HaroldWilson
2yr ago
There's nothing you can do to stop them from implementing terrible policies
Except there have been countless instances of enormous shifts in the behaviour of the state apparatus?
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
the tiniest hint of bias against certain races (blacks and jews in the US) is massively dangerous and a slippery slope to literal genocide
I don't think you see much of that in mainstream circles, seems a very online sort of thing, but where you do see it I agree that it is hyperbolic and unhelpful.
well they're not literally sending you to death camps yet so what are you whining about?
Much more than 'not literally sending you to death camps' there isn't that much serious bias against whites, not in the UK anyway. There is some 'diversity hiring' (but the available evidence seems to suggest that there are strong effects of in-group bias in hiring, which mostly of course favours whites, so on net even in the direct hiring process I think whites do fine, before one even considers broader questions of socio-economic inequality etc.) but it's hardly sufficient as to constitute a major or even minor concern for any aspiring professional in Britain. This RAF stuff has been newsworthy precisely because it is unusual for such vigorous policies to be in place.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
At a certain point, the ruling regime is so far from what people voted for it would be appropriate to call for a new election.
I mean it's still pretty similar under Rishi. Are there any enormous policy differences between the two (Truss was something of a departure but she was dumped out anyway pretty quickly)? This sort of has to be the case given the structures. After all it's the same set of MPs in the House so, while the PM can wield patronage to influence behaviour and in general sets the agenda the Parliamentary balance of opinion prevents any huge intra-term changes in direction.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Well no, because those MPs have to renew their democratic mandate at some point. Legitimacy does wane with time so one has to strike a balance between allowing them time to do something/avoiding ultra-short-termism and allowing the people to have their say. I'm not sure what the connection here is with the question of replacing PMs though.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Are we still doing the pretending this isn’t happening bit
Can't speak for anyone else but I sure am.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
people
Well, a person. I'm not being pedantic, one piece of evidence is always insufficient to demonstrate a broad trend, because that you can prove anything.
Could also point to other comments (eg SNP leadership)
Such as?
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Yes. His evidence for a sweeping assertion about British society was one bad email. I think we would need a little more evidence than that to make an assertion as broad as he did.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Literally one email does not substantiate a grand declarative statement about the condition of the nation. Did you miss the part where they were paying thousands in compensation to those adversely affected by the scheme?
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
When you are on your third PM since the last election there is a real question of democratic legitimacy for their current administration.
How so? He has the support of the MPs we all elected on the understanding that they could if they wished replace the PM with another.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
but actual dislike and disgust toward whites and specifically white males
This is so terminally online. Are you British? I have literally no idea where you have picked this idea up.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
I believe that using constitutional means of removing elected representatives in favor of bureaucrats approved by the real power structure is accurately characterized as a coup.
This is a complete misstatement of what happened. Going through each mistake here. Boris was not removed as an elected representative, he is still in the position to which he was elected; he was never 'elected' as a PM by the people, other elected representatives gave him that position and so they can take it away. He was not replaced by 'bureaucrats' in any sense, Sunak is an MP in exactly the same manner as Johnson, and is PM by the same implicit process. Who or what is the real power structure? He was removed by elected representatives who feared keeping him in would sink them at the next election, as the polling evidence indicated that it would. In fact, this shows the remarkable responsiveness of the Westminster system to public opinion. By electing MPs we invest them with the power to choose the Prime Minister, that is a fundamentally sound democratic process and has been the case for centuries. Your case implies that no Westminster system anywhere can ever have been legitimate by design, which is absurd.
I can name ennemies that have suffered similar repression and harassment. I can name truths that are not allowed to be said. I can name people killed without trial. I can name ethnicities whose property has been seized. I can name statutes that allow the government to break the law. And now I can even name ethnic cleansing initiatives.
Care to do so? Or shall we simply remain the land of vague generalisations.
But why is the UK in any sense of the word better than China?
Just sticking to the freedom of the press for now (there are many other issues of course but best to go one at a time). To put this in the simplest terms, what substantial opinions do you think one cannot express in Britain?
