DaseindustriesLtd
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DaseindustriesLtd
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4hr ago
Well you could just not try shorting oil futures in the first place, that's a pretty zany strategy. In fact, American oil/LNG companies stand to gain BIGLY from all this. Russia is banned, Iran is being destroyed, Qatar is already 20% down for the next 3-5 years, the Strait is closed. Your commodity exports are going to the moon.
I mean. They could voluntarily reform themselves into a peace-loving liberal democracy
These are human beings with moral agency and rational minds. In principle there should be nothing stopping them from just ceasing to be an oppressive warmongering theocracy, and then, miraculously, the rest of the world would stop trying to blow them up.
Haha. Holy shit man, get off your high horse. Could you, in principle, reform yourself into a sensible person? This is just laughably tone-deaf in 2026. It's not "the rest of the world" – you don't represent the world, this won't even work as a polite fiction, "the world" is overwhelmingly against this lunacy, and not because the world likes Ayatollahs. You're on the side of a clearly fascist nation committing genocide in the name of a crude ethnosupremacist theological doctrine, you endorse the second tier version of that doctrine due to being too low IQ to understand Christianity without sectarian perversions, you're ruled by millenarian fanatics worse than Shia Muslims. You openly and proudly commit perfidy, you bullshit all the time, and you're boasting of how these interventions are not even designed to create peace-loving liberal democracies but to, like, appropriate muh oil. Your democratically elected representatives are worse than their authoritarians. I'm quite serious, we can just take a glance at "them" and see that Iranian leaders you're murdering look and talk like normal white Europeans from a developed nation, while yours, authorizing those strikes – Hegseth, Trump – are barely human but instead some degenerated swine from a Fromsoft game (and unsurprisingly detest Europe and revel in harming and humiliating it directly and indirectly). There's a limit to how much you can avert your eyes from the nature of your society and people. Or is there?
Then again, I realize that talking to Americans is as pointless as talking to demons from Frieren, you're only responsive to kinetic and financial arguments at this stage.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13hr ago
I'm curious as to what is driving this
The impossibility of negotiations with the US and Israel. It doesn't really matter if Iranians have coherent command or not, even a midwitted officer can independently realize the payoff matrix here. Israelis will keep killing their leadership because the official Israeli objective is regime collapse or at least degrading Iran to the condition where it can be gradually collapsed with "mowing the lawn" tactics. American negotiators (Kushner, Witkoff) are now known to be a) incompetent and b) represent Israel first, so any possible ceasefire agreements will be immediately exploited to kill Iranians with more freedom of action, like the US has done to Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq after a recent ceasefire agreement.
They don't have moves that improve their situation left, sans imposing costs on the global and regional economy and hoping to provoke a strategically unsound concession via international pressure on the US&Israel, to genuinely win time and reestablish deterrence. It's a pretty absurd bet, especially seeing as neither Israel nor the US are directly harmed by the closure of Hormuz Strait and consider giving Iranians room to develop nukes (or even maintain a ballistic missile program) unacceptable. It's also arguably backfiring with GCC countries (though this is largely irrelevant as they have little offensive capability beyond hosting American forces and allowing the use of their airspace, which they've been doing anyway).
DaseindustriesLtd
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5d ago
I notice that Americans have an extremely delusional and entitled ideas about what happened over Greenland and how "The Western Civilization" (though they sometimes deny this label to Europe, with arguments far more ridiculous than mine) has seen it. It has seen it as a completely credible hostility. You are a hostile alien civilization, understood? Probably not.
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Sounds like Agamemnon
Agamemnon is literally a Bronze Age brute that precedes even the height of Greek civilization, to say nothing of the West proper. Kind of says it all. There are millenia, tens of generations of divergent selection, schisms and continents between you and what white people have been building towards.
DaseindustriesLtd
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5d ago
What of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.?
No, those are Western nations.
Trump isn't Israeli, his family is German and Scottish, his grandfather built the family fortune running a saloon in Gold Rush Yukon Canada. That's just what New Yorkers are like.
