Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
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Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
5d ago
Dogs though, I'm not convinced at all are capable of evil. They either act according to their natural instincts, or they act how they've been trained.
I am intrigued - what do you think is the difference between humans and dogs, that you believe the “He’s a good boy he was just raised wrong” argument above doesn’t also apply to humans?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
5d ago
Yes. I would rather be whipped a few times than deprived a $10 million dollar bonus. Hedons ARE fungible. Maybe not perfectly fungible, but if you tell me there is no amount of money that would convince you to take one stroke of the lash then… I just won’t believe you.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
5d ago
“Not being a great dog trainer” is hardly grounds for vituperative opprobrium though, is it? Many people are not great dog trainers.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
5d ago
The dog has no capacity to understand the role of an "actor"
You think the dogs running on treadmills to turn spits in Victorian England “understood” how their motive power was being transferred through cogs and widgets to procure a homogeneous meat temperature so the Earl of Chelmsford could entertain his dinner guests with delicious roast? Come on, requiring that a dog understand its role in order for its work to be morally permissable is ludicrous.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
5d ago
because the dog has been bred for hundreds of thousands of years for subservience.
You are using the fact that the dog’s nature is to find serving humans agreeable, as an argument that the dog’s life serving humans is disagreeable?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
7d ago
Women making porn is disgusting and harms them, but the Left messaging on that is not ‘You’re pigs, we want to let you’ but ‘You are beautifully expressing your sexuality and simultaneously a victim of the patriarchy, men are disgusting and we want to destigmatise you’, which is the kind of double standard that men might noootice.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
19d ago
I have certainly seen it claimed that if the candidate had been anyone other than Harris, they wouldn’t have legally been able to access any of the funding that had already been secured for the BIDEN-HARRIS ticket, thereby essentially obligating her to stick it out.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1mo ago
I never listen to music as the thing I’m paying attention to, so while I have certainly re-listened to albums, I don’t consider listening and reading to be comparable in this regard.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1mo ago
If it helps you to perservere, Xenocide and Children of the Mind both are not quite so slow.
Also the mystery reveal as to why the piggies killed the guy is pretty kino.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1mo ago
Follow-up small scale question: what is the motivation for you (or indeed anyone) to read a book more than once?
I am a fairly voracious reader-for-pleasure but I have never had any desire to re-read any book ever in my life. It seems not just pointless but actively opportunity-costly because you could be reading a new book?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2mo ago
But the opposite, right? She is aware of her sexual value. So she doesn't squander it on a 19 year old. He has no money.
In reality, perhaps this is what’s happening. But I don’t think it’s what’s happening in the ephepophile’s fantasy, that causes him to be attracted to the 19 year old, no. Golddigging is an unattractive trait in a partner even if you are the beneficiary. One would prefer to think that the free-spirited young thing with few sexual hangups is exactly that, rather than secretly calculative.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2mo ago
As a man whose girlfriend is addicted to her phone, I’m telling you that it’s actually a blessing in disguise. She puts much fewer demands on my time than the non-addicts I’ve dated, because she is capable of entertaining herself rather than pestering me for validating attention every 10 seconds.
And it’s not as if I entered the dating pool in pursuit of riveting conversation in the first place.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
3mo ago
How do you think she'd react?
Her phone being nearly out of battery is an automatic “OK let’s go home now”. My phone being nearly out of battery (and me being unbothered about it) results in her looking at me nonplussed and asking me if I’m OK every 5 minutes.
So I don’t think it’d go down so well.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
3mo ago
I was going to answer OP’s question with a tinfoil-hat rant about screenwriters being hired out of crony/nepotism rather than talent, but your complaint about the audience rings true (too?).
Not me, of course, but yes, other people. Anecdote: I have a zoomer significant other. Last night, she suggested we watch an episode of The Bear, a show of which we have both watched and enjoyed the previous 3 seasons, and are now midway through season 4. The episodes are only 33 minutes long.
