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21d ago
Speaking as likely the only person in this forum who has ever dug ditches alongside illegal immigrants, I would expect it to be much, much lower. If you've been here for 11 years and the best you've got is waiting outside Home Depot, you probably utterly suck.
And that's beside the point. The number of people who are estimated to have come in during the last 4 years is comparable to the total prior illegal population.
Do you think all of the previous ones dipped during the Biden administration?
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21d ago
Have you ever tried to have a conversation with someone who has little-to-no English language skills about something? It's entirely possible the dude repeated a combination of sounds back at the officer without really understanding what he was saying. Or that he was knowingly admitting to skipping border checkpoints.
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21d ago
Ah. My sympathies. I've been there. If anything, I think you're understating the magnitude of the problem.
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21d ago
I'd buy it. But I'd also push-back that it was a one-way street and that conservatives had no agency in the matter. It's almost as if it would be convenient that academic institutions were one day able to be simply "deleted" for wrong-think.
The situation seems to model as a cooperate/defect situation. Leftists were able to gain a foothold precisely because enough of the old guard were swayed by arguments about academic freedom and the free exchange of ideas. And enough of those leftists do not return that consideration that they were able to slowly grind out their outgroup.
We've seen the same dynamic play out in a thousand venues, from forums to corporations.
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21d ago
It was the first result when I searched. The incident is being reported elsewhere as well. If it's verified, are you going to adjust in favor of the Daily Caller being more reliable, and many other media sources engaging in deception by omission?
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21d ago
Transporting 8 illegal aliens from Texas to Maryland in a way that seems suggestive of organization and planning. I think coyotes hiding people in the frames of vehicles to sneak them across the border is a reasonable use case of the term. Carpooling to the Home Depot parking lot, OTOH, is very much not. This case seems somewhere in the middle, probably a bit closer to the former.
Is there a better term you'd suggest instead?
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21d ago
Maybe I am inclined to believe that those who seek truth for the sake of truth do tend to come out with a "liberal" bias.
Stick around, new kid. Time in this community will thoroughly disabuse you of that notion, presuming you can avoid the traditional leftwinger meltdown and flounce-out when you realize that other people are going to continue to be allowed to argue back.
I am curious, though, is your theory that the Long March Through Institutions was a concerted effort, with agents who collaborated and took specific actions? Or one that happened more "naturally" due to the perverse incentives of a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_education](liberal education)?
Prospiracy with significant conspiracy elements. Something like a third of professors openly admit they would refuse to approve of the hiring of a conservative, no matter how qualified. Iterate that attitude for the better part of a century and here we are.
The thing it's revealing is a familiarity with the concept of "isolated demand for rigor". For example, if this were a truly good faith position, I might expect ameliorating statements along the lines of "Missing one administrative step in 100,000 cases is actually very impressive. Even with this screw-up, this is vastly better than expected for ANY government action."
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21d ago
Edit: so if there's already 2 in this tiny space, I'm guessing there are at least 10s of thousands of us.
Nah, this community is specifically a locus for principled civil libertarians - or at least it was before they started getting black-pilled by the isolated demands for civil principles. The presence of such people here is not indicative of their popularity in wider society.
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21d ago
Neat. When are the courts going to clarify how much power they have to drive foreign policy like that?
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21d ago
result of the due process he was entitled
What exactly does this mean to you? I feel like everyone arguing this is just treating "due process" as an incantation. The part of the process that was missed was that they were supposed to fill out an extra form before doing exactly what they did.
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21d ago
The number of illegal immigrants in the US has stayed pretty constant over the past couple decades
Why do you think this is true? There was a huge spike in illegal and quasi-legal immigration during the Biden administration.
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21d ago
You seem to have strange assumptions about people's state of mind when the first thing you think of when someone engages in PR to help return a family member from a notoriously violent prison to the country they were illegally deported from is that they are "chasing a fat legal payout" instead of maybe wanting to help out their family member who had an injustice done to them. Of course her children having quoted "disabilities" is further evidence for this somehow, alright.
Did you miss the details where the wife in question filed a restraining order against him for repeatedly beating her to the point of injury? That seems to have ended in dismissal when she didn't show for the final hearing, so maybe she was just playing games.
