HereAndGone
5d ago
Well friend, the day a black man gets a white man pregnant, or a white man gets a black man pregnant, and both of them are cis males, you can tell me about blowing up definitions. Until then, putting "person with functioning male genitals" with "person with functioning female genitals" does not mean "a woman got pregnant by another woman!"
some of regulars here think that's a justification for unlimited violence against civilization, but a large majority of the country disagrees.
See, the thing is, I'd be more convinced about "it's just a few crazy kids on campus" - sorry, I meant "it's just a book about being nice and having fun!", "it's just teaching tolerance and civility!", "it's just treating people the way they want to be treated" were it not that every. single. time. it's been - what was that phrase again? oh yeah - "motte and bailey".
"We're only teaching kids that some kids have two moms or two dads, what is wrong with that?" is the fig leaf for "and trans. that they might be trans. and they can trust us. we'll help them out and keep it secret from their parents. because their parents are bigots and would be mean to them. but we'll keep it a big secret just between the two of us, yeah?"
Now we're getting "it's just a woman wearing a leather jacket, what is so strange about that?" in the context of a Pride parade. Yeah, what is so particular about leather at a gay parade that could ruffle some feathers?
I have always hated the notion of dog whistles because I think a lot of the time it's motivated reasoning and people getting het-up over nothing. But damn it, sometimes a "lesbian wearing leather" is a leather dyke. Unless we are to assume the author of Pride Puppy is an innocent pure soul who thinks Pride parades/Pride Day/Pride Month are only about rainbow flags and everyone parading, with no deeper knowledge of the LGBT culture and its history, I don't see how things like that can be anything but deliberate. And it turns out Ms. Stephenson is an activist of sorts herself, so yeah I think it's deliberate. No matter what the illustrator says (so the leather jacket had to be studded? and a motorbike type jacket? because that's what women wear to the grocery store as a matter of course? with nothing underneath except a rainbow bra? and a choker?)
Okay sure, maybe, I imagine some women wear that kind. But looking online the closest I can find to the jacket in the illustration is "bomber" or "moto" jackets, and none of these have spikes on the shoulders. But then again, I've never worn a leather jacket in my life, so what do I know about fashion?
The crux of the matter is that the normalization of same-sex relationships is a culture war battle that the right fought and lost
Yes. And this is why my very tepid and grudging "okay sure civil marriage is already a hot steaming mess, why not let the gays get in on the trauma?" acceptance has cooled even more over the years.
"This will never affect you". "Don't like gay marriage? Then don't get gay married!" "This makes no difference to your life at all, it just means we can marry the people we love".
Well that was a heap of horse manure, even worse - at least you can use manure on your roses. This, on the other hand, has indeed led to "we will fight and die on the hill of having, in the school library for 12 year olds up, a book that mentions in passing 'hey kids, if you can't pay for your cross-sex hormones, peddling your ass is one way of getting money for it'."
Someone invent a time machine so we can go back, because clearly we weren't nearly repressive enough!
it's a picture of a woman in a leather jacket, which picture would be unobjectionable in a book about anything else.
A picture not just of a woman, but of a lesbian. At a Pride Parade. Where wearing leather has particular connotations. Seems like there is a lesbian leather subculture out there, and it's not just about "wearing a leather jacket and cheering on the parade". Context is important; a woman in a bikini at the beach is one thing, a woman in a bikini on the beach posing for her glamour shot is quite different in intent and how it is supposed to be read.
I think eventually there may come a split, the 'family-friendly' type of Pride parades will become the norm as the public face of the LGBT+ movement, where there are marchers from everyone including the cops, and floats, and corporate sponsorship, and it is just "waving the pretty coloured flags and cheering". The kinky elements, the overtly sexual ones, the remains of the original Pride, will go their own way or have their own separate areas where it's understood you don't bring the baby stroller or the four year olds or the normies.
Ultimately all that is for the movement to sort out for itself. Am I saying "no leather at Pride"? No. Am I saying there shouldn't be kink and it should all be family-friendly? No, because it's none of my business. If parents want to bring their kids to the parade, with the attendant risk of them seeing something they maybe shouldn't, that's on the parents because it's their job to raise their kids.
Which means that there are also parents who don't and won't bring their kids to the parade, even the family-friendly version, and that is their right too, because it is their job as to how they raise their kids. So why the necessity to have books like Pride Puppy in schools? That's going beyond tolerance and into "we're making all this normal, including the bits that go over the heads of the kids but which adults recognise, and you can't stop us or do anything about it".
