DiscourseMagnus
10d ago
...do you generally believe that an earthmover, and not its human operator, deserves credit for moving a rock?
DiscourseMagnus
11d ago
Moreover, it seems to me that the more normal and routine it is for people who are old or near death, the more careless and sloppy the institutions get, and the more iffy cases you get proportionally. If Canada keeps running their MAID program indefinitely, I'd expect to see feature creep get worse and worse.
DiscourseMagnus
12d ago
I find the "Zendaya is ugly" thing easier to understand
Well I don't! I have literally never watched a movie or show featuring Zendaya, but pretty much every time I see her in the media in passing, I think something to the effect of "wow, she's remarkably attractive even accounting for her social role that selects rigorously for attractiveness". And she's not all that close to my type, either! She's just clearly a very well-optimized something.
DiscourseMagnus
12d ago
Yeah, this is a pretty recognizable pattern of behavior. From experience, I'm pretty sure that a lot of girls think of it as fun, but they perceive - perhaps correctly, given the response you're getting, although I don't think that response is fully trustworthy, some real protesting-too-much going on - that it's unattractive, so you mostly only see it in homosocial contexts, girls hanging out with other girls, goofing around, and not directly thinking about attracting men. I saw a lot of this kind of thing growing up, attending dance and drama programs that were ~95% female. Maybe that's part of why it can be attractive, because it's classic countersignaling - it's how girls actually act when they're excited and in a good mood and whether anyone is into them is just not on their mind.
DiscourseMagnus
13d ago
Perhaps I overinterpreted:
For 8k years of human civilization a man wearing women clothing got stoned to death. That’s normal.
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Still a lot more universal than pro-trans people like to believe. A lot of the cultures they like to portray as having a concept of "trans" or "third gender" didn't, and they're just reinterpreting them through their values.
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DiscourseMagnus
14d ago
A lot of the cultures they like to portray as having a concept of "trans" or "third gender" didn't, and they're just reinterpreting them through their values.
The progs are reinterpreting those foreign/ancient culture through their own values, yes, but so are you. Those ancient foreign cultures were sexually degenerate; they were not exemplars of traditionalist Abrahamic sexual ethics, they were the thing that traditionalist Abrahamic sexual ethics defined itself against. I think the progs' "they had a third gender!" read of the situation is, though entirely incorrect about right and wrong, still closer to the truth than your "the entire world stoned these people to death until just now". There's nothing new under the sun. Modernity did not invent rampant culturally promoted sexual degeneracy.
DiscourseMagnus
18d ago
This description looks absurd to me, because a solid majority of what I hear about Ryan Gosling is women swooning over him as an easily-top-1% looker. Maika Monroe and Jodie Foster are both quite attractive but I wouldn't expect Ryan Gosling to be their looksmatch (to use a term I find mildly offputting).
DiscourseMagnus
20d ago
Speaking as someone in the environment I'm pretty sure the term "Karens" came from (retail), they tend to think they're enforcing an old or legacy consensus, but that consensus is essentially hallucinatory; the social fabric is in tatters and they all have fragmented personal ideas of how things are supposed to be.
DiscourseMagnus
22d ago
No, there were definitely people criticizing Twilight on a moral panic level and not just a cringe level. Fifty Shades Of Grey, too. These strains of commentary were still notably muted, though, and likely fading out.
DiscourseMagnus
22d ago
I just don't feel like it constitutes evidence that my posts are unclear that your first guess as to what I meant was 100% correct.
DiscourseMagnus
22d ago
You asked me to clarify that I said the thing I just said? That sounds more like you found it upsetting and outside the Overton Window than confusing.
DiscourseMagnus
22d ago
I think my meaning was perfectly clear. You don't seem to have been confused by it.
DiscourseMagnus
22d ago
Yes, that's what I was saying.
DiscourseMagnus
24d ago
You might think that the pro-trans SJWs lack the credentials to be proper man-hating feminists for various valid reasons, but they are nonetheless overwhelmingly the center of gravity of political actors who conceive of themselves as proper man-hating feminists today.
DiscourseMagnus
24d ago
SJWs generally train in a style of rhetoric that relies on bullying people and presenting yourself as Locally Normal And High Status, which looks ludicrous when it isn’t.
DiscourseMagnus
24d ago
I'm not pointing to an ideological contradiction, I'm saying that they’re the overlap of groups that barely overlap.
DiscourseMagnus
24d ago
I'm all for sticking to weird unpopular principles; the problem here is that the principles are incoherent and the rhetorical stance is an appeal to popularity.
DiscourseMagnus
24d ago
This is further emphasized when you notice how low-functioning people who are simultaneously hardcore Zionists and hardcore SJWs tend to be, as they're often socially oblivious enough to have wandered without noticing into a set of beliefs that's extremely unpopular in both circles of the Venn diagram it's in. Sort of a similar pathology to true TERFs, that is, those who are simultaneously hardcore feminists and hardcore anti-trans.
I believe you intended to respond to chooky a comment down?
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