Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
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Wheel of Fish from UHF
Clearly trying to accelerate our national Cold Civil War into a Hot War.
But I do consider the argument that "this other behavior I engage is inconsistent with someone who hates [x]" as fully discredited, because it's neither engaging with the actual accusation nor engaging with the reality of cognitive dissonance.
Which “actual accusation” are you referring to? I obviously agree that the expansion of “hatred” to mean “supports policy positions which are less-than-maximally-optimal for some specific group” is a transparently bogus rhetorical trick.
Therefore, I am simply refusing to engage with it at all, and instead sticking to an intuitive definition of “hatred”: i.e. sustained negative emotions toward a particular individual or group, desire to see that individual or group come to harm, an aversion to interpersonal interactions with that individual or group, a belief that the individual or group is bad/harmful/obnoxious, etc. Under this understanding of hatred, it would take a pretty mighty and resolute level of cognitive dissonance to intentionally form a long-term intimate relationship with a member of the hated group. Yes, people are capable of cognitive dissonance, but for most people cognitive dissonance is resolved over time.
In the case of a [person who hates white men, married to a white man], that dissonance could be resolved in one of two directions: either the positive qualities of the white spouse, and the continued exposure to positive interactions with the spouse’s white family members and social circles would erode the degree of “hatred” felt by the anti-white spouse over time; or the relationship would break down over time as the white spouse emergent displays the qualities which the anti-white spouse suspected whites of possessing in the first place, or the friction involved with sustained aversive reactions with the white spouse’s white family and friends would cause the anti-white spouse to develop aversive emotions toward the white spouse, even if none were present at the start of the relationship.
Since Kamala has been married to Doug Emhoff for 11 years, presumably even if she hated white men when they got married, she doesn’t anymore. If she still did, I find it highly unlikely that the “compartmentalization” or “cognitive dissonance” which you propose exists would long ago have broken down and some inciting incident or slow buildup of aversive incidents would have caused the breakdown of the relationship.
In an American context, Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are white, have always been white, and have never been considered anything other than white. One silver lining of America having so many laws throughout its history clearly delineating who counts as white and who doesn’t (which was relevant for determining things like who got to marry whom, who got access to which parts of public infrastructure, and even at times who was considered for citizenship) is that we can see exactly who counted as white and who didn’t! In the South, for example, there is a very long history of Jewish businessmen and slave traders, as well as Jewish politicians (such as Judah P. Benjamin, a member of the Confederate States Cabinet) which could not have been the case in such a racially-stratified society if those men were not universally recognized as white!
But, I'll reiterate, I've never actually observed this happening anywhere.
You are observing it right now, in this very conversation. And in fact you have observed it many times; the entire reason that progressives had to invent this galaxy-brain contrarian psychobabble you’re regurgitating is because so many normal people intuitively recognized that someone who hates X is actually pretty unlikely to form a long-term intimate relationship with an X. This view has not been “discredited”. It remains true, and you have let Social Science™️ enjoyers gaslight you into believing that “Oh, everyone knows that’s been discredited.” It has not! The contrarian critical theory take is actually just wrong!
I don't think I've ever seen being married to [x] as being genuinely interpreted as evidence against hatred against [x].
Sure you have. In fact it seems like a very strong piece of evidence against hatred.
You’re repeating a lot of progressive psychobabble, but the on-the-ground reality is that in the vast majority of cases, an individual who is motivated by a generalized hatred of a particular group is very unlikely to marry a member of that group. This is highly intuitive because of what marriage usually entails. You are not just marrying an atomized individual; you are marrying into a family, a social sphere, an inherited community, etc. By marrying a (Jewish) white man, Kamala committed to spending the next decades of her life surrounded by his white in-laws, his white friends, his white children from a previous marriage, the mostly white people who are part of whatever hobbies and social spaces he inhabits, etc.
Presumably Kamala Harris was not facing the binary choice of A) marry Doug Emhoff or B) die alone. She could have had her pick of plenty of well-placed non-white men. The fact that she chose Emhoff, knowing that by doing so she’d be inviting a large number of white men to become intimately involved with her life, is a pretty strong indicator that she does not in fact hate white men, does not want to limit the number of white men in her life, etc.
my impression was that she genuinely hates white men
I loathe Kamala as much as anyone here and have said so many times, but this seems like an odd accusation given that she’s married to a white man.
Linda Sarsour, perhaps?
jeans are real practical and comfortable
Jeans are absolutely not “American red tribe culture.” They were invented by two Jewish immigrants in San Francisco, and popularized as casual wear by urban greasers in the 1950s and 1960s.
country music is easy to inculturate and you can dance to it, etc.
This is only true if you strip it of much of the sociocultural content that was central to country music for much of its existence. The oeuvre of Conway Twitty is not global dance music. Country can only be made into a global commodity by converting it into “generically lower-middle-class music with aspirationally-American characteristics.”
He seems formidable! The puzzle-making background seems to really help him on wordplay categories, anagrams, etc.
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
Imagine the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys had just been murdered by a deranged Eagles fan.