You want to teach four year olds not to be bullies and not to pick on other kids or adults just for being different? Knock yourself out. You want to slip in the idea of leather dykes to four year olds and a different kind of Pride puppy? Yeah, no. They can wait till they're fourteen. Or sixteen. Or never, to find out about that.
HereAndGone
5d ago
Welllll.... wearing the clothes of the opposite sex in a non-sexualised way was part of old Hallowe'en traditions (men dressing up as women in aprons etc, women wearing trousers and caps before it became common or usual for women to wear pants). it was all part of the theme of disguising yourself to protect against the malign spirits and the upheaval of the normal rules (this being the night the borders between the Other World and our world opened, and spirits and ghosts could cross over into the human realm and humans could cross over into the other world). Think of it as the spirit of Saturnalia. It's known as guising in Scotland.
The English pantomime tradition carried this on in a way, as well as the comedians who dressed up as women - Les Dawson was not portraying a drag queen, though the humour did depend heavily on double entendres.
HereAndGone
5d ago
I should know better than to ask "what fresh hell is this?" because something new always pops up.
The only rationale I can see for having a wordsearch option at the end of Pride Puppy (with ordinary words like apple, baseball, coffee cup) is to pretend that this is educational rather than indoctrination. The kids are learning to spell and to identify words, so this is learning English!
I'm inclined to agree with Gorsuch here, a phrase I never thought I'd use: why is this in the English language curriculum rather than the human sexuality curriculum if they need to have it be a Pride parade with lesbians in leather jackets and drag queens and rainbow flags? If they just wanted a spelling book, why have it be a Pride parade? It is about teaching the kids that it's all normal, there are no divergent opinions on this, all that you see there is right and good, and heavens no there would never be anything for adults only in such a parade!
HereAndGone
5d ago
It's not quite clear if it was rape or was consensual with the Real Woman having penis-in-vagina reproductive sex with the two cis women inmates.
However, I do think that if you are putting a person with a functioning set of genitals that demonstrably have met their telos in reproduction into the same place as people who can get pregnant from those functioning genitals, then we're past the point of discussing "transness" and well into "let's blow up all definitions of what is a woman and what is a man and biology and sex and gender and gender roles" territory.
I've seen some attempts at using "seahorses" for "transmen who get pregnant" as an attempt to ground the new gender/sex option in current biological reality (male seahorses carry the offspring! that means males can get pregnant!) but as yet, nothing for "transwomen who knock other women up" since we don't seem to have a biological option for that one (maybe there is, amongst hermaphrodite species like earthworms, but I don't see "worm" being adopted as a popular term).
Since the very argument for "put this person into a woman's prison" is "this is a woman and not a man", then we really do need to decide "can women get women pregnant? can a woman have a penis and testicles and viable sperm?" What is a woman, after all?
HereAndGone
10d ago
Depends on the layout of the toilets; I've walked past men's bathrooms in public spaces where the urinals were visible with the door open and if you wanted to take a good look you could have done 😁 Bad architectural design does happen!
But then again, I also live in a town where in the middle of the day there were men pissing up against a wall in a laneway just off a main street so yeah - sometimes you can see more than you want to see.
HereAndGone
10d ago
Gender dysphoria and being trans is not treated with 'two minute' levity anywhere I know of.
The ur-example that kicked off all the trouble in Scotland, a violent rapist who suddenly decided after being convicted that in fact he was a she and that's why she had committed those rapes, it was all the dysphoria and psychic distress you see.
Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv making a nice little earner out of suing immigrant-owned/workers small businesses for transphobia because brown women didn't want to wax a feminine penis and testicles.
The Wi Spa guy (yes, guy) who casually admitted he got his gender notification changed easily but did absolutely nothing else to transition:
Let’s back up a second. Should we be using male or female pronouns with you? How do you identify?
I’m very neutral, like non-binary, although I don’t like that word. I’m legally female. But I have facial hair. I have a penis. I have no breasts. I don’t have a feminine voice. I don’t wear makeup or dress up like a female. So imagine you’re a grocery store [clerk] and you’re bagging my groceries and you say, “Excuse me, sir . . . ” I mean, am I supposed to be offended? That’d be ridiculous. How would this person know? But technically, for legal terms, I am she/her. I put "female" on my driver’s license. But I’ve had to struggle my whole life fitting into traditional society.