New Yorkers aren't Western, indeed. They are spiritually Middle Eastern/African. Jung didn't mean ancestry (he makes it clear his argument sidesteps actual miscegenation) and neither do I. Trump isn't Western nor even white, sorry, this is just obvious.
I don't think Western Civilization has some special claim to inhibited behavior and a disdain for bling.
It very much does, it's one of the more obvious WEIRD traits. Culture of dignity, meritocracy, deferred gratification etc. Bourdieu called that Habitus. Trump-Loomer-Levin belong to the breed of people who shout Allahu Akbar before exploding, even if their religion is different.
What about you talking about? Western Civilization is now against "weird theologically motivated wars"? -- since when?
Approximately since the Peace of Westphalia. It's evolved and secularized a fair bit since the Crusades; and even those had nothing to do with your "Judeo-Christian Civilization", but rather with the opposite.
You should also stop believing every news article you read about how the Americans are doing this to bring about the end world or whatever, that's almost a disqualifying level of credulity, by the way.)
Do you understand that I consider your attempts to sanity-wash your culture as an entirely disqualifying level of gaslighting? I don't need news articles, I can make my own conclusions from what your savage tribal champions utter.
Seeing as I'm not interested in getting gaslit, there's no point to debate this. You're a self-interested tribalist and so you feel entitled to European gratitude irrespective of the balance of payment or current behavior. Well, until they establish military deterrence against your aggression, this is rational behavior.
DaseindustriesLtd
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5d ago
Is the argument here that Jews are not part of Western Civilization?
Israel is obviously not part of the Western civilization, it's an older and completely distinct tradition, and as the demographic share of secular Ashkenazim in Israel is reduced, so the authentic Israeli culture comes more to the fore. And the American doctrine of Judeo-Christianity is laughably stupid retconning. Levin is an hysterical Israeli Firster who's shedding his assimilation, if it ever existed. Just look at how the guy posts.
But even before this recent obsession with Israel, many Europeans had remarked that the US is culturally not a white or Western society, though they differed in specifics. Consider Jung:
“The emotional way an American expresses himself, especially the way he laughs, can best be studied in the illustrated supplements of the American papers: the inimitable Teddy Roosevelt laugh is found in its primordial form in the American Negro. The peculiar walk with loose joints, or the swinging of the hips so frequently observed in Americans, also comes from the Negro. American music draws its main inspiration from the Negro, and so does the dance. The expression of religious feeling, the revival meetings, the Holy Rollers and other abnormalities are strongly influenced by the Negro, and the famous American naïveté, in its charming as well as its more unpleasant form,,,,” … “… for a wide-awake person, the primitive contents may often prove to be a source of renewal. The American unconscious is highly interesting, because it contains more varied elements and has a higher tension, owing to the melting-pot and the transplantation to a primitive soil, which caused a break in the traditional background of the Europeans who became Americans. On the other hand, Americans are in a way more highly civilized than Europeans, and on the other hand their wellspring of life energy reaches greater depths. The American unconscious contains an immense number of possibilities.”[34]
Hopefully you can notice this in your own manner.
Trump praised Mark Levin on social media
It's not so much that he praised him, it's that it was a weird hagiography one could expect from a Muslim or Jewish person, prompted by a personal request for backup in a petty online spat. And generally Trump is very clearly a representative of Middle Eastern culture, what with his extended family nepotism, corruption, bling, low-inhibition behavior, and yes, Israeli ties. To an extent that he represents America, being a legitimately elected populist president, this just means America is not part of Western civilization either.
Now I advance the argument that Bestern Civilization is better than the Third world, and better than Iran, so I support our moral claims against theirs etc. etc. etc. etc.
Fair enough. It's just that, not being your kin, the Western Civilization doesn't owe you shit. Worse, you're engaged in zero sum competition against it, trying to annex its lands, steal its markets, offload consequences of your tribal conflicts on it, rope it into your weird theologically motivated wars etc etc. You're not providing enough value to justify further tolerance of this behavior from an alien society.
