DiscourseMagnus
7hr ago
Or in the same sense that Muslims are Christians, no?
DiscourseMagnus
1d ago
...the metric system? Really? Are you sure? I grew up on a lot of anti-metric-system propaganda but it was all just about it being smug Euro garbage that infringed on American pride and so on. And on the other hand I've heard a lot of interesting (conspiracy) theories on what the mark of the beast might be but none of them remotely resembled the metric system. That's unusually stupid.
DiscourseMagnus
7d ago
It won't be.
DiscourseMagnus
7d ago
I mean, I'd like to see the evidence, too, but I think the elephant in the room here is that the autism crisis is primarily memetically driven - both in that more functional autism behaviors can be turned into more dysfunctional autism behaviors by a more memetically hostile modern environment (the nonsexual equivalent of the "guy who wants to fuck toasters" thing), and in that the category of autism (and particularly a spectrum of autism) is itself a hostile meme propagated by psychopaths to pathologize their natural enemies.
Compare and contrast transgender.
DiscourseMagnus
8d ago
I'm starting to develop some sympathy for this view of the Reformation. But what do you make of the Schism?
DiscourseMagnus
10d ago
I'm not going to submit my aunt or my cousin to that CharliesMurders website
It's down anyway. Pretty sure it's been down now longer than it was up.
DiscourseMagnus
10d ago
Well, good to know, I guess, that when leftists get mad at people proposing hypotheticals like "would you say the n-word to prevent an asteroid from hitting the Earth and killing all life", they aren't mad because they think the hypothetical is contrived, they're mad because they legitimately deontologically believe that they should leave that particular trolley lever alone.
DiscourseMagnus
10d ago
Okay, that's actually a pretty valuable data point as I had in fact heard of her and was aware of her significance.
DiscourseMagnus
10d ago
The Manson murders were in 1969, and were rather infamously celebrated by portions of the far left at the time.
...I have never heard of this, assuming that by "portions of the far left at the time" you mean any appreciable number of people and not the Lizardman constant.
DiscourseMagnus
11d ago
I've seen generally right-wing churchgoing Republican boomers habitually watching these things before, but I wouldn't characterize them as Hanania-esque so much as WALL-E background characters. They aren't watching the leftist slop because they want to temper their media diets with some leftist perspective, they're watching it because they're addicted to slop in general. It goes along with Marvel and Funko Pops and the like for them.
DiscourseMagnus
12d ago
This has got to be one of the starkest and most pathetic instances I've ever seen of the "pseudocomedian political commentator shielded from scrutiny on the basis of their supposed comedian status" complex.
DiscourseMagnus
12d ago
So are you picking a strategy to deal with "the machine the progressive left has built", or the humans it has as parts?
DiscourseMagnus
13d ago
It's a noticeable difference, yes, but particularly troublingly I think that in cases like this there's a lot of grey area between the two. Very scissory, or as Adams would say "two movies one screen", in that for many offensive comments someone left-wing will say it isn't condoning the act of murder while someone right-wing will say it is, and I don't think either of them are lying per se.
DiscourseMagnus
14d ago
The premise of scissor statements assumes, usually incorrectly, that the battle lines weren't already drawn before the scissor statement revealed them. Duck calls are more shibboleths deployed in an ongoing conflict, taunts that only the enemy can hear, taunts that will tempt them to cross the battle lines and say "alright, listen here, mister". Most supposed dogwhistles are at best duck calls, as they're supposedly hidden right-wing messages that mostly left-wingers care about. "It’s okay to be white" is a classic duck call of a more honorable type, as is the okay sign, or going back further, something like Black Lives Matter.
Here's a recent example of the dishonest kind of duck call. A lot of the "evidence" getting passed around that Kirk's assassin was a Groyper is very silly if you're familiar with anything being discussed. To properly refute it, though, you need to demonstrate some familarity with Groypers, and this won't make you more persuasive to people who want to believe it; it'll simply give them occasion to sneer at you for being familiar with the topic of discussion. The original example I saw referred to as a duck call was actually directly parallel to this but with the opposite political valence.
DiscourseMagnus
14d ago
I've seen a different type of inverse dog whistle proposed before, one with some distinct similarities to this but also distinct differences. It was a "duck call", a meme intended to seem innocuous to your in-group but to provoke your out-group to reveal and beclown themselves. A rather pernicious type of duck call is a knowingly false argument that your in-group is much less likely to know or care is false; this type of duck call is also a loyalty test, in that it dares people who are otherwise on your side but are aware of your "mistake" to defy you.
One was FTM.
EDIT: Missed the context; no, that one wasn't from the last month.
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
Oh, right, apparently the best evidence yet found of life on Mars, per NASA. No actual confirmation for another few years probably, but still, that's something.
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
Blew my mind recently to learn that Nepalese monarchy was ended by a mass shooting in 2001, by the 29-year-old crown prince, culminating in his own suicide. Assuming that you trust the official account, of course; it is pretty poorly documented. But it's just so weird. It's like if instead of marrying Kate, Prince William snapped and shot up Buckingham Palace, a short time after Columbine, and that was just where history recorded the British crown ending.
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
I remember when "video games are a public health crisis causing depraved Columbine-style violence and need to be regulated with harsh censorship policies" was a serious and common political belief close to implementing itself in the halls of power. By now this belief has been either thankfully abandoned or cooled down to the apolitical not-being-acted-upon groundwater level. It only seems to be brought up these days to lazily deflect from gun control proposals, and I say that as someone staunchly opposed to gun control myself; I just think it's foolish to rob the first amendment to pay for the second.
Come to think of it, over my lifetime I think I've seen the social roles of the beliefs "video games cause violence" and "vaccines cause autism" invert.
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
Overstretching the metaphor, perhaps, but maybe there's a single pool and they're being pulled from another end of it?
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
While I find the "kink" framing distasteful and obfuscatory, there were definitely pagan cultures that celebrated royal incest for its own sake, most notably the Egyptians.
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
...is "killed by an illegal immigrant" meant to mirror "killed by a gun" here?
DiscourseMagnus
16d ago
Ah, I'd mentally filed away the latter as an unrelated case because it was an FTM and most of the concern is about MTFs.
DiscourseMagnus
16d ago
I'm only aware of one such case (the very recent one); could you name them both, please? I remember multiple cases where it was suspected the shooter was trans-identifying but it turned out to be bad early intel.
...huh. I didn't realize until this link that I would really want his take on recent events.
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