And you sleep with women? You’re a female who has heterosexual sex with females?
I have heterosexual sex because my penis fits in a vagina. I don’t tell women I’m with that I’m transgender because that’s not my sex. So I’m not faking anything. Gender is internal, sex is external.
When was the first time you remember hearing about being transgender…when was that presented and by who?
That was a discussion I had right after [a car] accident in April of 2017. Technically, I hadn’t used any facilities for like a year and a half—I hadn’t used bathrooms, pools, or anything. Technically I was considered transgender for a whole year and a half before I used any facilities. And I didn’t even know it was a law. I was ignorant of all of this.
When did you get your driver’s license changed?
The license came in January 2019 [the month that the California Gender Recognition Act took effect]. But there's a discrepancy in California, you can go through your doctor. But it's very easy to get it. You can go in and sign a piece of paper. So I just waited until January to do it. And that was the first month that it was available. Basically, anybody could walk in and get one.
Was that something that was discussed with your therapist? How did you come to the decision to make the appointment to go in to get the driver’s license changed?
Our discussion basically started around April 2017. Between April 2017 and 2019, I had figured that … evaluating how I fit and how I had problems in prison….you come to the conclusion that makes more sense, where you're gonna fit better in life.
And it makes sense, looking back throughout all years of your life. It's not like we're born and people try to indoctrinate you. Once you evaluate your life, it makes a lot of sense. Especially when you’re autistic and things are non-traditional anyway.
But you are a convicted sex offender, aren’t you? Weren’t you once caught without pants and masturbating while peering into the window of an 85-year-old Arcadia woman?
So what happened was this elderly man got up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, and his bathroom overlooks another yard [and he saw me masturbating]. But even if it was masturbation, I don’t have a problem with that because that’s not illegal. It’s only illegal if you’re masturbating in someone’s face, like George Michael.
The ACLU brought a case the decision of which compelled the prison system to send trans prisoners to the prison of their "experienced sex" (to use your phrasing). Now, that may indeed be a good thing for the human rights of trans people. Except this grifter then took advantage of it, forced his (and I am saying "his" because if you've still got all your working male parts and can get cis women pregnant, I don't believe you are genuinely trans) removal to a female prison, and there we go, two new babies came into the world.
Those cases are out there. The defence of them, along with legitimate trans people, is what causes the trouble. Discard the liars and nutcases, then ordinary people will be more willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Men who, when faced with going to prison, suddenly discover their inner womanhood - they don't get to go to women's prisons (and it is remarkable how many, out of the small transgender prison population, are serving terms for sexual offences). Make it legally enforceable that "guy with working male genitals can too come into a female space just by saying he is now she" and then don't be surprised when people object.
HereAndGone
14d ago
If it's a tabloid running a gossip story about celebrities, I automatically discount "close friend of the above parties hinted at" as the paper making it all up but using the phrasing for plausible deniability, or a scammer sold them the story which they don't care whether it's true or not, it'll sell more copies if they run it.
For media with pretensions to being serious real journalism, I expect better. Again, most times I see "unattributed sources/sources in the government who will only speak off the record", I assume it's a leak and being drip-fed to the media for ulterior motives.
So this could have been a leak, I suppose, as a trial balloon to see what reaction would be like if Trump reversed his decision. Or it could be hot air. I wish NPR and other media would be a little more picky about their sources backing up their claims, but that may be too much to expect nowadays.
I think having children in a stable family is much, much better than whatever Elon has going on here, but he was married first twice and I wonder if that those divorces changed his mind about marriage.
What the story did inform me was that he and St Clair were in a romantic/sexual relationship; I've seen speculation that he was only a sperm donor for this kid. So, even though I disapprove of this kind of approach to having children, he does seem to be involved in the lives of the children (see how he brought along his four year old son to the White House) and I have less sympathy for St Clair than she might expect: gosh, why ever did she get involved with and sleep with and agree to have a kid with the current wealthiest person in the world, what was the attraction there one wonders? Could it possibly have been the lure of dollar signs, since given his very public track record, it would be difficult to imagine he was offering marriage? Even Jeff Bezos still hasn't married his mistress for whom he blew up his marriage, so I can't think St Clair did honestly believe a ring and wedding bells were on the cards.
