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Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
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Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
· Edited 4mo ago
I doubt that there is a 'Jewish Conspiracy', but if it exists, its motive is probably something along the lines of 'not being murdered or driven from their homes.'
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
Mauritius closing the airspace over the the Chagos Islands
🇬🇧: You and what army Air Force?
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
Was Huckleberry Finn equipped to make that call, or should he have sent Hard-R Jim back into bondage?
Ultimately he has to follow his conviction, as we all do.
And my conviction is that trans-women are women in every way that matters outside the bedroom and the doctor's office, that if the mind and body disagree on whether someone is werman or woman it is better to bring the body in line with the mind rather than vice versa, that if two people engage in coitus the morality or immorality of their act does not depend on their genders, and that parents of teenagers developing same-gender attractions or children with genital dysphoria do not have an inalienable entitlement to force or gaslight them into a heteronormative mould.
"God will decide for me whether I survive this flood."
"I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
Probably my fault but I'm not grasping the relevance.
Human actions, including those that appear to go against nature, might be part of God's plan. For instance, Eliot Page being born with female parts doesn't necessarily mean that He intended Mr Page to live as a woman; His plan might very well involve hormones and surgery.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
be the hammer not the anvil
Ackchyually, the hammer tends to break first.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
I do favour providing aid to the Global South because I believe that it is the right thing to do, and wish everyone else supported it for the same reason.
However, as many people here do not share that moral instinct, I am left only to appeal to their self-interest.
The fact that they point in the same direction is not a coincidence but the working of karma. If you harden your hearts towards the suffering of the least fortunate among you, it will come back to bite you in the rear end.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
If the United States tells the people of the Global South "We have the ability to save you from a painful death, but we are choosing not to For The Greater Good", the survivors will be fertile soil for Usama bin-Ladin 2.0 or some other radical cultists. They will be much more sympathetic to the Peking Clique, if and when they decide to demand something Washington is unwilling to concede. No fortress you can build will be strong enough to keep them out, when, like Belshazzar, you are numbered, weighed, and divided.
The cost of indefinitely providing medical care to people who cannot care for themselves may seem steep, but it is trivial compared to the cost of not doing so.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
I will concede that the Khmer Rouge were at least as evil as the Nazis, if not worse. (Given certain proposals of the more extreme Greens [the term 'Khmer Vert' has been mentioned among certain climate dissidents], this puts Elongated Muskrat's disputed gesture in a different light.)
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
I would just like to make the point at this time that Lenin, Stalin, and Mao had power over larger populations than Hitler.
Stalin and Mao also ruled for longer.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
If Adrian Monk were a country....
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Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
the board was ten times more likely to take action in a case alleging unlicensed practice than one complaining about service quality or safety
Probably a case of the Streetlight Effect; determining whether John Doe installed an alarm system and whether he had a licence to do so takes less effort than determining whether he, being licenced, had installed it properly.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
But it might, at least, make the arguments from each side less aggravating....
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
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Okay, fine; there is no answer that involves making the current population smarter.
I still think that that is a bit premature. It is far from certain that we will not find a way to increase g post-birth.
(Whenever I read a story with the plot 'character tries to overcome natural limitation, first attempt fails or has very bad effect, no further attempt is shown' (e. g. Flowers for Algernon, Hawthorne's Dr. Heidegger's Experiment), my interpretation isn't 'one should resign oneself to what Nature wants us to suffer' so much as 'they should have tried again, and kept trying until they or someone else figured out how to make it work.' (cf. Edison, "I didn't fail, I discovered 10,000 ways not to make a light bulb!"))
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
assuming raising taxes is unacceptable
And do you know what happens when you assume?
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
And Asians seem to mostly have views on other non-white groups that make storefront look tolerant.
Colemak keyboard?
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
· Edited 3mo ago
As a related aside - are charges of racism pretty much dead now? Feels like calling Trump a fascist nazi for all of the last 10 years only for him to be re elected by even a higher majority = nobody really cares what leftists think about who is racist anymore, at least in America.
You'd think they would have learned from what happened after Fox "News" spent the better part of two decades calling everyone and everything left of Reaganism-Thatcherism 'communist'....