DaseindustriesLtd
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6d ago
Western Civilization is better than the Third World and America is better than Iran
But is the United States part of the Western Civilization? To me it looks like you're some mix of Middle Eastern (at the top) and South American (at the bottom) culture. Is Laura Loomer and Mark Levin, your two spiritual pillars as we now learn, "Western Civilization"? No, they're hysterical Levantines. Consider whom you've chosen as your representatives for a bona fide "Western Civilization" society, France: Charles Kushner. What is Charles famous for? Among all else, for hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother in law, for purposes of blackmail/retaliation. How did that play out long term? Kushner's son in your "administration" got the prosecutor Chris Christie fired from Trump team, claiming that Christie should've let the rabbis handle the matter. This is a primitive, clannish, theocratic society.
Sure, you have some trappings of the West, true (like "Senate", "Capitol hill" etc), you have "elections" to reinforce the legitimacy of this primitive system. But it's like Arabs when they were translating Aristotle. Stewardship of alien ideas. You also have advanced Western technology. But is that "Civilization"? Is China «Western Civilization» too, then?
And your notion of the Western Civilization is impoverished, it's just «Judaism with some shit on top». Nothing about the Greco-Roman world or Renaissance, science and rational thought. At this point, you are about as far from the West per se as Iran is.
DaseindustriesLtd
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9d ago
To be clear this is capeshit. China does not depend on Iranian oil (it just exploits the sanctions-driven discount) and in fact keeps getting Iranian oil even now. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan depend enormously on the oil from the Strait of Hormuz and unlike China have NO domestic fossil fuel production; this all can turn out tragic for them. Accordingly Chinese indexes are stable and other East Asians are in shit. And removing THAAD launchers from Korea to reinforce the Middle East underscores how little attention has been given to the Chinese angle in this conflict.
Trying to frame this obviously Israeli war as part of some 4D chess strategy to "police" China is cope. Israel is not at war with China, therefore neither is the US. Indeed, Trump is even calling on PLAN to assist in reopening the Strait.
DaseindustriesLtd
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10d ago
The worst crime of the Gulf Arabs is their gullibility. They invested in those vanity projects (The Line being its ultimate symbol), basically redistributing the oil windfall back to the West. This is deserving of much mockery.
But on the merits, they've exceeded every standard I could expect from them. They maintain stable, rich nations. They are trying. They are buying world class AI experts hoping to get some high value-add economy going, building datacenters, constructing attractive (not to you yeah, I get it) cities on worthless patches of the desert, despite negligible culture of sophisticated urban life. Their royalty has some real assabiyah and is concerned about its legitimacy among the native masses – more so than the elites of the West. This time they are doing it without the cheat code of Persians carrying their intellectual jobs. I respect all people who struggle against the odds. It would be quite sad if they failed.
Low human capital is unaesthetic. Ethics has an aesthetic dimension as well. What is the point of your tedious nitpicking? Are you too goybrained at this point to get what I call aesthetics here?
DaseindustriesLtd
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12d ago
and like Dase I know you love sneering at Westerners, and Americans especially, as hard as we will allow, under the cope of speaking from a delusional sense of superiority
You deserve so much more, with your obscene sense of entitlement to boomered-out superficiality.
But for the record, I not only believe that Americans are civilized, but that they're distinct enough to merit classification as a civilization unto itself, separate from the Western one, more dynamic, with greater passionarity. Some don't like it, well too bad for them.
Maybe we can talk of Amero-Israeli civilization, or just Israeli civilization, in the vein of Hebraic Conservatism with offshoots – a very mainstream and respectable idea in America, despite it looking like insane sectarian gibberish to most Westerners! But I'd still say those, for now, constitute two distinct successful non-Western civilizations.
DaseindustriesLtd
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12d ago
-Iran was being actively bombed before this horrible catastrophe occurred
when? What was bombed? 8 months ago, two remote nuclear sites with precision bunker busters from B-2s?