Apparently it is "my brain on legalism" to demand due process and rule-following from the authority that governs everyone's lives and controls untold power. The founders would be seizing in their graves.
"Brain on legalism" is a nice way to say "I think a lot of people are full of self-serving shit". Are you one of the three genuinely principled civil libertarians who is also routinely incensed at, e.g., Democrat governors blatantly ignoring court orders regarding the 2nd Amendment?
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21d ago
If you read to the end of the linked article, he seemingly was released, except possibly for an unrelated drunk driving charge, the article gets a little vague there.
ICE should have flagged him at the border,
I'm hypothesizing that he came in the same way as his illegal friends and never stopped at a border checkpoint. I don't actually know who is responsible for dealing with a US citizen who has been hopping borders without bothering with any of that pesky visa/passport business. Google searching does seem to indicate ICE being involved in those investigations. Florida holding him for a reasonable time frame until ICE can question him about that seems like it would be germane to solving a potential visa/passport issue.
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21d ago
Search for "Karmelo Anthony". The comments on his substantial GoFundMe are wild.
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21d ago
Speak for yourself. I truly do not get the visceral disgust people experience from hearing other accents or languages.
It's not aimless disgust. It's frustration. Thick accents make communication difficult. They add friction to every aspect of an interaction. I don't dislike foreign-born doctors because I just think they're icky for no reason because I'm vanilla and lame. I dislike them because I have to strain every scrap of my ability to parse what the hell they're saying, and a misunderstanding might actually be a very big deal.
Imagine spending a few hours providing customer service for Karens who speak English at a roughly kindergarten level. Imagine spending fifteen minutes and using multiple devices with translators, to try to explain the difference between a square and a circle to a woman who just looks at you sadly, says "No comprendo...", and then goes back to asking for a square circle.
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21d ago
Lucky for us that was provided "If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order. See 8 C.F.R. See 8 C.F.R. § 208.24(f) (requiring that the government prove "by a preponderance of evidence" that the alien is no longer entitled to a withholding of removal)."
So if they do this tomorrow via zoom call, you're going to switch sides on the debate and boldly battle the people claiming that bad things have happened?
From a legal perspective, yes. There's a reason why the courts (including this Reagan appointed Bush supported conservative judge) have been so consistent here.
I'm excited just imagining all the consistency!
Due process applies to government taking action, it is a limit on the ability of government to do what it pleases to people in its jurisdiction.
The government took many actions that it pleased to people in it's jurisdictions in facilitating the 10-30 million.
One easy way to help for instance would be to stop paying El Salvador to hold him there.
Do we have any evidence that this is the case beyond Van Hollen claiming that the ES VP told him this? Given the TdA people we are paying for, that seems like a situation with a high likelihood for misunderstandings.
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21d ago
In a city in which he has never lived?
I'm not sure the inter-national criminal gang is super strict about territoriality. But sure, adjust in a slightly less probable direction.
Source?
Abrego García was pulled over because the vehicle was observed “speeding and unable to maintain its lane,” according to the documents. Abrego García had an expired Maryland “limited term temporary driver’s license,” which is provided to individuals who are not U.S. citizens, authorities said.
The officer identified eight other individuals in the vehicle and Abrego García advised that he was driving them from Texas to Maryland, according to the documents. None of the passengers had any luggage and all provided the same home address, which was Abrego Garcia’s address, authorities said.
Abrego García allegedly pretended to speak less English than he was capable of and attempted to confuse the officer by responding to the officer’s questions with his own.
Sounds a fair bit like international-criminal gang coyote type work. So maybe re-adjust in a more probable direction.
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21d ago
I remember something like it happening once during the first Trump administration. Guy was born in Texas to a Mexican immigrant mother. Details are fuzzy, but the gist was that the mother was playing games with the son's citizenship status when he was little to make it easier to travel back and forth from Texas to Mexico and didn't actually have proof that he was an American citizen. The situation ended up getting resolved after it made the news, and a retired maternity nurse remembered the mother and scrounged up some sort of personal memento (thank you note on hospital letterhead or something) that helped confirm the guy's status.
From your first link:
The 20-year-old’s first language is Tzotzil, a Mayan language, and he took a long pause when he was asked if he wanted to hire a private attorney or obtain a public defender. He lived in Mexico from the time he was 1-year-old until four years ago, when he returned to Georgia, his mother told the Phoenix.