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Does it reflect as a good or a bad on the character of the jewish people who allegedly sold their fellow jews out to nazis
Badly of course, but principally because selling people out to send them to their deaths is wrong whether those to whom you are doing it are your ingroup or not. They are no worse (though both are still abhorrent of course) than French or Dutch gentile collaborators who assisted the prosecution of the Holocaust.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
It must have seemed fairly unambiguous to the Japanese-American soldiers at the time given that they were willing to risk their lives.
The survival of his kin sounds like enough of a motivation
I am glad that he managed to rise above man's baser instincts.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
I am not so convinced that there is a large divide between the British and Chinese states.
Well, where you complained (not unreasonably I might add, that is a bit ridiculous) about an unfair upbraiding by your RS teacher for your privilege, ethno-religious oppression in China entails internment, sterilisation, forced labour and physical maltreatment (even torture) in those camps at the hands of state authorities. This really is only a comment someone living in the freedom and prosperity of the West could make. Young Britons have it bad? Hardly anywhere near as bad as toiling in a Chinese coal mine or electronics factory.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
A regime led by a bureaucrat that owes his seat to a coup
Probably not much continuing here now thar these points have come up in your other comment but this is absurd. This is just how the Westminster system functions and even this party-orientated system has been the norm for coming up on a century. It's called the 1922 Committee for a reason.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
The PM is a party man the public did not vote for
Welcome to the Westminster system. The public did not vote for him, but they voted in the MPs that chose him as leader. A slight degree of removal but every action he wants to take (at least in the realm of primary legislation) must be voted upon by the people's elected representatives and those representatives could remove him and his government at any time should they wish to.
people are routinely arrested for disagreeing with government ideology.
Like with @Lizzardspawn before I respond to this I'll ask you a question; is it your genuine belief that the Chinese state does not restrict freedom of speech to any considerably greater degree than the British state?
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Before I respond with anything else is your genuine belief that the Chinese state does not restrict freedom of speech to any considerably greater degree than the British state?
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
While I suppose it's a plausible moral system, where our obligation to pets fits in in that scheme doesn't seem obvious. Which is to say that lets say most Mexicans subscribe to something resembling Newtonian Ethics, they could simply and quite plausibly regard dogs as further from them (or maybe in Newtonian terms they exert less of a pull than humans) such that their obligation is sufficiently small as to not worry too much about mistreatment.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Surely whatever you think about the UK, any plausible faults are on a completely different plane to those of the Chinese state, especially if the complaints you're levying are the aforementioned ones about affirmative action or whatever. Most importantly of all of course is the total absence of any genuine democracy or appreciable freedom of the press in China. Certainly to the extent that assisting China militarily because you were hacked off at a diversity initiative is indefensible.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
has values that are antithetical to the pilot values
China. Most Britons and doubtless RAF pilots would and do abhor their form of government.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
If Miyagi was a true Patriot, he wouldn't have fought for the army of the State that killed his wife only to return to a country that still hated him, he'd been bombing recruitment centers instead.
With what end? All that would achieve is assisting an unambiguously far, far worse 'tyranny' in the war.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
It's pretty obvious what he's saying. Japanese-American soldiers fought for the United States in WW2 under a state that was persecuting them to a degree far in excess of what white Britons 'face', and no-one would deny that they were doing the right thing. If people who were being routinely interned can set that grievance aside, I think white Britons can set aside the grievance of a diversity drive in the RAF.
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
Contrasting this anti-white conspiracy with last years report that China was "luring" UK pilots to train its pilots, what exactly does a white person owe a state that actively discriminates against them?
This is completely pathetic. A pilot feels, perhaps not unreasonably, disadvantaged by this one policy, so that's grounds on which to throw your toys out of the pram and work for a state which, for most RAF pilots one imagines, behaves in a manner completely antithetical to your values?
HaroldWilson
2yr ago
we’ll start seeing more chained-up, neglected dogs.
The point is that there is no coherent moral framework under which this is a bad thing while simultaneously meat-eating is fine.
https://www.nuffield.ox.ac.uk/news-events/news/new-csi-report-on-ethnic-minority-job-discrimination/
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