My idea of watching an episode of a TV show is: sit down and watch the show, giving it your full concentration. Her idea of watching an episode of a TV show is: be scrolling through Instagram constantly during all those 33 minutes, occasionally flicking her eyeballs to the TV during the 0.5 seconds in between reels.
And she’s the one who pays for the Disney+ subscription we’re watching it on. So… kind of a waste of money to make your show coherent when even your paying customers who proactively decide to watch the show don’t even actually process it into their brains.
N=1, but the only prostitute I’ve ever known in person was a friend of a friend who whored herself out essentially because she watched too much porn and Internet goon-brained herself into a female coomer. No economic privation or tragic backstory needed.
As four decades of Doomsday Argument arguments show, there are legitimate difficulties on inferring the shape of a distribution from a single sample, but there you go.
She didn’t hate men though, so this does not support the whole of the thesis.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
3mo ago
if you're gonna fight a war , uncoordinated vassal swarm is a bad tactic because the AI will get defeated in detail
Sic semper those-who-invest-in-the-Diplomatic-Ideas-group
I agree that, ceteris paribus, habitual risky-sex-havers more deserve to be denied abortions than “I used three different prophylactics but somehow they all failed at the same time” neurotics deserve it. But given that you can’t fractionally abort a baby like you can fractionally vary a fine or a prison sentence, there is alas no room for a sliding scale here.
As I said, it was devil’s advocacy. I agree that one should be required to reap what they’ve sown, and if she didn’t want a baby, she should have kept it in her pants.
In non-devils-advocacy, I think that the negative externalities of an unwanted child and a resentful mother are sufficiently bad for society that my desire to profit society exceeds my desire to force people to eat their just desserts, so on balance I come down grudgingly pro-choice in the end. And I wouldn’t prosecute doctor or mother for straight-up infanticide, let alone late-term abortion. The UK’s new legislation moves us closer to that.
I am reluctant to laud it though, because it’s pretty transparent that British lawmakers’ motivations are, as @Southkraut speculates, “Women can do no wrong”, which means we have good law (or at least lesser-evil law) for bad motives.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
3mo ago
I preface this by saying it is entirely devil’s advocacy, but it seems like this sort of legislation would be logically coherent under the ‘libertarian violinist’ pro-abortion argument. It’s the woman who is inconvenienced by having another person strapped to her circulatory system, so she has an excuse to get away with murder. No-one violated the NAP on the doctor, so he doesn’t have an excuse.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
3mo ago
First of all: It's fun
Came here to post this. Arguing online is entertaining. I possibly spent too much time in high school debate club as a teen
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
4mo ago
but the task is entirely artificial.
It is trained on the corpus of human text, most of which pertains to artificial problems rather than real problems. So AI should be better at the administrative-state stuff than the real stuff.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
4mo ago
If you've ever seen how the sausage gets made at a major company, jobs are very much withheld and created on more of an internal, political basis than any actual needs the companies have.
Well said.
I’m inclined to take the indictment of economic inefficiency even further, and point out that jobs at major companies are also created on an EXTERNAL political basis. As @hydroacetylene says, the government has a variety of incentives (which may or may not include his schizo one) to keep the (formal) employment rate high. While I am skeptical that LLM-based AI will ever get good (or at least reliable) enough to make mass unemployment a realistic possibility, even if we grant the hypothetical that it actually will, I fully expect the government to disrupt the disruption by just writing some legislation which obliges corps to employ human rubber-stampers (“supervisory oversight”) on AI processes, thereby neatly regenerating all the white-collar jobs which have been automated. Legal compliance hits startups just as much as it hits status quo inc.
???
What exactly is the instantiation of value that you think Elon Musk and Warren Buffet “produce”? Scrimshaw?
I am, I suppose, an Elon fanboy in the sense that to get to Mars I would ride with Satan himself, but he doesn’t produce anything; he is at best a Schelling point around which (as @SubstantialFrivolity describes below) an engineering Old Boy’s Network rotates, but if it wasn’t Elon it would have been somebody (anybody) else, to no material detriment to the Mars project.
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