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Hoffmeister25

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Hoffmeister25

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That would be the Einsatzgruppen.

I just think it’s far more efficient to be able to speak of a hypothetical person without needing to assume biographical details at the fundamental level of speech. A gender-neutral pronoun would be highly useful here, and would not need to imply any reification of the idea that any known individual can have a gender which is neither male nor female.

(in the sense of “reacting irrationally and overconfidently” sense, not the ideological sense)

I explicitly said that I did not mean “reactionary” to mean right-wingers. How was that not clear?

It’s not just feminism that doesn’t like this. It’s a limiting way of speaking about the world — one that assumes men are the default human actor. I don’t think one has to be a feminist to see this as questionable.

You’re missing the very obvious other use case: discussing a person whose identity is unknown or unspecified in the context of the discussion. A hypothetical person, somebody who is being used as an example to demonstrate a point, etc. All we have right now is the clumsy construction “him or her”, “himself or herself”, etc.

When I see these arguments all I can think of is: How? How will anyone do this or enforce what you are proposing?

Look, I think almost everybody here is in agreement with you about the extreme political/ideological difficulties in addressing this problem. To the extent that Americans are even willing to openly acknowledge the existence of the problem at all, we are viciously polarized about the root causes of it, and about what an attempt to fix it would even look like. One side (presented somewhat uncharitably) thinks we just need to expropriate more resources and guilt from the dominant white culture and the problem will somehow fix itself; the other side is hotly divided over whether genetics play any role at all, and the anti-genetics side has spent years screeching about the evils of eugenics, so they’re certainly not going to assent to any attempt to address the problem on a genetic/heritability level.

The practical difficulties of disentangling the genetic and cultural factors is a real one, but not a priori insurmountable. The existence of genetically-identical (or at least nearly identical) populations split along cultural lines, with large downstream effects in terms of life outcomes, is trivially observable. (North Korea vs. South Korea being the most obvious one.) We can infer from this that the reverse is achievable; undoing the cultural divide would ameliorate the differences in outcomes.

Now, with American blacks, we don’t have such a starkly-clear control group. We do have American descendants of Igbo immigrants, whose life outcomes are very markedly better than ADOS blacks; however, since Igbos are a fairly endogenous genetic ingroup and are not genetically identical to the ADOS founding population, it’s difficult to disambiguate to what extent genetics explain the difference. (Although at the very least it deals a powerful blow to the thesis that white racism against people with dark skin is the entire root cause of blacks’ worse life outcomes.)

Ultimately I think you and I are in agreement that the idea of bringing black life outcomes into complete parity with white life outcomes is a pipe dream, short of a decades-long coordinated eugenics program. (And maybe even that wouldn’t be enough.) Since that’s not going to happen, we can at least try to fiddle with the cultural dials in whatever way we can; perhaps we can draw some useful conclusions from that regarding the extent to which culture contributes to the life outcomes we’re observing.

People have to be capable of living in the real world with other people. If they fail that it's not a matter of 'could would should' on behalf of everyone else to coddle these people into not being violent retards. Raja is 25 years old. He should be way past the point of pining for his fathers approval and attention like a dog. And way way past needing to hospitalize another person to do it.

You seem to have somehow gotten the impression that I’m arguing for leniency or grace toward this man. I’m very obviously not. He should be punished extremely strictly and probably never see the outside of prison walls. I am merely observing the patterns that seem to have landed him (and a very disturbingly large number of other black men) in this position. There’s nothing exculpatory about it.

Bad parenting doesn't fall out of the sky by chance. And the bad parents don't keep their bad genes to themselves.

I have made this point many time myself, right here on this very website. Cultures didn’t fall from the sky, assigned at random to different population groups. To an extent, the culture of American blacks is an expression of their innate capabilities and predispositions. However, it’s clearly not entirely so, because it’s also a very different culture from West Africa. It clearly has very strong elements of the Southern American culture into which American slaves were acculturated. (Honor culture elements, boastfulness, etc.)