Children are educated on military bases throughout the world. Iran was not living in a condition of war before you perfidiously started bombing them. They submitted a pretty good deal to Kushner and Witkoff, who refused, by all accounts because they're at once illiterate and bloodthirsty, as befits the upper caste of the Trumpian society.
This is all pointless mimicry of being a person, going through the motions of an argument. I don't even think you're being disingenuous. That's require more self-awareness.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13d ago
Why not do some victim blaming though - first putting a school next to military base is stupid
This is standard practice, the US has 160 such schools.
Accordingly it is predictable that there are schools on foreign military bases too .
Also Iranians were negotiating in good faith, this happened in the first hours of the war, because you're incapable of good faith, and demands for evacuation are quite disingenuous. How were they to know you're committed to not just attack while negotiating, but to destroying the country and not another Midnight Hammer type surgical strike on nuclear facilities?
All these excuses are slop, as is the tryhard cynicism. I guess the only possible rebuttal you'd be able to recognize is military defeat.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13d ago
It is the merits, or rather the lack thereof. He is much more concerned with aesthetics than me, only his aesthetics is that of a manchild, an inept, swaggering butcher given big toys that go kaboom, who can't think through such contingencies because his balls are too big for sissy things like minimizing civilian deaths. He can't even react to the news adequately.
My issue is not the death toll but the low-IQ fetishization of lethality as such. The purpose of a military force is to achieve the strategic objectives, not kill more people (not even kill more hostiles). Carelessly killing civilian children is not advancing the primary objectives (to the extent that Trump's USA even has coherent objectives in this Special Military Operation after the Plan A failed); it hardens and legitimizes the regime. Sure, you can kill more and more, you've got bombs and air supremacy and shit, and perhaps in some very Israeli mindset this even makes sense because their fanatical resistance gives you an excuse to whittle down Iran's long-term demographic and economic perspectives rather than get their capitulation and maybe deal with revanchism some other way later. But in a normal human war it does not make sense; it's a straightforward, avoidable negative EV event which he made drastically more likely by gutting the relevant department, for AESTHETICS of LETHALITY and being BASED. I don't know how to make this more obvious. Hegseth is low human capital and so is much of the rest of Trump's cabinet.
And if a war with an actual power comes, he'll slaughter you just the same, with the same swagger. Russians have had these psycho tough boy commanders for centuries. It didn't make us better at war, it's third world shithole default. You've had some too, but almost all of your great generals and commanders were nothing like this.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13d ago
So Hegseth gutted the unit that would have wound up with the wokest people in the military. This is why I voted for.
I guess that's the fitting conclusion to the Culture War MAGA arc. Just like "nazi" became "everyone to the right of my AIDS-positive trans activist HR manager", "woke" now means "anyone with higher moral standards than Genghis Khan – like a small unit in a bloated imperial military that tries to reduce collateral damage by fucking checking whether a building marked 10 years ago as barracks is clearly something else now". I mean, a Tomahawk already costs like $2.5M, how much would this red tape add, given the third worldist level of American corruption? Certainly more than the cumulative utility or net worth of 170 brown children, and it's not like the parents could sue (seeing as they're IRGC, you've killed them earlier). Persians aren't quite brown, but that doesn't matter, American category of race has always been a social construct, after all.
Shoe, foot, who/whom, torturer and tortured, master and nigger, Jew and Amalek – that's all there is to American political discourse, when the disparity of power is sufficiently high. You lot were right about the leftists, and the leftists were… uh, all along correct about the right. I should've been more charitable.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13d ago
The 2021-2024 option might have sounded more professional, at least when he showed up to work
Well yeah, this is about culture. I am not appalled by the civilian death toll, 170 is rather low for a major operation as far as these things go. Pete offends me aesthetically.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13d ago
7.4 million views and 34k likes by the way.
In a somewhat pitiful way, that makes me think better of Americans. They really really don't want to be the kind of people who murder children, and cling to any flimsy "proof" to the contrary.