EDIT: If that sounds like I think she viewed a kid with Musk as a meal ticket, well.... yes, I'm coming to that conclusion. Particularly the public way she went about revealing she was having his baby. No wonder he's not quite sure the kid might indeed be his, but really Elon, pick a stable woman and get married and have another houseful of kids with her, instead of bouncing around with Canadian pop stars and publicity hounds like this one! Shivon Zilis already is mother to four of his kids and seems, on the face of it, the least crazy candidate for a third marriage. He needs to settle down and stop running around like he's a bachelor in his twenties. A stable home life would be good for him as well and might rein in some of the crazy he's allegedly engaging in.
HereAndGone
14d ago
The witch for Catholic theology will be a Zoroastrian.
I'm very tempted to say that regarding the state of modern theology, a Zoroastrian at least believes in the principles of good and evil as being opposing divinities, and indeed in divinity. That would at least be closer to traditional Catholicism! So yeah, I'd take a theologian who believes in good and evil and gods and demons than someone who is all "it's all us, we're the most important beings".
do you think the person who believes "no abortions no matter what" feels properly represented by the "no abortions except if it's rape or risky to the mother or blah blah blah reasons"?
If it's a choice between that and "every single member of faculty donates to Planned Parenthood" then yeah, I'll take that.
Look, take the victory on gay marriage. In the current discussion around trans rights, even the people who are "well hmm it's gone a bit far" are all "and this isn't like gay rights at all, now everyone accepts that gay marriage is the normal and natural and good and moral thing". That's the lack of ideological diversity here; oh sure some people way back objected but now they've come round to the right way of thinking.
Suppose I don't agree that it's the moral thing, but I accept it as legal? There's no ideological diversity there for me, I can only be a bigot and homophobe if I don't agree on the "perfectly right and good" take. And that's just on freakin' civil marriage, not the really radioactive hot button topics.
So yes indeed, if it's "abortion is a blessing and our work is not done" or "no abortion but some exceptions", then the latter is closer to my views than the former.
HereAndGone
14d ago
Generally, "sources close to who can't be named" are leaking on behalf of the government, either pro- or anti-something. The thing to figure out here is who is leaking and for what purpose.
To make Trump look bad? Maybe some of those federal workers under the threat of the DOGE axe, or otherwise unhappy with what is going on there, who want to throw a spanner in the works?
The problem with anonymous sources like this is that there is all the possibility of whatever conspiracy theory your little heart desires, but no hard information.
HereAndGone
14d ago
Yeah, "pay for a face-to-face" is political standard, it doesn't promise anything more than that. If we believe that Burisma paying Hunter big bucks didn't get them anything more than maybe the hope of a phone call with Joe, then same here.
HereAndGone
14d ago
So two anonymous sources, whom they don't seem to have checked were legit, made them run a story that had everyone believing something to be true that wasn't. Or might be. Or could be true, or maybe it's false.
Do we call this fake news or not? I'm a lot more angry about the lack of fact-checking than any political manoeuvring here, I'm not going to say NPR is anti-Trump because I don't know one way or the other. But this kind of rumour-mongering is not helping any of us trust the media, or find reliable sources of factual information.
So right now we don't know if 'millionaire businessman pays bribe to get government policy reversed' is true or false or somewhere in Schrodinger's middle where it might be true until it got found out, or maybe it was false because two chancers fooled a news outlet.
At this stage, I think the media should put the kibosh on stories relying on "sources who can't be named", because they're only tabloid-fodder level reliable the same way you see stories about "close friends of Harry and Meghan say that Camilla tried to poison her with ricin at the last family dinner" trash clickbait.
HereAndGone
21d ago
Imagine a Chinese Batman that is functionally identical to the actual thing, but they just didn't pay Warner Bros. for any rights.
Look at Indian movies, there is a South India director who is working on creating his own cinematic universe of superheroes inspired by native myths and traditions. The movie is great fun, it may not be as polished as Hollywood but it deliberately references Western superheroes and their influence on the villain of the story (he wants to be the Indian Batman or Spiderman and, let's say, goes too far in pursuit of that - the lesson from Bruce Wayne should not be "you need dead parents to motivate you, if you can't get them naturally store-bought is fine so arrange their deaths"!)
HereAndGone
26d ago
The problem is the unemployed brother whose elderly mother is cleaning up after him, and what is this guy doing about it? Why is he not kicking his brother in the behind to sort himself out? Why isn't he fixing the toilet instead of letting Mom do it?
