KingOfTheBailey
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KingOfTheBailey
1d ago
Yes, it's very useful for skill development, and it's really fun dancing with women who know both roles and can pass the lead back and forth during a song.
KingOfTheBailey
1d ago
This happens in any space that doesn't intentionally filter by gender.
Larger social dance events like full weekends of workshops and parties are one of the few places that does this obviously and explicitly and still gets away with it, by selling "leader passes" and "follower passes".
KingOfTheBailey
1d ago
Observation: Part of the objections to the emergence of "romantasy" is that it is addictive, low-consumption-effort smut and that the fanfiction world has put out a functionally infinite amount of it. And the objections around the way a certain type of woman relates to that sort of writing mirrors the way a certain type of man relates to video pornography. So I think reading isn't as far removed as it might first appear.
KingOfTheBailey
2d ago
If you've been at it for a few years, presumably you're in some of the intermediate/advanced classes. You allude to the social dancing also, but I'd be interested in a specific breakdown of the ratio between beginner classes and the more advanced classes and the social floors. I'd also be interested to hear what the vibe's been like among those men, particularly the newer ones - do they seem like they're interested in dancing or just pulling?
It'll be interesting to see how long this lasts. IME, dancing scenes don't stay tilted towards an excess of men for very long, as the etiquette of asking women to dance means men either get in each other's way asking women to dance, or get no dances at all. In the reverse case, where there's an excess of women, the men are busy dancing, and surplus women often dance with each other or get asked to dance the next song or the one after.
KingOfTheBailey
2d ago
On subsequent visits, a (+X) comment next to the thread on the main page, which is much higher contrast than the 0 comments label.
KingOfTheBailey
2d ago
I love 50% of your list, and haven't watched the other 50%, but it's all going on my list.
KingOfTheBailey
5d ago
Was it the part that went, "there's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium, ..."?
KingOfTheBailey
6d ago
I choose to believe that it's also because they're beautiful and cherished.
KingOfTheBailey
7d ago
Har har, very good.
KingOfTheBailey
7d ago
The problems are indeed systemic but I disagree that uplifting individuals is not worth trying. One: I think the relationship market just isn't clearing for a lot of heterosexual men and women. It is not a waste to help any individual man or woman see the problems clearly and learn how they can improve themselves and their partner selection. I think there are a lot of people whose current offer to the relationship market is "not acceptable" because they're unhealthy or insipid or have the women on a pedestal or want a bro-friend-with-tits to play vidya and screw occasionally or think that a 6-6-6 man is going to fall into her life or that being a bitch is attractive or. Getting those people in shape and having productive dates before they burn out and join MGTOW or buy a dozen cats is not zero sum. Two: at the very least if you are one source of truth in a world of lies you can help people without them having to waste years. Third: none of us are going to get access to the magic book that lets us rewrite society's scripts, but we might be able to help the lives of some of the people we touch (if they're ready to hear it).
Breast cancer gets so much more funding because everyone cares about women. This is also one factor influencing why women's social movements start so easily: pretty much everyone (normal, minus the lizardmen constant) loves and cares for women! (This is one reason I never bought the "patriarchal oppressor" framing — why do you think men call precious things like their cars "she"? Because they love women!) Other factors include structural support at all levels of society (from special departments at companies to special ministries in government) and an activist class that runs like a well-oiled machine which can be engaged to support women as well as other causes de jour.
You could argue that this is downstream of instinctual/cultural small-group behavior and it probably is.
KingOfTheBailey
7d ago
KingOfTheBailey
7d ago
We don't choose who we're attracted to, but we do choose how to act on it. Being a floozy should be just as shameful as being a cad.
One really big problem is that it's hard to offer men a compelling alternative to grifters like Tate, who promise a buffet of pussy, fast cars, and shiny toys. The role of "respected family patriarch" is off the table for obvious reasons, but we could at the very least stop lying to young men and maybe it'd stop them from turning to the grifters. Yes, being strong and competent will help. Almost no women will give you a direct signal of interest unless you're extremely attractive or she's extremely keen on you, so learn the subtle ones. Hit the gym. Learn to dance. Broaden your interests. Do interesting things. Be interesting. Learn to talk about it. Despite all the culture warring, men are still generally expected to be extremely agentic, so teaching them how to be more attractive should pay dividends.
Actually, we should teach both boys and girls how to partner dance so they can spend more time in each other's personal space without freaking out. Hell, they might even like it and decide they like each other.
I know it's not practical to implement, but we do need to teach the girls too. Men need to initiate, that's just the way it is, but then women then have the responsibility of turning men down graciously if they're being courted in good faith. I remember being an awkward teenager and once asking a stunningly beautiful waitress for her number. She turned me down, saying something like "I have a boyfriend, but that took balls. Girls like that." It was an unambiguous but positive rejection, and didn't cost her anything.
