Botond173
3d ago
To be fair, there are/were indeed a handful of rightist/alt-right hardliners who dismissed Kirk as a cuckservative Zionist shill and did/do advocate for political violence and spread hate; if it were any of them who got assassinated, this sort of leftist reasoning would at least have some legs to stand on. But in this case, it really doesn't.
Botond173
3d ago
I'm rather confident that there's virtually not one cyclist anywhere in the world who leaves the bike unlocked in any town or city with a known reputation for having bike thefts.
Botond173
3d ago
There are political parties advocating for cracking down on such violent men but curiously single young women are precisely the demographic least likely to support them.
Botond173
3d ago
I'm pretty sure the underclass is normally confrontational and loud everywhere it lives.
Botond173
4d ago
The liberal will look around and see endless amounts of people using rhetoric that is wholly inconsistent with their actions, especially over time, and be puzzled. How could these people just lie when we're all trying to solve the same problem?
What exactly are you referring to here please?
Botond173
4d ago
"Failing to defend their own"? I find that to be a rather bizarre interpretation. The SS and SA units were already active at that point so it's not like the party could conceivably be accused of failing to take preventive measures. Also, the only people whose political assassinations invited any cheering and jubilation in the Weimar Republic were the communists and the signatories of the Versailles "Treaty", as far as I know.
Botond173
5d ago
Assassinating Nazi activists or officials in 1928 would’ve most likely resulted in the following:
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Increased attention and sympathy for the Nazis on the part of more moderate nationalists who’d otherwise not have harbored such sentiments, at least not to a significant degree
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Increased overall hostility towards, or at least increased alienation from, whatever political force the assassins belonged to
Botond173
6d ago
willing to throw the constitution in the trash
What are you referring to please?
Botond173
9d ago
These two points can stand independent of each other, and several people explicitly said as much when the political motivations of Charlie Kirk's killer were more nebulous.
These may have been nebulous political motivations but were almost certainly still political. I'm sure that can hardly be said about Carson's killer.
Botond173
10d ago
Presumably a leftist similar in some way to Charlie Kirk has been killed at some point in the last ten years (and if not, is that an interesting datapoint in its own right?).
There indeed was such an intentional hit-and-run in Portland in 2019, although it was supposedly not politically motivated.
Botond173
10d ago
The big difference is that Carson's killing was not politically motivated at all, was it?
This is the type of thing that conservatives are trying to stop
I thought that was referring to the "lived in a bus in Berkeley, CA doing drugs in a polyamorous sex cult" part.
Would you care to provide some current examples? I don't quite understand how these are supposed to be different from scissor statements.
Botond173
13d ago
Wehraboos, in a nutshell, believe that the Germans had the best weapons, tactics and commanders in WW2, and only lost the war due to the numerical and material superiority of the Allies, who also committed just as many war crimes as them.
Botond173
14d ago
The three downward-pointing tilted arrows were the symbol of the German Iron Front which was, in fact, a republican and Social Democratic umbrella organization.
Botond173
15d ago
A world in which blacks are slowly shifted back towards exclusions and slavery, women back into the kitchen and domestic violence, and other minorities eradicated outright, and in which nothing good can be hoped for anymore, social progress is annihilated, and only caricatures of the darkest past are permitted as modes of life.
I don't quite understand why I'm supposed to consider that endgame to be worse than that of said violent leftists though.
Botond173
15d ago
OK, the British killed some people at Amritsar. That's what state killing looks like, shooting guns.
Just to nitpick: it wasn't British state policy though, not even in India. The massacre wasn't ordered or sanctioned from above. The troops had no orders to disperse the protestors with lethal force.
The fundamental cause was that the Indian economy wasn't very developed, people who had grain didn't want to sell it to starving people who had no money, the govt had little capacity to force them to do so and didn't try very hard.
On the other hand, the government very much had capacity to construct an inland customs barrier thousands of miles long in order to enforce the salt tax. Something doesn't add up. Also, wasn't it within the power of the government to buy up wheat and then distribute it to famine victims in order to prevent mass death? Provided they wanted a 'cordial win-win relationship' with their colonial subjects, that is?
Botond173
15d ago
Almost without exception violent leftists are broadly negative about the future, so that's not surprising.
Botond173
15d ago
I just went on Bluesky with a fresh new account and searched for Kirk and sorted by top and scrolled by around 30 posts before I found one saying the death of Charlie Kirk was wrong and it was still accompanied by "And Charlie Kirk was a horrible, hateful man who spent his life radicalizing young people to embrace their worst demons by targeting women, people of color, immigrants, and the marginalized."
I consider myself a dissident rightist harboring no illusions about this entire matter but I do sort of wonder – is there any school of thought that is not of the third/fourth wave lipstick feminist / liberal / ‘progressive’ variety that these posters would ever be willing to not categorize as horrible, hateful, radicalizing (whatever that word even means in their minds) and demonic?
Botond173
15d ago
Any policy option that is without drawbacks or tradeoffs is also merely symbolic and, quite literally, ineffective.
Botond173
16d ago
before reaching a measure of reconciliation
That's what happened with the abortion debate in your view?
Botond173
16d ago
Ostensibly, the parade was a commemoration of the 80th anniversary of the Allied victory in World War II. But Xi’s decision to invite the leaders of Russia, North Korea, and Iran, while snubbing the United States, Britain, and France, made clear that he is thinking more about future alliances than historic ones.
I think it's worth pointing out that the tradition of the Chinese communists officially celebrating the WW2 victory over Japan goes back to the long bygone days of...well, 2014 actually, if Wikipedia is to be believed. And the world leaders mentioned were only "snubbed" in the sense that apparently they've never attended any of these celebrations before anyway.
I know it’s controversial even here to refer to the homeless urban underclass as vermin or wild animals, but I can’t think of a better metaphor. Everyone who grew up in a major American metropolitan area knows that certain environments around the city are the natural habitat for a certain kind of predator.
It's not like Ukraine or Eastern Europe in general is radically different from North Carolina in that regard though.
Those are pretty much the most basic level of standards the Blue Tribe routinely expects of its opponents.
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