Russians had similar denialism around Buk vs Boeing, around Bucha, and later in the war when we've destroyed a bunch of grotesquely innocent civilian facilities in Ukraine. Now there's more indifference.
The best moment in this cope story, imo:
As an Iranian who grew up in that country and knows this regime from the inside, I can tell you they are capable of this. The most important question here is the timing. Why did this happen at the very beginning of the war—just 45 minutes after Iran started launching missiles? Why wasn’t there a single similar incident in the following 10 days?
Diasporoids are funny, man.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13d ago
the school had previously been part of the military base until it was repurposed, and an AI apparently mistook the old target list for an up-to-date one
I don't take the "AI mistook" argument very seriously (although given that they reportedly switched from Claude 4.5/4.6 to GPT 4.1… oh God). The DOW claims they scrutinize targets, there's human in the loop.
The major reason for my suspicion of intentionality was the clause «and the US has demonstrated immense competence in target selection». I actually think highly of the American military, always thought highly of them on priors, and they've been absolutely showboating all over Iranians these last 10 (11?) days. But now that I know Hegseth had gutted the office that's entrusted with avoiding such accidents, it doesn't matter if it originally was AI or human error. There's just not been enough attention to prevent this.
DaseindustriesLtd
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13d ago
A tiny note on the war
In the previous thread, I got some pushback for suggesting that not only did the US strike the Iranian school in Minab, killing 170 children or something like that, but perhaps it did so intentionally (or at least without remorse for the possible consequences of erroneous targeting). I admit that wasn't fully sincere. I realize that, even morals aside, there is no perceived military value in bombing children, at least not for the US (I do think Israelis may target children of IRGC officers out of their usual Bronze Age blood feud sentiment, Oct 7, Gaza and all, seen enough of their remarks to this effect; but then again they don't operate Tomahawks).
Well now the question on it having been an American strike appears settled. As for the intent – it's not so straightforward:
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has gutted the Pentagon oversight offices that would have investigated the recent strike on an Iranian girls’ school — a move that has degraded America’s ability to protect civilians amid its largest air campaign in decades.
The Pentagon chief last year slashed offices that didn’t contribute to his goal of “lethality,” including the group that assists in limiting risk to civilians, known as the Civilian Protection Center of Excellence. Around 200 employees who worked on the issue, including at that office, have been reduced by about 90 percent, according to two current and former officials and a person familiar with the effort. The team that handles civilian casualties at Central Command, which oversees the Middle East, has dropped from 10 to one.
Hegseth can’t close the offices because they are approved by Congress. But he has managed to make them nearly inoperable, according to the people, as the Pentagon investigates its responsibility in what could be the worst U.S.-led killing of civilians since 2003. Iranian state media said the strike killed about 170 children and 14 teachers.
“The fact that our secretary of Defense, that our Central Command commander, cannot actually tell us whether or not they dropped a bomb in this location, that is so unbelievably unacceptable,” said Wes Bryant, the Pentagon’s former chief of civilian harm assessments until last year. “It just points even more to recklessness in this, in the entire planning and execution of this campaign, the fact that they don’t have any idea.”
Does it matter if there was no intent if the United States, as of now, also has a revealed preference to not bother with minimizing such risks, in favor of «lethality» and some zany Judeo-Christian nationalism courtesy the power-tripping macho TV host Pete Hegseth? I believe it does, but marginally; about as much as those girls matter to Lethal Pete. I rest my case.
More to the point. It's remarkable that there's so little discussion of contemporary historical events on here. I won't criticize anyone, be the change you want etc.; but what we are seeing is pretty astonishing from the culture war standpoint. Could someone like Pete be imaginable as the Secretary of War – no, Defense – in 2023? 2019, even? 2016? It looks as if the politically dominant culture of the United States changed overnight. Does everyone just like it too much to find the change worth commenting on?