KingOfTheBailey
10d ago
Yes. By the end of it, when I'd managed to pull my head out of my ass and shake off the harmful memes from both the feminists and the redpillers. Before I started dating the girl who I'm hopefully going to marry, my final dates were "that was a good time, you're really interesting but you're not for me. I genuinely wish you the best."
KingOfTheBailey
10d ago
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
So am I claiming that the feminist war on “nice guys” is totally uncorrelated with the existence of the manosphere?
No. I’m saying the causal arrow goes the opposite direction from the one B’s suggesting. As usual with gender issues, this can be best explained through a story from ancient Chinese military history.
Chen Sheng was an officer serving the Qin Dynasty, famous for their draconian punishments. He was supposed to lead his army to a rendezvous point, but he got delayed by heavy rains and it became clear he was going to arrive late. The way I always hear the story told is this:
Chen turns to his friend Wu Guang and asks “What’s the penalty for being late?”
“Death,” says Wu.
“And what’s the penalty for rebellion?”
“Death,” says Wu.
“Well then…” says Chen Sheng.
And thus began the famous Dazexiang Uprising, which caused thousands of deaths and helped usher in a period of instability and chaos that resulted in the fall of the Qin Dynasty three years later.
The moral of the story is that if you are maximally mean to innocent people, then eventually bad things will happen to you. First, because you have no room to punish people any more for actually hurting you. Second, because people will figure if they’re doomed anyway, they can at least get the consolation of feeling like they’re doing you some damage on their way down.
KingOfTheBailey
12d ago
I wonder what the downstream effects will be of having all this wrongthink going into the training corpuses of these bots?
KingOfTheBailey
13d ago
However, the demand that other people refer to you with a specific designation is not really a natural right, and in fact, suppressing or compelling the speech of others is a violation of other people's rights to free speech.
And these are exactly the rights that the trans lobby is asking from legislatures, community groups, and everywhere else. The invented right to compel speech from others regardless of their interlocutors' right to free speech, and the right to force themselves into women-only spaces (including but not limited to sporting teams, change rooms, lesbian communities) over women's right to freedom of association.
In Australia, the Lesbian Action Group (a gender-critical feminist-separatist organization) is currently in the Federal Court against the Australian Human Rights Commission, appealing the AHRC's decision to deny LAG an exemption under the Sex Discrimination Act that LAG sought, to be able to hold women-only events.
The more this has gone on, the more I think the evidence points toward the activist vanguard of the trans lobby being mostly autogynephilic men for whom the primary source of "euphoria" is an ongoing need for active validation from outside that "yes, you are a real woman". Whether this is from physically intimidating smaller women into silence, getting the state involved (example: Jonathan Yaniv and his "wax my ladyballs" crusade), or participating in (and often dominating) women-only community groups and sports.
Under this lens, the fact that the licence says M and not F is a reminder, constantly carried in that person's wallet, that the validation is incomplete. That this is intolerable to that person should be obvious.
Why the quotes around biological reproductive system? Are biological reproductive systems not a well-defined, scientifically-grounded concept?
It seems obvious to me, given how well you picked apart the "masterclass in lying" sentence above it. The author is doing motte-and-bailey with punctuation: it's scare-quoted in the hope that the reader learns to flinch away from it as a fnord, but defensible as a direct quote from the regulation or statute.
KingOfTheBailey
14d ago
bemoaning that the NHL is 44% Republican
Reminds me of that ad about female homelessness ("1 in 4 homeless are women" — presumably the others are sexless automatons). Here, there's a good chance some of them are unregistered so it's not going to be 56:44 D:R split, but still. A very strong message of "you aren't allowed to have anything of your own" (or step 3 of the "you do not fit in here" cycle).
It’s been terrible to watch patriotism and sports alike both claimed and weaponized by the right. Pride in one’s nation shouldn’t inherently be tied to one political movement
Astounding that this is said so unironically after all the efforts to move sports under the rainbow flag, e.g. the Football is Gay campaign, the recent brouhaha over the superbowl, the Last Supper in Drag at the Paris Olympics, ....
KingOfTheBailey
16d ago
Guys at the bottom also have reason to defect, but rarely the capacity.
The story of Henry resonated with a lot of readers of Radicalizing the Romanceless, so I am not certain that this is the case. The top and bottom seem capable of defection for different reasons but the middle of the hierarchy get made into chumps.
KingOfTheBailey
28d ago
Perhaps they were giving a Straussian hint.
Extremely unlikely, IMHO.
KingOfTheBailey
28d ago
Don't forget Norwegian Reggaeton!
KingOfTheBailey
28d ago
We also know that Brianna Wu manufactured at least some of the "hate", because GG caught Wu forgetting to switch to a sockpuppet on the Steam forums.
I look forward to an effortpost in the Friday Fun Thread.
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