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
I knew someone who made the same point about the Muslim community center two blocks from the World Trade Center site (the one people were calling the 'Ground Zero Mosque'). "Exactly how far away would it need to be before you agree that it is unreasonable to object?"
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
· Edited 4mo ago
most people aren't really equipped to make that call
Was Huckleberry Finn equipped to make that call, or should he have sent Hard-R Jim back into bondage?
What about "God gave us the firewood, but expects us to light the match"?
Example?
"God will decide for me whether I survive this flood."
"I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
The sin I was referring to is the sin of regarding a human being as having merely instrumental, rather than terminal, value.
Sometimes people make choices that are straightforwardly destructive to themselves and others. Sometimes these choices can't be un-made.
That doesn't change the fact that they are still human beings.
not all people can be saved from themselves or their demons.
Doesn't excuse us from doing our damnedest.
Not everyone who is suffering deserves better. Some people's suffering is the direct consequence of their own bad decisions.
The former does not follow from the latter; what is natural is not necessarily just, and it is entirely possible for a decision to have consequences which are not deserved.
For many centuries, suffering from cholera was the direct consequence of the decision to live in a city; then we built sewer systems.
This presumes that the poor are actually going to be fed, and that it actually costs 10% of their wealth to do it. What I observe is that vastly more than 10% is taken, and that a large percentage of it is either pocketed by the takers or wasted on absurdities.
There is certainly a conversation to be had about the effectiveness of our attempts to help people; however, I was addressing the arguments against even trying.
I also observe that the poor around me are not starving, not by a very wide margin
As a society grows materially wealthier, the standard of living it is obligated to provide to the least of its members also increases.
In a society several orders of magnitude wealthier than today's OECD nations, people might very well be entitled to things which cannot be bought today at any price.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
I don't really care if you hate gay furries. Frankly, they have an easy out of not engaging in homosexual activity and not buying fursuits or going to furry conventions.
I think that proves too much; consider
I don't really care if you hate Catholics. Frankly, they have an easy out of taking the soup and becoming Protestant.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
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A functional, formalized, rule-based society requires writing some people off. Every society that has ever existed or will ever exist does this. The only question is who those people will be.
They enslave their children's children who make compromise with sin.
Losing sight of this tends to devolve down to "property-rights-in-theory", at best, and then everyone is worse off.
The value to a society of rights to property lie not in how expansive they are, but in how consistent they are.
Imagine a village with 100 rich people, each of whom makes one-tenth what it would cost to feed the poor of their village/the neighbouring village.
There is a difference between telling all 100 "We need 10% of your wealth" versus letting ninety of them keep everything they have 'earned' while telling the other ten "We're taking everything you have because we don't like your face/you married the woman I fancied/your business competes with mine/you told everyone about the skeletons in our closet/&c., &c., &c."
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
I happen to believe that leaving someone to starve or die of malaria while someone else can afford a yacht that launches a smaller yacht is evil; requiring people to contribute part of their wealth to the common good isn't evil.
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
But there's no sense crying over every mistake
Celestial-body-NOS
Why should Man not rebel against Nature, when Nature herself is in rebellion against Justice?
4mo ago
the obvious objection that this creates a loop
An eye for an eye, leaves the whole world blind.
Not at all. I believe everyone is entitled to my opinion.
It's not about the majority's minds, per se, so much as their manners: what Tim Walz described as:
There are physical differences between the sexes; we can change some of them, but have yet to discover how to change others; measuring and sorting along these physical attributes can sometimes place trans individuals in the category opposite their identity. However, these physical attributes should not be relevant outside a narrow set of circumstances.
They are the most obvious instances where someone's genitals might matter.
WRT bedrooms, I again refer to Mr Walz' Golden Rule. If I am not, personally, dating someone, than the difference between their being attracted to/not attracted to 'people born with female/male/ambiguous parts', 'people identifying as women/men/non-binary', and 'people who look feminine/masculine/androgynous' is very low on the list of my concerns.
WRT the field of medicine, my recommendation is to Replace The Symbol With The Substance. If Alice:
&c., &c., list that on her medical chart. Asking if she is 'really' a man or a woman is, at that point, superfluous. (Cf. "A Human's Guide to Words", E. Yudkowsky, February 2008)
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