There were changes in aggregate black culture between 1940 and 1990, and those changes did materially lead to a decline in life outcomes, in terms of things like criminality and out-of-wedlock births. The genetic substrate didn’t change. (One could make an argument about genetic selection effects leading only the most profligate black men to father children during this time, therefore subtly altering the proportions of various genetic traits within the population, but the time period is too short for this to matter, and also the evidence doesn’t seem to support this.)

If those cultural processes could be reversed — either from within black culture, or imposed from without — there would be measurable difference in life outcomes, even though the genetically-influenced things like average IQ and other cognitive limitations would remain. I don’t disagree with you that the higher average propensity for violent outbursts would still be there! That has been a feature of American black men (on average, in the aggregate, with a great many exceptions) for a long time. But it can be mediated by cultural pressures (and an awareness of the need for those pressures) if a concerted effort could be introduced. (Think of something like the strong legal structures that were once put into place to protect indigenous Amerinidians from alcohol, given their lack of genetic protections against alcoholism.)

I’m squarely in the Steve Sailer moderate racialist camp of “clearly there’s both nature and nurture elements working together here”. I’m confident that there’s some sort of genetic predispositions at play when considering aggregate black misbehavior, low average prefrontal cortex development, etc. But I’d be shocked if that’s the entire story, and I don’t know many serious racialists who believe genetics are the entire story.

Rampage Jackson, from what I knew about him previously and from what I gleaned from your comment, seems to have basically the modal black male personality. Gregarious, full of bravado, capable of very intense but sporadic bursts of aggression, and otherwise basically carefree and unserious. Sort of what you’d expect of a pre-pubescent child or rowdy teenager given a powerful adult man’s body.

I can imagine that this is an extremely poor model for a parental figure of either sex, but especially a father. A child growing up with such a father — even one that is regularly involved with the rearing of the child — will not have discipline or steadfastness or emotional regulation modeled to him. He will struggle to feel like his father is genuinely comprehending and responding to his needs, rather than putting on a performance of fatherhood for an imaginary audience. He will feel the need to compete with his father for attention and status, rather than feeling safe in the knowledge that his father is prepared to self-sacrifice for the good of the child. And unless the child can find a way to break the cycle and advance past this level of arrested development, this is a problem which is likely to compound across generations.

I agree with @Amadan that this post was difficult to follow. A large part of that is simply the language barrier. However, you have a tendency in your posts to assume the readers have far more background knowledge/context than we actually do. I’m vaguely aware of who Rampage Jackson is, but past that I haven’t the faintest clue who any of these people are, even after reading your post.

Are they pro wrestlers in the sense of WWE-style sports entertainment? Is Raja Jackson involved with this industry regularly, or did he just show up at random to an event and somehow became embroiled in this? What was the exact sequence of events here?

There seems like the seed of an interesting and CW-relevant post here, it’s just buried under a somewhat impenetrable writing style.

Saying they have a "mixture of European and non-European ancestry" is about as useful as saying that English people have a "mixture of English and non-English" ancestry because of that dirty Norman blood.

No, it’s not, because Anglo-Saxons and Normans were extremely genetically-similar populations even before intermixing. Whereas gypsies originate in the Indian subcontinent. They have also practiced a large degree of endogamy, meaning that they have maintained a very large non-European component to their ancestry despite their long existence living alongside Europeans.

Yes, they have inhabited the European geographical area for a long time, but surely you can understand that that’s not what people are referring to when they call them “non-European”. There is a genetic/ancestral cluster from which the peoples of Europe collectively descend, since many thousands of years ago. Gypsies are highly peripheral to this, as their arrival into Europe is comparatively very recent and they maintain significant genetic difference — manifested in their obvious phenotypic differences from the surrounding populations — from that genetic cluster.

Whether the shooter conceived of themselves

I’m not doing this to pick on you specifically, but I’m going to use this as an opportunity to express exasperation at this weakness of English which is laid bare when people attempt to talk about an individual whose gender is unknown or unspecified.

What is the word “themselves” doing here? Specifically the “selves” part. Does this one individual have multiple selves? Clearly not! Therefore, the correct reflexive pronoun — presuming we all agree that “they” and “them” are valid when discussing a single individual — should be “themself”! However, as a lifelong monolingual English speaker, I intuitively recognize “themself” as invalid. Not a word!

