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Novel or “novel”?
Novel in the context of trans violence.
I'm not American. I was bringing it up to illustrate a point about how it's possible to make a statement which is technically true, and yet which any reasonable person would consider lying, using an example most people are familiar with. If you think I brought it up just to attack a President who's been out of office for a quarter-century – I mean, maybe read the actual article first?
I don't think it is delusional as such - I just think it's mistaken.
What's the difference? A delusion is a false belief.
The article also alleges that people have been told, in effect, "go to this hospital on this date and there will be a heart waiting for you", which is the kind of specificity that implies people are being executed.
This article from 2020 claims that China conducts in excess of 60,000 organ transplants a year, including for vital organs like hearts. Given that this is vastly in excess of the number of people on the voluntary transplant list, and the number of people killed in traffic accidents or executed in conventional prisons isn't sufficient to meet demand, it logically follows that China must be killing, at the minimum, thousands of Uyghurs every year in order to harvest their organs.
Hmm. Opinions about trans issues in particular?
Many people share my views in private (which are much more liberal than FtttG, for example)
Are you saying people are more liberal than me, or your views are more liberal than mine?
Uyghur genocide
Plenty of Uyghurs have been intentionally murdered by the CCP.
I want people who are indifferent, not allies who go out of their way to make me feel “accepted”.
That's fair. I sincerely apologise if I came off as hostile or defensive.
A few months ago, as an exercise to familiarise myself with my new guitar, I recorded an arrangement of a piece of modern classical music with my brother. I finally finished mixing it over the weekend, and I think it's the best mix I've ever done.
Now to start working on the new album.
Friday is the deadline for the competition I want to submit my novel to, so I'm making my final edits.
Well, I do donate 10% of my post-tax income to charity, I have done for years, and none of that money has ever gone towards e.g. a think tank trying to combat the intrusion of gender ideology into schools. To the extent that this is my hobby horse, all I mean is that I sometimes discuss it on a pseudonymous internet forum and on my blog. Frankly, I think I have my priorities in order.
I certainly don't think I could be accused of taking on this hobby horse because it's "trendy". If anything I'd say it has more to do with my reflexive contrarian streak. I've been a "well actually" devil's advocate gadfly type for as long as I can remember.
But also, I personally want people to be less interested in trans issues
Why?
Where's @ymeskhout when you need him.
it’s hard for me to understand why if you don’t have a personal link to it.
I mean, sure, but lots of people get intensely emotionally invested in issues that have zero practical impact on their lives. I'd hazard a guess that an outright majority of Westerners attending pro-Palestine marches in the last two and a half years have never met a Palestinian or an Israeli, much less been to the region. In absolute terms, gender ideology has a minimal impact on my life, but it has a far greater impact on my life than the death of George Floyd had on any given Irish person, which didn't stop hundreds if not thousands of Irish people attending BLM protests at the height of Covid.
I've long felt that "why do you care about this, it doesn't even affect you" is a textbook Russell conjugation. Caring about the people affected by an issue, even if it doesn't affect me personally? I thought we used to call that "empathy".
IIRC, men have a higher rate of being victims of violence than trans women?
Not sure about violence, but a per capita analysis shows that cis American men are more likely to be murdered that trans-identifying American males.
Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" in a court.
Maybe he said that in a court as well, but he also said it in a press conference. He was under no obligation to repeat the knowingly misleading answer he made in court outside of the courthouse.
To the best of my knowledge, the defense has never been used successfully in the manner trans activists claim (that is, a person is being tried for murder, admits they killed the victim, but uses the trans panic defense and thereby secures an acquittal) – at the very least, not in a Western country. The Wikipedia article lists the states that have banned using it as a defense, but doesn't specify whether anyone had ever tried it in the states in question, and only lists four examples of people trying to use it in murder trials (which took place in Massachusetts, California, Colorado and New York).
How did transgender issues become your hobby horse?
There are a range of answers I could give to this question, some very flattering to me and my worldview, some much less so. The answer that feels most honest is that I have this thing where, when I see people proudly, confidently asserting things I know to be false (especially in a calculating, emotionally manipulative way), I feel this compulsion to push back and say no, that's not true, and I can prove it. Covid brought out the same compulsion in me. Basically this comic.
Another part of it is a sort of Emperor's new clothes/"are you seeing this shit?" effect, where something stands out to me plain as day, but it feels like everyone around me is tiptoeing around it and trying not to Notice™ or draw attention to it.
As a trans woman, I don’t avoid the men’s room because of the risk of violence, but to avoid unnecessary attention and disruption when I’m in a public place.
I commend your honesty.
I am a little confused as to how this fits into your argument.
Because it's a solution in search of a problem. Trans activists routinely claim that people have LITERALLY gotten away with murder by using this defense, and yet when pressed are unable to provide a single specific example of that happening.