Whether or not there are illegal immigrants being used as cheap labour, this is nothing to do with his family problems. If he's unable to help, or unwilling to help, blaming Trump for "ICE thugs" is not going to be any good for his elderly mother trying to survive in her home with this kind of constant hassle.
Maybe a few "ICE thugs" showing up to drag the brother out of the house wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Then this guy could go virtue signal about "I love the idea of persecuted brown people so much more than my own real family" somewhere else.
HereAndGone
26d ago
Kids benefit a lot from one on one tutoring; hire a million Americans to offer one on one tutoring to every student between the ages of 5 and 9 to fix our horrifying collapse in general reading ability. Boys learn better if some of their teachers are men, so make sure half of your hires are men.
Yeah, that's a good point, but the problem is, for example: the kind of guys who would have gone into teaching instead of doing blue-collar work, because their families wanted them to get out of the manual labour grind and improve themselves, are still going to go into teaching today, but the guys who got a job on the assembly line instead of becoming teachers are not going to do that today.
It's not a simple choice between "well gee will I study to become a primary school teacher or get a job in the box factory, I have the skills and aptitude for either". The guys who got a job in the box factory were not academically qualified to be teachers (I'm not saying they were stupid, I'm saying they were never going to be teachers and they knew it, their families knew it, everybody knew it).
So it's a bit like the "learn to code" mantra - if there aren't any box factories anymore, those guys are not going to be teaching nine year old boys how to read gooderer.
So there is going to be a tranche of people who would have done manual labour/blue-collar work, but now manufacturing is either off-shored or automation is coming for those jobs. What do you do for them? Some of them may be able to start up small businesses of their own (there is certainly plenty of room for 'local guy to do small handyman jobs around the town') but not all, and certainly not all of them are going to be able to pivot into teaching.
AI is probably coming for the white-collar jobs as well, but there may be more wiggle room there for "okay so maybe I'll re-train as a teacher". I think something like a jobs programme probably is the best we can hope for, and there is a ton of work in the voluntary/public sector that could be done under the aegis of that, but it'll be tricky to implement: local government that isn't cutting the grass or filling the pot holes because of lack of budget to do that kind of work. Voluntary services that need a handyman/janitor/caretaker but don't have the funding to employ one full-time.
These are called community employment schemes over here, I don't know if there is an American equivalent, but if manufacturing/heavy industry is now dead as a source of employment, unless you're expecting everyone to start becoming an Uber driver or the likes, then some kind of government jobs programme is what is needed. The ideal would be "these are real jobs where people are employed at market rates and get health insurance and pension benefits" but the problem of course is no money to pay for that, so that's where government has to step in and then we're talking about spending even more on social security/social services which is another problem in itself: where does the money come from to pay for that, unless we're expecting the Miracle of Superhuman Intelligence AI to make things so cheap, and the economy so booming, that there is the magic money fountain flowing to pay for all this.
HereAndGone
26d ago
This is either really badly translated from about two different languages into a form of English, or it's written by AI.
I was aware of the controversy around the latest Assassin's Creed game with the so-called black samurai and whether this was historically accurate or not. I never heard of a "Morning Chestnut Problem" and if you could have bothered to explain what that was, then this comment would be marginally clearer (this is one thing that sounds like 'translated from Japanese into German or Finnish or some other tongue, then translated from that into English').
There's a ton of extraneous data but no point that I can see: are you trying to argue that this guy never existed? did exist but was not as important as the game makes out? the influence of wokeness and the demand for representation on games and how this is a bad thing? cultural appropriation? white liberals in the USA making a big deal out of things native Japanese don't find offensive? something in the game that really is offensive to native Japanese? what?
And again, what the hell is the Morning Chestnut Problem?
HereAndGone
27d ago
Is that mental illness?
If you think that in order to be attractive you need Giant Bazongas, and guys really do expect women to be waifs with Giant Bazongas or else they're not pretty enough, then maybe not strictly mental illness but something has gone wrong with social attitudes and expectations diverging wildly from reality. And people addicted to plastic surgery do exist, and I would have no problem calling that mental illness.
HereAndGone
27d ago
That one I think is Sleeping Beauty; she gets pregnant with twins and the child (or children) suckling at her finger so the splinter that caused her to fall asleep is sucked out is what rouses her out of the slumber. Rapunzel also gets pregnant by her prince, but that was more consensual. After the witch causes him to fall off the tower into a patch of briars which poke his eyes out, he eventually meets Rapunzel wandering in the wilderness with her twin children and her tears restore his sight.