DaseindustriesLtd
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16d ago
Iran claiming such a strike falsely, or using it on themselves
Enough of this nonsense, please. Ukrainians don't bomb their own schools, Russians don't bomb their own pipelines, neither do Iranians or Israelis strike themselves, false flag is the standard excuse. I'll give you that local Arabs may have been involved but I don't see why they'd escalate in this specific manner (inviting symmetrical retaliation that's way way worse for them because they demand more on desalinated water, it can get literally existential). And on the other hand, the US-Israeli axis is clearly enjoying the carnage, have you listened to Hegseth recently? Why should I give him any benefit of the doubt? This guy is a fanatic, a drunkard and a low IQ butcher, he belongs in an asylum. Presumably the chain of command is similar.
That seems much more likely to me than a coordinated decision to strike a children's school.
Children's school or training grounds for IRGC Khameneijugend? But yes, maybe they thought it's something else. Probably they decided to err on the side of caution (ie not allowing IRGC adjacent facilities to survive).
DaseindustriesLtd
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16d ago
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The evidence is mainly lack of any reason to think to the contrary and Trump's bizarre whataboutist reaction to the question.
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I find that likely, though a little surprising (I doubted the intentionality just yesterday, but it being a double tap and the new actions on Tehran…). Tomahawks are very good and precise missiles (CEP like 10 meters) and the US has demonstrated immense competence in target selection.
DaseindustriesLtd
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16d ago
This stuff reminds me painfully of Russian justifications for continuing our own, original Special Military Operation (funny how nobody bothers to declare wars anymore, by the way). «Yeah maybe it was a bad call but now that we're there, gotta finish what we started, else Ukrainians will just rearm, get NATO nukes, and then… anyway, shut up traitor». This is all born out of a belief in impunity, which at least in the Russian case was clearly delusional. Anyway if it's treason to "defang the war effort", then certainly it's a legitimate big boy war for the nation's vital interests, why not declare it as such?
But at that point you have overt politicking putting American, Israeli, Middle Eastern lives (and maybe everyone else?) at risk because you want to slightly increase the chance you can spend two years repeatedly impeaching Trump.
I think that's kind of treasonous? Maybe not the executing kind, but definitely the "holy shit what are you doing kind."
Well, what are you doing? What are you, even?
YOU are bombing a civilian population, unleashing toxic rain on them, destroying their desalination facilities, generally committing war crimes and crimes against humanity while your "president" gloats with all the wit of a stunted 8 year old sadist. It seems that even the attack on that girls' school was deliberate, and it's likely you double-tapped, and your "president" is lying about it. By the way, IRGC children went to that school, so maybe it's just routine Amalek beheading. Israel is brutalizing civilians, in Iran and in Lebanon and in the West Bank, because it's a brutish expansionist Middle Eastern theocracy populated by savage people with a Mongol tier unreconstructed bronze age religion built around breeding, conquest and ethnic narcissism, and is not some wholesome chungus bulwark of the Western Civilization; for all the eloquent vile snark our resident UMC Jews can use to shut down this obvious conclusion based on their own words (thank G-d we have AI translate now) and actions. Your own state religion, expressed by Trump, Hegseth, Graham and other profound thinkers, amounts to sadism and serving Israel in terrorizing its enemies and furthering the subjugation of the entire Middle East. From the external point of view, you're moral equals to the regime of Ayatollah at best. Given that even I agree culling IRGC upper ranks was morally justified, it's a very legitimate question if a nation like yours deserves to exist. Accordingly, many American nationals who are not spiritual Middle Easterners and have some sort of affinity for Western civilization would prefer it to be some other kind of nation. It's a debate about the fate of your nation and your people, not "treason", to oppose this bullshit and try to obstruct it.
DaseindustriesLtd
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16d ago
Oil supply is elastic. Gulf Arabs are not operating at 100% capacity, nor are many other providers. It very likely will be on the order of $40B.
DaseindustriesLtd
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16d ago
I am saying that it will be easy, yes. $40B is not a lot for China, a price hike is priced in.
Well yes, that's prudent to smooth out the shock, but in the longer term the US is entrenching its position as a fossil fuel producer and exporter.
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