When @FiveHourMarathon finally snaps and takes things too far, your comment will be used to link this site to stochastic terrorism.
On the other hand, shows that have LONG outlived their relevance (IMHO) like Jeopardy
How so? At the very least, Jeopardy! will (and must) remain relevant until I’ve had my opportunity to compete on the show. And then, if I do well enough to be invited to any future in-show tournaments, its relevance will continue going strong indefinitely.
I’m not trying to do a gotcha. I’m pointing out that a specific claim you made was wildly overblown. I’m not trying to be insightful or even attack the edifice of your post in any holistic way. I’m literally just focused on that specific claim, which I think was inaccurate.
You made an over-broad claim, I countered it with actual evidence, and now you’re acting flabbergasted that I took your claim seriously enough to refute it, instead of treating it like the empty bluster it apparently was.
I did read the contents. There are many of the Columbine-style mass shootings nestled in there among the personal beefs. Again, do you acknowledge that things like Kerch Polytechnic, Kazan, and Izhevsk (just to name three from Russia alone) are Columbine-style school shootings?
How about the École Polytechnic shooting in Montreal, which happened before Columbine? Or the Dawson College shooting, also in Montreal? Or the La Loche shootings in Saskatchewan?
Before Columbine, nobody had ever heard of a school shooting, so nobody did school shootings (and even today, outside America, nobody does them).
This is, of course, plainly false. Here’s a list of school shootings in Europe, another list from Canada, and one from Brazil. Russia alone has had a number of notable school shootings, including the Kerch Polytechnic shooting and the Kazan school shooting/bombing.
I definitely agree that this distinction is useful, although frankly if the Chinese air force could pull off a strike with such precision that they could blow up the Dalai Lama’s house without hitting anything else around it, I’d have to just say “well played”. I’d be more mad at my own government for not being able to intercept it.
If they had bombed the college basketball stadium or the NYC auditorium at which I saw him speak, would that have been acceptable?
If the ChiComs bombed an entire baseball stadium or auditorium, packed with civilians, I would consider this an act of war. It would evince a grievously callous lack of regard for civilian lives. However, if they planted a bomb on the Dalai Lama’s limo and blew it up, killing only the inhabitants of that car, I would see this as a legitimate act which could be smoothed over diplomatically.
Similarly, if the Ukrainians shot down Putin’s plane over American airspace, I would not consider it an overly aggressive act against American sovereignty; it would be an obviously targeted act against an indisputable geopolitical foe of theirs, and if the only collateral damage to America was embarrassment about our lack of airspace security, that would be something I could live with.
Given the distance at which he was shot, I’d be surprised if the shooter could hear anything he was saying.
That wasn’t an example of ideologically-motivated violence, so far as we can tell. The attempted killer was a former professional associate of the victims who seems to have gone nuts.
Only in one direction is there a grisly history of racially-motivated lynchings.
We do in fact have a history of racially-motivated killings of whites by blacks, such as the Zebra murders. Are they on the same numerical scale? Certainly not. But I don’t know why the question of historical scale would necessarily impact your priors about the likelihood that any individual was motivated by racial animus. (Particularly given the documented fact that this individual did, in fact, draw attention to race literally immediately after committing the crime.)
why shouldn’t they be willing to live selflessly for a Christ that has no supernatural aspects?
A Christ shorn of his supernatural aspects is just a charismatic ascetic who bamboozled some poor and sick people by saying spooky unverifiable nonsense. Judged purely by his personality characteristics and by the very limited record of his non-supernatural deeds, he does not come off as some great hero, nor even a stellar lifestyle role model. (He died unmarried, childless, and with seemingly no wealth, possessions, or notable professional achievements.)
I am facing this exact problem right now as I am trying to seek a religious tradition and community. Reading the Bible, I am struck yet again by how little the figure of Christ resonates with me. If one cannot bring oneself to take the leap of faith to believe that he truly was exactly what he said he was and all of his prophecies are of deep import, then it’s easy to interpret the Gospels and Acts as the record of a bunch of fairly reasonable local institutions displaying a quite healthy fear of a revolutionary doctrine urging their populace to leave their jobs and families to go follow a madman ascetic into the desert.
The faith which I’m currently earnestly investigating (Mormonism) believes that Jesus Christ was sent to earth to, among other things, set the example of the Perfect Man; humans can progress toward divinity by striving to emulate the example set by him and to try to become more Christ-like. But the best I can muster regarding Christ is that he was an example, among others, of a life path worth emulating. Certainly he has admirable characteristics — his charitable spirit toward the downtrodden, his interpersonal leadership skills, his obvious self-control and abstention from vice — but we absolutely do not want every individual in our society to attempt to emulate his life or deeds as closely as possible. There are other figures, historical or religious/mythological, who ought to be seen as equally valid life models worthy of emulation.
No, I don’t think he gets flagged. Again, nothing that looks bad on camera, just your standard on-field verbal stuff that goes on throughout the entire game and doesn’t get captured unless a guy is mic’d up. (And then even if he is, the team just edits the hell out of whatever audio they capture.) Unless Dak said the same thing to a ref, in which case he’d get flagged.
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