Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
Disabled Alaskan Monarchist doomer
User ID: 2666
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
So, the smaller post-Reformation conflicts leading up to the Thirty Years War?
What about the many, many centuries before the Reformation? Europe wasn't exactly "tearing itself apart in holy wars" then, now was it? It still looks to me like Europe has spent a minority of the last couple millennia in "holy wars" — certainly not enough time to deserve the term "constantly."
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Would you be opposed to this in your city/town
Yes, because I live in Anchorage, Alaska; the length variation in the solar day across the year is just too big. It's also why DST is kind of pointless for us in the summer. For example, the official sunrise and sunset times (AKST) for Dec. 15 this year are 10:00 AM and 3:40 PM — If you work a 9-5 job, you don't see the sun. Go half a year to June 15, and with DST you've got dawn at 4:21 AM and sunset at 11:40 PM — without DST, these would be 3:21 AM and 10:40 PM.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Wouldn't the counter-argument be that, prior to the invention of liberalism, Europe was constantly tearing itself apart in holy wars?
Other than the Thirty Years War (1618-1648), what other "holy wars" do you have in mind, such that "Europe was constantly tearing itself apart"?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Till now I have not actually seen any lefties consider that maybe the unwashed normie masses had actually listened to what the left had been saying nonstop since 2016, and that the message was rejected on its own merits.
I have been seeing this in online circles — by people who consider anyone who understands and knowingly rejects the democrat party message is a Fascist in need of reeducation:
Maybe its the way i speak and act but like i dont think tumblr liberals realize that re education camps, or rehabilitation of you want a less scary word is like the least extreme way to deal with nazis, fascist and right wingers. As ive said before, if you cant reeducate fascists and right wingers then you have to get rid of them. Now there are many ways to get rid of facists and roght wingers but i would advocate for firing squad because if you let them live then they will become a problem again.
If you cant convince facists and right wingers to not be Fascists and right wingers, then you got to deal with them in other more permanant ways. Think on that.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Where do you think the word "Roma" came from?
From Sanskrit or a related Indo-Aryan language, possibly from an earlier Dravidian or Munda borrowing. From here:
From Romani roma, plural of rom (“man, husband, Romani man”). The latter probably comes from Sanskrit डोम्ब (ḍomba, “lower-caste person working as a wandering musician”), which may have been borrowed from a Dravidian language.[1] Folk etymology pointed to a legend that the ethnic group were an exiled people from Imperial times.
And from "Romani:"
From Romani romani, feminine form of romano (“of or pertaining to the Roma”), from rom (“man”). See also Roma.[1]
Not related to Romanian.
See also the related Domari and Lomavren languages, spoken by the Dom and Lom ethnic groups (the former "scattered across the Middle East and North Africa," and the latter in the Caucasus), with "Dom" and "Lom" both cognate to Romani "Rrom/Řom/Rom" (spelling systems vary) — it comes down to how the respective languages changed the Indo-Aryan retroflex stops.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Here, I find myself linking Wikipedia's page on "antitheatricality" and noting that it wasn't just the Romans, but a perennial bit of wisdom "as old as theater itself." And, while Wikipedia limits itself to the West, I recall periods of Chinese history with similar attitudes, as well as some interesting bits in the history of kabuki in Japan.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Not sure what's up with the bizarre censorship of God to make it look like a swear word.
This is, IME, a habit of many Jews, and also some varieties of Protestant Christians, in line with the "thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" commandment.
(And a quick check confirms that Benioff is indeed Jewish.)
But, in reply to your general point, I'd hold that this is all just "vibes," and vibes aren't terribly meaningful. I'll point primarily to Keith Edwards's "Delay, Leak, Disobey: How to Counter Trump 2.0 from Within," but also Yarvin's three pieces "It's easy from here," "It's not easy from here," and "Chevron and the professional Republicans," on why Trump's second term will not be much more successful than his first.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
If you want you can try Bostromian Simulation Argument big-tent syncretism
Even more ridiculous than classical theism, and more useless than classical Deism, which, IIRC, a number of 18-19th century thinkers pointed out was a sort of "gateway religion" to outright atheism (because a god who doesn't answer prayers might as well not exist).
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
If I imagine that I didn't know that a church is more responsive than the government
It would be more responsive for you, as someone returning to a childhood faith. But if you were an atheist who'd grown up atheist, would it still be "more responsive"?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
I hope I don't need to point out that this is a hard sell to anyone in the information age.
I'd say you do, actually. Are you familiar with Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions? Because what I'm describing is part of Sowell's "Tragic Vision," which he holds as defining the right, in contrast to the left's "Utopian Vision." And even now, 37 years after that book was published, there are still plenty of people who hold the Tragic Vision.
Capital_Room
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8mo ago
It's not everyone, but I get plenty of "you don't seem like the type" and incredulity.
And I'm saying I've never seen this, ever.
I'm not referring to any sort of legally required reasoning defense.
I didn't think you were. I'm saying that in my experience, there's absolutely no reason you'd ever need to even socially defend your gun ownership to anyone, and there's no need to ever be "a closeted gun owner," because here in Alaska, nobody is going to give you shit for owning a gun.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Sorry about that; trying to get Youtube links out of my browser history (Safari) can be a pain at times, with the way the queue ends up working. Hopefully fixed this time. Thanks for pointing it out.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
People facing up to the reality of what that means would look a lot more radical than people whining about whores on X. Historically speaking.
What sort of historical examples do you have in mind here?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
But we will never stop dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good.
