ControlsFreak
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ControlsFreak
16hr ago
Were those a requirement of the funding agency?
Yes. And the funding agencies were (and maybe still are) routinely including this stuff. Maybe the government ones aren't now, but they will again as soon as a Democrat is in charge. There's no way to keep that from happening without dismantling the system entirely.
Then the "system" that you're referring to dismantling entirely here is the government, right? Right?
Most of the ones I've read were fed to me... by people outraged at their being canceled because there was clearly no DEI in there. But there was.
"Most of the ones". I'm trying to parse this. If you've only seen one, and it was 1/1, then that would be more of an "all" than a "most". If you've seen two, and it was 1/2, I'm not sure that's "most" rather than "half"; if it was 2/2, probably we're back to "all". Maybe you've seen three, and it was 2/3? Were these two fed to you by someone else filtering and pointing you specifically to those two folks complaining about being canceled, at which point you read the proposals and saw that there was, in fact, DEI in them? How'd you come across the third? What was it like?
ControlsFreak
1d ago
Were those a requirement of the funding agency? I'm pretty sure the last time we did this, people got hung up on a telescope or something in South America that threw in, "Maybe some $nonwhite$ locals will, like, tour our facility and get interested in science or something," just to try to placate the gov't. I was pretty happy placing that blame entirely on the gov't, as I doubt the proposal writers cared other than to put something in there to satisfy the gov't requirement.
But I also doubt you've seen "enough". Can you count them on one hand? Were they fed to you by a selection process that was specifically picking the problematic ones, or was it something of a random sample? I'm sure there are other academics who were happy to do it or even wanted to do it more, but let's get some info on your sample. Have you read any that were primarily just about engineering/math? Or did you just get some cherry picked ones?
ControlsFreak
1d ago
The grants are politically or ideologically written, peer review is largely logrolling, papers are nonsense (Replication Crisis).
How many engineering/math grant proposals or papers have you read? Peer review is broken, though.
ControlsFreak
1d ago
Yeah, I know a guy who makes and sells mini (micro?) jet engines in his garage. TBF, he has nice fabrication machines in his garage, but still. I'd have to confirm how much thrust they actually produce, but production at that level of sophistication is probably sufficient for something that needs to take one attack drone on one trip, without significant efficiency concerns, and a reasonable failure rate is acceptable.
You missed answering the second part. What is "most"? What is the denominator? Can you count them on one hand? I hate to do it, but if you persist in avoiding the question, I probably have to assume that you've only ever read one, and that one was probably cherry-picked to make you angry rather than thinking rationally.
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