I wonder if there's some similar thing where even though he's a citizen, he traveled internationally in less-than legal methods.
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21d ago
because
he wore a chicago bulls hata confidential informant of purportedly verified reliability named him as a ranked member of the gang.
Also, he got stopped doing what looked rather like human trafficking in 2022, but the Biden FBI told the locals to let him go.
Arguments surrounding the guy's immigration status are irrelevant here. At no point has the administration argued that its obligations would be any different were he an American citizen; it's taken a firm stance that the court has no authority to compel the executive to return someone held by a foreign government. Period.
I'm sorry, but this seems so stupid it's hard to take it seriously. Are you somehow under the impression that orders for deportation are routinely assigned against American citizens?
Does every legal document regarding the sentencing of a convicted criminal to prison have a clause specifying that the government is NOT claiming the ability to randomly throw innocent people in jail? Or do we just assume that people aren't completely retarded?
it's taken a firm stance that the court has no authority to compel the executive to return someone held by a foreign government.
Yes? Obviously? Do you think the courts can, e.g., force the executive to take any and all actions necessary to effectuate the release of, say, Britney Griner?
If the court sides with the administration, there's nothing preventing Trump from deciding that it's easier to send a high-profile citizen criminal to El Salvador than to provide the due process the law affords him.
Are you claiming there are absolutely no legal restrictions on the US government kidnapping and black bagging citizens?
Every citizen is entitled to due process, unless the government decides he isn't is not the hallmark of a free society.
We already live in a society where the government can have minor citizens obliterated from the sky with no due process.
And you ignored all of the questions I asked. I'm inclined to think you don't actually have any kind of a real theory of the law here, and are just flailing out of raw oppositional sentiment.
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21d ago
If the government took steps to only send him to El Salvador after getting the withholding order revoked by due process, that would be a dramatic improvement to the current state of affairs.
So we can clean all this up with a quick Zoom call then? Don't even need to actually get him out of the prison.
Given that we are paying El Salvador to hold him, presumably we have some say in this. For starters, we could stop paying.
So judges have the authority to detonate international agreements like this? Our foreign policy is determined by any district judge who feels like weighing in?
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21d ago
Exactly what due process do people think was missed? The guy had multiple days in court, and had a standing deportation order, no? If the government managed to bring him back, sticks him before an immigration judge who says "Your asylum claims are no longer valid due to changed facts on the ground, assuming they ever were, it's fine to execute the deportation order to El Salvador", then is everyone who is upset about this going to nod sagaciously and be satisfied that due process was followed? If they get him out of El Salvador and dump him six feet across the border in Honduras, does that fix everything?
How much due process in general needs to be given to each of the 10-30 million illegal immigrants? There was certainly no due processes when they came in; can we hold the entire Biden administration and Democrat party in contempt?
Back to Garcia, what "options" remain after the government of El Salvador has declined to release him? Do the courts expect special forces to exfiltrate a foreign national from a foreign prison?
I'm honestly baffled how people justify this to themselves as anything other than naked "rules for thee but not for me". Does it actually feel, inside, like standing on principle and not just grasping at any procedural trick at hand?
This great man expressed his unflagging belief that "[t]he very basis of our individual rights and freedoms is the certainty that the President and the Executive Branch of Government will support and [e]nsure the carrying out of the decisions of the Federal Courts." Id. at 3. Indeed, in our late Executive's own words, "[u]nless the President did so, anarchy would result." Id.
Let whosoever among you has demanded prosecution for Blue State governors who ignore the clear and plain SC rulings on the 2nd Amendment be the first to speak up.
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21d ago
It’s largely aesthetic reasons, but grad-student TAs who speak unintelligible English are a well-known and yet unaddressed practical problem.
Professors, too. I once bombed a midterm in an otherwise easy A math class because the professor asked the literal exact opposite of what he thought he was asking for a major section of the exam. Apparently he noted nothing amiss when all the best students got 100% of the questions in that section wrong.
Great. I'm sure you have a large backlog of posts making this same point at progressives, right? Are you familiar with the concept of an "isolated demand for rigor"?
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