The murder rate in the UK is so low that I find it entirely credible that every single murder will eventually be reported in the BBC.
Let's be exhaustive about Trans Crime UK's reliance on national vs. regional reporting, shall we?
- Their article on Karen Lawson includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Robert/Emma Page includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Craig Hudson includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Daniel Eastwood includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Nicolle/Kobi Earley includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Senthooran / Nina Kanagasingham includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Christopher/Crystal Hunnisett includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Richard McCabe / Melissa Young includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Peter Laing / Paris Green includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Alan Baker (#2)/Alex Stewart includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Christopher/Claire Darbyshire includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Kyle Lockwood / Kayleigh-Louise Woods includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Jenny Swift includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Gerald Matovu includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Rowan Thompson includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Scarlet Blake includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Bronwyn/Anarlyn Jones includes a BBC link.
- Their article on John Stuart/Joanna Rowland-Stuart includes a BBC link.
- Their article on Aurin Makepeace includes a BBC link.
The only murderer in the paper's dataset where the corresponding Trans Crime UK page doesn't include a BBC link is Samantha Read.
If your contention is that Trans Crime UK's statistics are artificially inflated by using stories that were reported on in regional news outlets but not national ones, that just doesn't seem to be the case: 95% of the murderers in the dataset were reported on in national news.
And, Remembering Our Dead does include at least one murder victim which was not reported on by the national broadcaster (Penny Port, which only contains a link to the Sheffield Unison), implying that, if there were more murder victims only reported on in regional but not national news, they would be more than happy to include them.
I genuinely don't understand what your objection is.
Cause as I explained in the other comment, the trans victims site is clearly based off of national reporting (cause if it wasn't, they should have had to verify elsewhere for some cases instead of it all being BBC) whereas the trans crime site was using regional outlets and non BBC sources.
If you pull from two datasets and one is good to go from the start, and the other has to have half the data taken out, which dataset do you think had more bias put into it?
I genuinely don't think this matters provided you've gone to the trouble to properly vet and cleanse the data, which the authors explicitly have.
The trans site despite the submission model was clearly not used much and in actuality was pretty much entirely based off of national reporting
This does not appear to be true:
- The primary source for their article on Brianna Ghey is an article from the Liverpool Echo, and includes links to the Warrington Guardian, the Manchester Evening News and so on.
- Their article on Zen Black includes multiple links to the Belfast Telegraph.
- Their article on Naomi Hersi includes links to the Midsussex Times, the Worthing Herald and so on.
- The primary source for their article on Vanessa Santillan is an article from London Multimedia News (although the link now 404s).
- Their article on Chrissie Azzopardi includes a link to the Islington Gazette.
- Their article on Destiny Lauren includes a link to the Islington Gazette.
- Their article on Andrea Waddell includes a link to the Northern Echo.
- Their article on Penny Port only cites an article from the Sheffield Unison.
And so on and so forth, but I think I've made my point. Both Trans Crime and Remembering Our Dead rely on both national and regional reporting.
Things that bring some amount of shame to the family socially tend to not be covered accurately. In the same way that a lot of suicide victims are apparently just people who had an accident and addicts who overdose apparently just had some sort of health problem, a lot of trans victims just wouldn't be reported as such.
Ah, I see. We have no idea of the true rate of transphobic violence, because of how widespread transphobia is. This effectively means that "trans people face an elevated risk of violence and murder" is an unfalsifiable claim.
The numbers for the trans site also don't look to be particularly accurate, they just seem to accept random user submissions.
From the study:
To independently verify each case, we searched the BBC news website for the individual’s name. Apart from the two earliest homicides with transgender perpetrators, every homicide was reported by the BBC.

Well, that's not how any sensible person would define sex, so I really don't know why you're bringing up this hypothetical scenario.
I've made it abundantly, abundantly clear to you that when I use the term "sex", I'm referring to whether a person was born with the organs associated with the production of large or small gametes, even if faulty. Obviously one cannot change what organs one was born with, and medical technology currently admits of no way to transform organs which produce large gametes into organs which produce small gametes, or vice versa. If you were born with functioning testicles, the only kind of gamete you will ever be able to produce throughout your life is a small one, and emasculating yourself doesn't change that.
Your continued insistence on trying to imply that, by virtue of being gender-critical, I'm therefore a sex pest obsessed with the genitals of complete strangers is not just tiresome and dishonest, but also profoundly immature. If this is the best rebuttal you can think of, maybe just don't bother.
As an aside: your contention that the configuration of the genitals belonging to trans-identified males are some kind of jealously guarded secret is not at all consonant with my experience. This is information that trans-identified males seem disproportionately keen to volunteer, even (especially) to those who have expressed no desire to hear about it (that is, if the legions of such people inviting TERFs to "choke on my girldick" and similar are any indication).
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