ControlsFreak
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ControlsFreak
4d ago
Keep digging, bud. TBH, I haven't seen this level of bad faith aside from the likes of Darwin/SecureSignals. It's a truly bad look for a mod.
ControlsFreak
4d ago
You have now explicitly denied what you have said in the past, and for which there are clear links. Anyone can just click the link and see that you contradicted yourself. It takes not even a modicum of effort.
You have absolutely no argument that anything of mine is irrational or incoherent. At least nothing other than ipse dixit. It is simply comparing your words to your words. If there is any irrationality or incoherence, it is your own.
ControlsFreak
4d ago
I have not denied anything I've said in the past
Right, you do the "upper lip curl, go silent" strategy when it is clear that you have contradicted yourself. Contradicting yourself is an implicit denial of what you've said in the past. That you avoid explicit acknowledgement of your contradiction and denial is hardly a redeeming virtue.
ControlsFreak
4d ago
Taking no position on whether it's a good or a bad thing, it occurs to me that you seem to have re-derived qualified immunity.
ControlsFreak
5d ago
It's not very natural to evaluate a single 'effectiveness' of a supposed monolithic thing when, by your own statement, it's not a single monolithic thing. It's very diverse. Unless one is willing to draw boundaries and say, like you kind of do, that a bunch of people aren't "real Christians", then, well, anyone can pretty much just make their own "I'm A Christian" Flag. That significantly complicates the analysis.
For example, if one is willing to draw boundaries, then one has to consider what measure of 'effectiveness' is going to be used for "real Christians"? One person might think that they can conclude that "real Christians" have been ineffective even just in that they have not been able to prevent "fake Christians" from making their own "I'm a Christian" Flags. I imagine others would disagree that that's a proper measure of effectiveness, and they would prefer other measures. There's just not a natural measure to use.
Fair, and at risk of saying not much, I'd say that it's, uh, complicated. For example, I have good friends who were born and raised Canadian citizens and who later acquired US citizenship, too.1 For several of them, (not brushing with any broader of a brush), they're basically understood to be (and would describe themselves as) "Canadian, but also with US citizenship". Are they "American"? Uh... kinda yeah? Also maybe kinda no? If you just asked them if they were "American", I think they'd say, "I'm Canadian, but I have US citizenship." Does that matter? I don't particularly take a position either way.
Different individuals among them may have different senses of it, too. Some, for example, really are effectively Canadian at heart. One guy I know discovered that one of his ancestors also had US citizenship, and found that the paperwork to go the route of attaining citizenship that way was easier for him than going through spousal immigration in order to move here with his wife.2 If it had been just as easy to do it the other way, would he have bothered? I don't know; it's a counterfactual, and lots of things can come into play over time. But he might have been perfectly happy being "Canadian citizen and US Permanent Resident" indefinitely. Does this matter? I don't know. I can vaguely see both sides.
For what it's worth, my best Puerto Rican friend would say, "I'm Puerto Rican, and oh by the way, we have American citizenship." Does that matter? Hell, I don't know.
You're obviously right that the only non-squishy way to draw lines is via citizenship, but my observation is that a lot of folks view the real world as inherently squishy.
1 - I also know at least one guy born/raised in the US. He and his wife moved to Canada for work for several years. He got Canadian citizenship, she didn't. They would explicitly say that the reason he got Canadian citizenship was just because it made dealing with a certain Canadian law regarding his line of work easier. They've lived back in the US for quite a few years now. I don't think either of them would say they're "Canadian". If you just asked them, they'd probably say that he was "American", full stop. If you went on to ask him about his time in Canada, he'd add, "...and yeah, I did get Canadian citizenship."
2 - For this particular couple, they actually moved to Canada first when they got married; she went through whatever process to be able to move up there and be married to him. I don't know if she acquired Canadian citizenship at any point. Later, when they decided they wanted to live in the US (for a particular work reason), they discovered this business about his ancestor. Where they're living and what citizenship he has is just sort of an incidental and paperwork thing to them.
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