Folktales were never shy about the grim parts of life. That's why Zegler saying the prince is a creepy stalker might apply to the original stories, but since she's talking about the cartoon where the Disney story made sure to have them meet while Snow White was still alive, that's not applicable.
I know Neil Gaiman is now Problematic, but he wrote a version of the story where the queen stepmother is the heroine and Snow White the villainess, and it works too; the idea of a girl with skin white as snow and lips red as blood can be creepy and horrific as well as unearthly beauty: Snow, Glass, Apples.
HereAndGone
1mo ago
It sounds like nobody in the writers' room was thinking about the story as it got pulled here and there by reactions to reactions, hence all the revamping and reshooting and rewriting.
It is a fairy tale, especially the more sanitised version of the Brothers Grimm version. There are several what I guess we'd call tropes which resonate with people familiar with how such stories go: the Wicked Stepparent, for example (though some stories are also about neglectful or abusive parents - think about Hansel and Gretel and their own parents just abandon them in the woods). Even today, this is a live topic so the idea that the second wife of the king would not have been loving to the stepchild is exactly what everyone would assume.
Then there is the question of beauty, which ties in with both questions of power and maturity. After all, the queen is technically only ruling as regent until Snow White, the legitimate heiress to the throne, comes of age. Snow White becoming old enough to be esteemed beautiful as a sexual rival indicated the end of, or at least a threat to, the queen's power. Having her disappear in the forest on a hunting accident is deniable enough and also allows the story to permit Snow White to survive and grow up. Look at the Princes in the Tower for what happens to inconvenient obstacles in the way of an ambitious claimant to the throne.
Snow White, in the Grimm fairy tale version, grows up with the dwarves until the evil queen manages to catch up with her, and has three attempts at killing her. The dwarves foil the first two, but the third - the poisoned apple - works. The prince finds the crystal coffin in the woods with this beautiful maiden inside and demands to bring it back with him (this is creepier/stalker behaviour unlike the cartoon where they meet when she's alive and develop a first attempt at a relationship, so Zegler got that wrong). It's not true love's kiss that wakes her up, it's when the coffin is jolted and this knocks the poisoned piece of apple out of her throat.
The wedding is planned to go ahead, the evil queen finds out and when she arrives there discovers the bride is Snow White. She tries to kill her again, and the prince punishes her by forcing her to dance in red-hot iron slippers until she is dead. Then the happily ever after happens.
Everyone knows how the story should go: the wicked are punished, the good may suffer but they get their reward in the end. It also brings in the notion of the Golden Age (before the evil queen ruled) and a return to that, with the rightful heiress (Snow White) who knows the lot of the ordinary folk (because she lived in the forest with the dwarves as a humble person) restored to her rightful place (the bride of the prince) and now the rightful rule will be established again and Snow White will be a better queen. EDIT: Though dwarves in folklore are not the cute version of the Disney cartoon, nor are they humans of short stature. They are sort of nature spirits (which is why they live in the forest and work in the mountains in the story), and Snow White becoming aligned with them is one form of magic against the magic of the evil queen. So there is another thread there of the rightful queen (Snow White) taming the spirits of the woods and mountains and bringing them into alliance with the humans in the kingdom so they are less malign and malicious.
So yeah, there's room to update the 1937 cartoon, but changing the prince to a bandit leader misses the point: this is about monarchy, not some kind of "head of state democratically elected by the people". But in the end, it's a fairy tale about a princess and the rewards she gets for being good and suffering at the hands of the wicked, so it doesn't have to be too deep. It's for little girls, who may or may not still want to dress up as princesses and play at that today.
HereAndGone
1mo ago
Oh yeah, I discount the "she's brown not white so not Snow White" stuff and she's pretty enough, but agreed: they did have to manoeuvre around "are you kidding me, Magic Mirror, who is the fairest?" to make it work. That then introduces the problem of "she's the Evil Queen, why the hell does she care about who is the 'fairest where that means most just' part or whether that applies to her?" but you can't have a Snow White story without the Magic Mirror, so, eh.
Could be down to High Definition TV and film? The problem with that, as soon as it started being used, was that now every tiny flaw and imperfection could be seen in high detail, so new kinds of makeup were needed to 'smooth out' features.
Seriously, though, if you're surprised that "public figure looks different in real life unposed shots than in polished, professional performance" well then I don't know how to break it to you about food stylists.
More options
Context Copy link