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10hr ago
But modern conditions allow a country like France to have a more elaborate approach to succession, such as The Rotating Triple Crown.
In that particular example, that would also solve the dispute between the Legitimists, Orleanists, and Bonapartists....
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18hr ago
Just today I was reading some theory about how groups run/composed by nerds sucked at excluding people (even if they really were causing a net drain of energy/enjoyment/efficiency) because nerds got excluded for giving the ick and so refrain from doing it to others... looks like these leftists have similar issue.
So... they're doing unto others as they would have others do unto them?
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18hr ago
The problem of course with dictatorships is dictator selection, with the first one usually being a charismatic psychopath and successors being his failsons or geriatric party cadre members.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried." -Churchill
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1d ago
20 minutes by car, or by horse?
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9d ago
He's worried about the same things you are: Israel, secularization, sexual debauchery, consumerism, the plight of the Ummah.
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9d ago
...their holy river has suffers from "severe contamination, primarily caused by billions of liters of untreated sewage, industrial runoff, agricultural chemicals".
...which might bear a nanogram of relevance if nothing like that had ever happened in the United States....
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9d ago
Modern medicine cannot cure everything.
...yet. (Growth mindset!)
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13d ago
And sometimes it's ten times worse!
And wretches hang, that jurymen may dine!
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17d ago
Calling things you don't like was ok, then it wasn't and now it's back.
I think you may have accidentally a word....
Well I was referring to assaults which wouldn't have happened had the victim been normal.
Yes. That is called a hate crime. Such crimes are considered particularly heinous because they, in addition to the harm inflicted on the direct victim, also act as a terroristic threat to other members of the targeted group: "Know your place, or this will happen to you!".
pulling the same shit they always do
And is that something that harms anyone, or rises to the level of harassment? Or is it just 'existing in a way that wasn't part of what I learned when I was little'?
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24d ago
“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” --Ralph Waldo Emerson
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29d ago
In any case, I was talking about civil rights era changes to speech and obscenity jurisprudence, not race.
The ideals of 1776 were, for a long time, treated as having an unwritten exception: "This doesn't apply to people we don't like." The long overdue reforms of the Civil-Rights Era said "No, this applies to everybody. Yes, even those people, or else, they mean, NOTHING!."
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29d ago
Do you think this sounds even remotely credible?
Sadly, I find it very credible. I wish to G-d it were not!
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29d ago
...you treat Civil Rights era jurisprudence and standards as if they were the only way to view the constitution and the only way the country can be correctly or properly governed, despite such changes being only about half a century old. The country, with largely the same constitution, was governed radically differently before the 60s and 70s....
It was governed, as described by Mark Rosenfelder, such that:
- In 1951, a black family headed by Harvey Clark, a WW2 veteran and a university graduate, rented an apartment in Cicero, Illinois— a couple miles southeast of here, in fact. He was hassled and beat up by police officers as he tried to move in. He successfully sued to keep the police from preventing the move. Then came the three-day riot, in which 4000 whites mobbed his apartment building, threw stones, destroyed the family's possessions, and finally set fire to the building. Clark himself most regretted the destruction of his piano, which he had bought for his daughter by working overtime.
- Or there's the case of Malcolm Little. While his mother was still pregnant with him, Klansmen surrounded their house and broke all the windows. His father and three of his uncles were killed by white men, one by a lynch mob. His home in Nebraska was burned by another mob. Malcolm's early childhood was hard, but he did very well in high school— he got top grades and was elected class president. One of his teachers asked him what he might do for a career. Malcolm answered that he thought he might like to be a lawyer. The teacher smiled and told him “A lawyer— that's no realistic goal for a n████r.” He suggested carpentry. Not surprisingly, Malcolm decided that the white man's world was a conspiracy to prevent black progress, enforced with smiles at the top and terrorism at the bottom. Under those circumstances, why not turn to crime? He did, but later he got religion and changed his name to X.
- August Wilson tells a story about his mother. There was a trivia contest on the radio, in the '50s, where the prize was a new washing machine— something she sorely needed. She knew the answer, called in, and won the prize. But when they learned that she was black, they wouldn't give it to her. They proposed giving her a gift certificate to the Salvation Army instead; she could get a used machine there.
- Or Commissioner Bull Connor in Birmingham, who used attack dogs and fire hoses against peaceful demonstrators led by pastor Martin Luther King Jr (1963). King was a Christian minister, and advocated non-violence and even non-resistance to violent provocation; four years later, he was murdered. During the Birmingham campaign, the 16th Street Baptist Church was bombed, killing four teenage girls. The Klansman who did it was found not guilty, though he was fined for possession of dynamite without a permit.
- Clyde Ross grew up in Mississippi, where the law was unavailable to blacks, and whites simply stole any black wealth they wanted. (Ross had a horse when he was ten. White men took it from him.) Ross moved his family to Chicago in 1947, where he could vote and get a house. Regular mortgages weren't given to blacks; instead an operator got him a contract house— where the householder was responsible for all upkeep, but could lose the house if he missed a single payment. It was federal policy to deny ordinary mortgages to blacks.
- James Zwerg, a white divinity student, was one of the Freedom Riders who in 1961 rode segregated buses and refused to sit in the back of the bus. They were met by a mob in Montgomery; Zwerg was held against the wall by a group of men while men punched him and women clawed his face. Some women held up their toddlers so the little ones could attack him too.
- Fannie Lou Hamer was a black woman who dared to register to vote. She was thrown off the plantation where she lived; when she stayed with a friend she was shot at; her house was assessed a $9000 water bill though it had no running water; she was arrested, beaten savagely, and sexually molested in jail.
- Nichelle Nichols was once kicked out of a hotel in Salt Lake City, where she had a reservation, for being black. She couldn't find another hotel, either— she found a family to stay with. When she was working on Star Trek, the guard at one gate in the studio lot wouldn't let her in, for being black. It's really really low to mess with Lt. Uhura.
Multiply by 23 million.
Liberals think this is no way to treat people.
But it goes way beyond that. Some researchers claim that liberals aren't motivated by feeling of moral disgust, but I disagree. Liberals think incidents like these are disgusting. Racism is viscerally wrong, it's unacceptable, and it needs to stop.
Putting an end to such horrors may have nth-order effects that some of us don't like, but they are vastly less bad than the status quo (which had long since lost its status).
"...not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
There is certainly a lot of behaviour on the basis of which we could use more discrimination, as long as the behaviours discriminated against aren't cherry-picked to be those more common among people of colour while ignoring equally-harmful conduct disproportionally seen in white people (or vice versa), and as long as a white person and a person of colour are met with the same consequences for the same malfeasance....
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