Ioper
1d ago
Private group chats obviously, that's where almost all conversation has moved already.
Sweet, by that definition Stockholm city (not the urban or metropolitan area which are not as dense) is suburban.
Ioper
4d ago
Is the paganism really a problem or the specific Paganism at play here, or possibly the people being pagan.
Are the Muslim subcontinentals less of an issue to you? Are east Asian pagans as much of an issue?
Ioper
5d ago
But a lot of this does seem like a bit of cope the HSR to nowhere certainly feels so as most of the Subway stations to nowhere now have bustling new development around them and most of the ghost citeies have filled up.
There is a difference between within city transit and between city transit. There have been tons of railway overbuilds historically but within city public transit is rarely meaningfully overbuilt. The economic case for between city HSR is generally very poor, there just isn't enough potential transit to justify the massive costs.
Between city travel should generally either be slower trains, cars or air traffic. It isn't that transit or even rail transit is bad, it's just that the economic case for HSR in particular is very narrow.
Ioper
5d ago
Except of course that there aren't many subcontinentals coming here and they're still disliked... People aren't complaining about subcontinentals due to displacement but because they dislike them. The situation is different from the Anglophone world.
Just because displacement is a cause for animosity doesn't mean that there aren't other causes and that different groups are perceived differently relative to each other.
As I said, the dynamic isn't unique but it also doesn't mean that the relative badness and the particular dynamics of the changing immigration of a specific group leads to a worsening impression of the specific group.
Also, there are tons of groups that caused very limited friction when they immigrated and it has limited correlation with how "familiar" the group is.
There are cultures that are bad and my contention is that subcontinental culture (I should have said that originally instead of Indian because much of the same issues exists for Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Indians, and often regardless of religion) is both worse and that immigration from the subcontinent scales worse than from other relevant immigration sources, especially for white collar labour.
Over here in Sweden subcontinentals aren't a very big group but despite this they're still easily the most disliked and made fun of group in workplace environments.
Ioper
5d ago
People deeply dislike Indian culture. The more they are exposed the less they like it.
When Indians came in small highly selected numbers then it was fine, they both contributed and assimilated. Then they started coming in greater numbers and lower quality.
These are issues that to some extent exists with pretty much all immigration but here they are worse because Indian culture genuinely is worse than most others, the median Indian is worse than most other groups (which when selection decreases leads to worse outcomes than for other groups), they interact with white collar people and ruin their environments as opposed to those of the working class.
Much of this is down to the scale of the immigration. When it reaches critical mass of sustained immigration then people no longer need to integrate and when the culture is deeply unpleasant and unadmirable to the host nation then the problem magnifies.
I never plan much when I go on vacation, usually I have like 1-2 things I want to do when I go for a week and let the rest be spontaneous.
My father-in-law does a minute plan whenever he travels. It can be fun following him around for like a day but then it gets exhausting and counter to the purpose of going on vacation in the first place (for me).
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