Why not? Were people in the Middle Ages doing so? Or did they hold that
The rich man in his castle, The poor man at his gate, God made them, high or lowly, And ordered their estate.
And that the world is fallen, we are barred from Eden by the sin of Adam, the poor we will always have with us, and perfection will only be in the Kingdom to come?
People have always worked to make things a little better, but they accepted that some things are just facts of life, that cannot be changed, only endured. Only with the "Enlightenment" did the West really start trying to immanentize the eschaton.
Why can't we reverse this? Why can't we get back to people accepting that parts of life, including the government from time to time, are simply going to suck, and that's just how it will always be?
Much as with the medieval era, it seems like a total civilizational collapse back into barbarism and pre-industrial technology would probably do the trick, so why not something less extreme?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
What is it like to be a bat? Why unique to brains at all? What is it like to be a tree?
Impossible to know. We cannot ever know the experience of being any sort of thing other than our particular selves.
Connect two or more "conscious" information systems
The only known "conscious" information systems are human minds, and there's no real way to "connect" them — except imperfect channels like language — such as to form a "resulting system."
And none of this undermines materialism or points to the existence of any kind of higher power, nor any kind of afterlife.
Fact remains that there exists a coherent group of the online right that is more "woke" than it is "right"
Yes, but that's not who I see the "woke right"/"woke fascist" label being aimed at. Plus, as Parvini particularly pointed out in going over the Lindsay Triggernometry video, much of what Lindsay describes as "woke" is simply doing politics, and further, that several of the positions he criticizes the "woke right" for holding are ones that are supported by his own past writings (particularly the way modern academia crushes dissent).
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Is there anything stopping you from passably faking a Christian reawakening?
Well, first, it would need to be a "Christian awakening" that I'd need to fake, not a "reawakening."
But more directly, the same thing that kept me from passably faking being left-wing, no matter how much it might have improved various prospects in my life — being too much on the autism spectrum to believably fake feelings and conceal my true beliefs. That and integrity, like @KingOfTheBailey says.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
and the lower end of his strike zone is about 32 as of today.
Yeah, that's a big point I have to keep reiterating and try to get people to understand, whenever they come at me with the "you're a man, you're never biologically too old to become a father the way a woman ends up being" bit.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
You don't have the capacity for religious belief?
I am an atheist materialist. There is no God, no "soul," no afterlife; just spacetime, quantum fields, etc. And none of the apologetics I've read, nor religious people I've talked to, have ever convinced me otherwise. I'm saying I'm not capable of perceiving the universe in any other way.
Kind of rules out any religion I've ever heard of, no?
Your purpose is to fix this. Are you sure there's nothing else you could be doing to improve your standing with regards to these problems?
This is something I've gone over in this forum plenty of times, and I'm sure the regulars are all pretty tired of it.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
US governments offer a pretty good safety net to anyone who is willing and capable of (a) accurately filling lots of forms, (b) letting go of all of one's earthly possessions, and (c) waiting up to several years if necessary.
As someone on said safety net, can confirm.
My atheism in particular, and my non-belonging-to-a-church in general, are luxuries indicative of a life lacking in severe shocks.
Perhaps, but you are also "fortunate" here in having a church to "return" to. Imagine growing up irreligious, with parents who don't attend a church of any kind. Would "church first, then government safety net" still be your ordering in seeking help?
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Let me second @FiveHourMarathon's "WTF" here. It might just be the local culture, but I've never known anyone* who had to "defend their reasoning for having a gun," to a friend, or anyone else. And I know plenty of gun owners. My dad and middle brother pretty much have an arsenal between them. Until about a year ago, the bulk of said brother's job was selling guns (as the manager of the hunting department at the local outlet of a "big box" sporting goods store chain) — I suppose that makes him an "asshole" in your view?
Though, again, I live in Alaska. We've got grizzlies, we've got moose, and we've got a rather more gun-friendly culture than the more urban, populous states. Anyone who would make a friend justify their reasoning for gun ownership almost certainly doesn't have any Alaskan friends, and would probably be quite unhappy living here.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
But suppose you’re a kid of middling talent. Well, basically, 99% of team sports are closed off to you. Sorry champ, too bad you’re not super talented. And the predictable result of this is… either you’re a stand out superstar player of your chosen sport, or you might as well quit. Did they stop desiring to play baseball, or is it so insanely difficult for kids to make the team that they end up playing baseball on their Xbox One instead of with friends outdoors. And then you end up with the twin crises of obesity (because only the top 10% of kids actually get to play any team sports) and loneliness (because team sports turns out to be an easy way for boys to make friends) and can’t quite understand why.
I read this paragraph, and immediately the analogy to online dating (which, AIUI, has increasingly taken over dating as a whole) comes to mind.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
Something the Catholics get right is that young men are told, basically: you have two options for a job as a man. 1) You can be a priest (a spiritual father), or 2) you can be a husband and a father.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here, unsuited for one and unable to become the other.
There's an idea that life is suffering, and the only way to endure that suffering is to find a meaning to makes it worthwhile.
Agreed. Now try finding that meaning when you're a 43-year-old unemployed man who's never managed to go on a date and lacks the capacity for religious belief.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
8mo ago
I think you'd also like Chris Arnade's Dignity, so let me recommend it here once again.
AIUI, this is the characteristic of disinformation. From dictionary.com "“Misinformation” vs. “Disinformation”: Get Informed On The Difference":
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My personal favorite in this area, though, is "malinformation."
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