Now, apparently there are attestations of “themself” from 1350-1400; however, all of the written usages of this pronoun I was able to find on a cursory search were extremely recent. (Like, from less than a month ago.) It appears that there may be a concerted push by writers who, recognizing the dire need for a standard reflexive pronoun to refer to a single individual of unspecific sex/gender, are trying to make “themself” a thing. And, frankly, good for them! It’s shocking that a language as old and as rich as English lacks what seems to be a basic and invaluable word.

Every time I see “themselves” used to refer to a single person, I want to die. Sorry you had to be the immediate recipient of this rebuke, as you are nowhere near the first to commit this grievous offense, nor will you be the last.

This seems obviously correct to me, and has a ton of explanatory power when considering the motivations of advocates for childhood puberty blockers. There is a subset of the larger trans activist sphere who clearly see puberty as (at least in some cases, for some children) a profoundly traumatic and unwelcome experience. They want to introduce methods by which kids can have more control and more agency around their pubertal experiences, because they assume most kids (and even most adults) are dealing with the same level of angst about it that they are. These people are obviously typical-minding to an extreme degree — the vast majority of people navigate puberty without too much trauma and get over the awkwardness pretty smoothly — but it’s useful to understand their perspectives.

This is just a long way of expressing the favorite point of retreat for reactionary (in the sense of “reacting irrationally and overconfidently” sense, not the ideological sense) conspiracy theorists after they’re proved wrong: “The fact that I could have believed it speaks volumes about how bad my enemies are.”

It’s perfectly reasonable to film preteens in public if they’re acting like assholes, or if you get into a confrontation with them and they attempt to accuse you of trying to molest them.

A cursory perusal of my output on this website will reveal that I’m a pretty hardcore statist. Kids should be doing way better things with their time than bothering productive adults in public, acting like shit-heads, and that means somebody is going to need to make them.

I believe that my theory is the most plausible of the available explanations I’ve considered.

At no point in my life have I ever been a libertarian.

I register a strong prediction that anyone referred to as 'Bulgarian' is actually 'Bulgarian', including if they stand accused of serious crimes.

As I mentioned in another comment, gypsies alone probably constitute up to 10-11% of Bulgaria’s population, and then an additional 8-9% are Turks, so you’re looking at up to a fifth of its population that’s visibly non-Bulgarian. Yes, Bulgaria is poor and its native Slavic population is far from impressive in terms of development, but it’s still the case that a Bulgarian committing crimes abroad has a strong probability of being non-ethnically-Bulgarian.

What makes you think that? They seem to be mostly running away in the video.

Yes, this is extremely typical of teenage troublemakers. The second the threat of consequences or being caught/embarrassed appears, their brash aggression is replaced by the performance of fear and vulnerability.

So what? A twelve year old yelling at people is not a police matter, even if she has a hatchet.

So it’s not a police matter, but also regular civilians are not supposed to intervene or even film? This is a recipe for utter chaos and disorder.

The Bulgars, much like the Magyars whose language managed to persist in Hungary, did not intermarry with, and thus left little to no genetic impact on, their Slavic subjects. What did leave a Turkic ancestral legacy (and the legacy of Islam) in the Balkans was the Ottoman Empire, which conquered the Slavic Bulgarians in the 14th century. Many in the Balkans today do have some Turkic ancestry, but it’s not because of the early medieval Turkic confederations, which were Turkic only at the most elite levels.

I suspect that the kids were walking about acting disorderly, yelling at people and/or waving weapons around.

This is a terrible response to public disorder. These youths are able to get away with this stuff precisely because of the attitude of resigned acceptance with which they’re treated by passersby.

If you hear about a sexual assault case in Greenland, you probably shouldn't assume the perpetrator was brown.

A terrible example; Greenland’s population is almost 90% Inuit, and they’re pretty damn brown. Were you thinking of Iceland?

See @jkf’s post above. Also Bulgaria is full of gypsies. Same with how when you see that a crime was committed by a Romanian immigrant, your mind should immediately cast toward a brown gypsy, not a white ethnic Romanian. (Although certainly there are ethnic Romanian criminals as well.)

That’s not remotely the same as your straw-man claim.