Celestial-body-NOS
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Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
14hr ago
I am referring to both the Golan Heights and the continued expansion of the Yellow line.
Both of which are outside of pre-1967 Israeli territory; the Green Line being the border of such with the West Bank and Gaza. Admittedly this doesn't address the Golan Heights; I apologise if I was less than clear.
a single-state solution with full democracy
As such a state would likely soon have an Arab population greater than its Jewish population, and as many of the Palestinian Arabs object to Jews existing as equals, I would judge a 'one-state solution' as being approximately as prudent as siting Doreen's Nursery next to Ed's Dingo Farm.
along with some denazification efforts/war-crime prosecutions
Of Hamas, right? (Padme, her face concerned!)
condemnations of wars of aggression for lebensraum that mysteriously pass over Israel
Do you know of any organisations condemning Israeli actions in Gaza/the West Bank/the Golan Heights who also explicitly reject Palestinian claims on pre-1967 Israeli territory? Such an organisation would have more credibility than one that equivocates whether, when they refer to 'occupied Palestine', they mean to include Tel Aviv, and has discovered no degree of anti-Semitism sufficient to draw a reaction of "You can't sit with us!".
it isn't wars of aggression that you're objecting to but some secret other motive
It's not secret; I believe everyone is entitled to my opinion. I would prefer that no clay be taken by force of arms; however, if that option is unavailable, and one side or the other must gain from the conflict, I would prefer that the side gaining territory be the side that was minding its own damn business.
If Alicestan is invaded by Bobesia,
Borders return to status quo ante > Alicestan takes land from Bobesia >>> Bobesia takes land from Alicestan.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
22hr ago
Anti-'Israel-expanding-beyond-the-Green-Line' or anti-'Israel-existing-at-all'?
If those favouring a two-state solution were to tell those advocating an Arab-Palestine-from-the-river-to-the-sea, like the gay rights movement told the pedophiles, "You can't sit with us!", I would regard them with more sympathy.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
1d ago
Thirty days hath September/April, June, and November/All the rest have thirty-one/Except Januarifebruary, which has seventy-eight.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
1d ago
The acceptable false positive rate you're really looking for is the number of people who were accosted by ICE but weren't detained.
That would be closer to analogosity, but I don't think it quite reaches; someone hassled but not detained by ICE still has it worse, because of the implication.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
1d ago
I'd like to make it clear that I don't endorse this idea.
Thank you for that clarification.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
2d ago
Why do you figure they would not consider encouraging more wars of territorial expansion in their interest?
Because the damage from such conflicts tends to outweigh the value of the territory gained; thus everyone involved is less able to afford to buy goods from, and produce goods for sale to, everywhere else. A world in which countries regularly start wars over territory is one in which everyone is worse off.
but there at least doesn't seem to be a direct threat from it to anyone else in the EU
Twenty years ago, there didn't seem to be a threat to anyone else from Russia.
Fifty years ago, there didn't seem to be a threat to anyone else from Iran.
A century ago, no one thought China would be of any geopolitical significance.
If wars of territorial aggression become normalised, it is far from certain that the grandchildren of the current leadership will not regard their neighbours with envious eyes, and slowly and surely draw their plans against one another.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
2d ago
I still don't quite understand which parts of the European leadership genuinely consider Ukraine a core interest of theirs
Well, it's not so much Ukraine per se, but rather not encouraging more wars of territorial expansion.
That depends on whether you those implementing such a system are asking "How much can we afford to guarantee everyone as a minimum?" or "How little can we get away with guaranteeing everyone as a minimum?".
If they are asking the former, and increasing it as society produces more and automation advances, such that people can expect that the minimum 20-30 years from now will be less unpleasant, there might be statistically-significantly more than a snowball's chance in hell of it working.
If they are asking the latter, they will signal that you would let people starve to death if they thought they could get away with it, and it will not end well for them.
For this was the sin of thy sister Sodom: pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness were in her and her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. --Ezekiel 16:49
The men of Sodom had abundant creature comforts, with little toil, for themselves; but refused to share those benefits with their neighbours.
The mills of G-d grind slow, but they grind exceeding small.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
4d ago
Why are the Jews trying to burn down and steal Patagonia in Argentina?
I strongly doubt that they are. However, let's suppose, as a thought experiment, that the claims given are correct.
The Jews tried to live in Europe. The people living in Europe did not agree to let them live there.
They tried to move to America. The people there let some of them in, but refused many others, and asserted the right to decide whether to allow them.
They moved to the Levant. The people living there started three wars, lost them, and have waged guerilla warfare ever since, attempting to drive them out. The Western chattering classes have expressed sympathy with the guerillas, calling for them to control 'from the river to the sea' and advocating 'globalising the intifada', thus implying that they do not consent to Jews living anywhere.
Therefore, if there is no location whose chattering-class-recognised population is willing to allow the Jewish people the unconditional right to live there, then the only possibility is for the Jewish people to establish a home for themselves against the wishes of the current inhabitants.
Where exactly would you have that be? Where should the Jewish people have the right to live, even if the people living there don't want them there, given that that condition also potentially applies to anywhere else?
Because after the World Wars, we realised that industrial warfare was increasingly destructive and needed to be stopped. Undoing all previous land seizures would involve untangling a colossal rats'-nest of claims and counter-claims, many of which left few if any records; thus we drew a line in the sand at 1945: going forward, no nation would be allowed to take land from another by force of arms.
This left the question of European colonies, one of which was the British territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The United Nations passed a resolution dividing the territory into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationalised Jerusalem. The Jews were willing to accept this proposal; the Arabs rejected it, started a war intended to drive the Jews into the sea, and failed. (Had the Arabs accepted the proposal, there would be a Palestinian state consisting of the Gaza Strip extended northward along the coast to Ashdod and southward along the Egyptian border halfway to the Gulf of Aqaba, an expanded West Bank surrounding Jerusalem and connecting to Gaza at a quadripoint, an area on the northern coast and Lebanese border extending to Acre and Nazareth and connecting to the West Bank at a quadripoint, and an exclave at Jaffa. They would also have a slight majority of the land area north of the 31st parallel, south of which is the Negev desert.)
So your proposal would involve both sides receiving remedial 'things they should have learned in kindergarten' lessons? You are at least more reasonable than the Ideology Which Refuses To Be Named....
Because they didn't start the war.
If someone gains territory in a war that they started, that incentivises further aggression. If someone loses territory in a war that they started, however....
Unfortunately, it also leaves the Jewish people, with their long history of persecutions and expulsions, a minority in every state in the world, and thus making their survival (at least in the age of modern passport and immigration controls) dependent on whether the Nations are feeling generous that day; the example of the MS St Louis makes that a non-starter.
If other countries were to open their borders, a one-state solution might become feasible.
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