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LiberalRetvrn
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LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
why do you believe the government when it says "do not resist when police arrest you, if it's all a big mistake you will be released within a couple days at the most?"
I don't believe them by default, they earn that trust through transparency and independent oversight. And of course, there is always the threat of consequences if government becomes too authoritarian. ICE employees don't behave anything like normal police officers, and they haven't done anything to earn our trust. I know several of my local sheriffs by name, one of them even lives down the street. ICE agents are faceless and unaccountable, and they seem to report directly to the serial liar and criminal currently running the government. We have no obligation to "obey" them just because some federal law saws so.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
A cop... can't do that?
Ideally yes, I would expect the cop to put in more effort to defend himself non-lethally. Cops are supposed to be professionals at this, so I expect more from them than a random person walking down the street. That's what we're paying them for.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
This footage shows even more clearly to me that the ICE employee was at least negligent. Why was he filming with his cell phone if he felt she was an imminent threat? Why was he wandering around to the front of the car? Everyone seemed fairly calm until the other ICE employee starts yelling "get out of the fucking car" and charging up to the drivers' side door. I didn't hear the phrase "you're under arrest" anywhere in the video.
If ICE employees want to be treated like cops, maybe they should act more like cops. Wear proper body cameras instead of using a cell phone, have their faces visible, and identify their name and badge number when asked. Then maybe people would feel that it's safe to surrender when "arrested" by them.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
Tucker Carlson claimed Trump captured Maduro for the explicit purpose of legalizing gay marriage in Venezuela (???).
It sounds less ridiculous in the video. Probably Trump wasn't thinking about gay marriage specifically, but this operation has probably been planned before Trump took office. Ousting a conservative communist authoritarian is a big win for liberalism.
It's interesting to watch Tucker Carlson's evolution into a Strasserite conservative leftist. But I think for most of the general public, the reaction to Maduro's capture was similar to when we got Bin Laden. It was a brief moment when neoconservatives and neoliberals could put aside our differences to celebrate a great big American victory against the commies.
It is unambiguous given the videos that she did try to hit the officer
Well I saw the video and it looks obvious to me that she was trying to escape and drive around the ICE employees. I don't know why we would jump to the conclusion that a suburban, educated white woman would suddenly try to murder someone for no reason. Other people can interpret the subtle movements of the car's wheels differently, but it's far from "unambiguous".
nyTimes put out am [absurd] “forensic analysis” and determined she was trying to escape, which will never be questioned by the blue tribe ever
I don't need a NY Times analysis to know she was trying to escape, I can just watch the video and apply basic common sense and pattern recognition. Not everything is a media narrative, sometimes people just disagree about what happened.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
How are they "slave laborers"? They can leave or quit their jobs any time they want.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
misinformation
I really dislike this word. The government doesn't get to decide what is true and what is false. They may claim that everyone in ICE custody is accounted for, but I have no reason to believe them. Donald Trump is a serial liar, and so is everyone working for him.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
Should the Bostonians have considered not throwing snowballs at the redcoats? Probably, but I would still cheer them on if I were there in person. The world sometimes need excessively brave and stupid people.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
I don't see why it matters that this person was supposedly a "police officer." I disagree with calling ICE employees police officers, but even if he was, that doesn't give him special privileges. If you surround someone's car aggressively, it's understandable for them to react in a self-preserving manner. Even if the arrest is justified, no human can be blamed for not wanting to be detained. Almost every video I've seen of someone being arrested, they resist at least a little bit at first. Nobody likes to be in captivity.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
I don't get it. It looks like the wheels turn to the right before she starts moving forward. Clearly trying to avoid the ICE agent. Or is the first part of the clip reversed or something?
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
Do you think that it's a "basic freedom" to be allowed to live anywhere you want without citizenship or a visa?
Not necessarily. I'm just saying that I'm not convinced by the "other countries do it" argument. The question we should be asking is, what have we done so right that we're arguably the only country on earth with basic freedoms? I think our skepticism of federal authority has a lot to do with that. It's hard to enforce draconian immigration policies without infringing on our freedoms. In any situation where we have to choose between freedom and safety, we err on the side of freedom. I think a few people being murdered by illegal immigrants is a small price to pay.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
Police should have more duties than the general public, not fewer. That's what we're paying them for. The threshold for a cop shooting someone in self-defense should be higher than a normal citizen.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
Cities could assist with ICE warrants just as they assist with other federal law enforcement
My city has more important things to do than deporting our own labor force. The police aren't "forbidden", our sheriff is elected by the people, and the people don't want him to spend resources on this nonsense. That's democracy in its purest form. If people don't want to live in our city, they can leave and go to a city and/or state with policies they agree with. That's why states' rights is such a good system.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
I mean, I don't really agree with either person's decision-making here. I wouldn't have stepped in front of a running car as means of "stopping" it. I also wouldn't have tried to drive away if I were being arrested. And if I was standing in front of a moving car, I would prioritize jumping out of the way rather than shooting the driver, given how newtonian mechanics work.
So I agree that this woman's poor decisions got her shot, but that doesn't necessarily mean the officer is innocent. At best, he made a blunder that put himself in a position where he "needed" to use deadly force. But I think even that is debatable, because shooting the driver really has nothing to do with why he survived. He survived because he got out of the way of the car. He essentially shot the driver to stop her from escaping, which is questionable.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
America is the only major country on the planet where people think that basic immigration enforcement is evil.
America is also the only country on the planet that protects free speech and the right to bear arms. Maybe I'll care what those other countries are doing when they've established basic freedoms.
People are allowed to try to prevent their own murder.
And maybe she was trying to prevent her own murder as well? She just saw a group of masked thugs surrounding her car. How could she know it was safe to surrender to them?
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
well I don't care about minnesota, but in my state we need our illegals to pick crops. It's really that simple. If Trump actually deports them all it will be a major economic blow, and we have the right to maintain our way of life and our livelihoods. The US is meant to be a loose confederation of states that each run themselves how they see fit.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
I think red states enforcing checkpoints sounds like a better idea than forcing a federal solution on everyone. As much as possible, we should try to let states make their own policy and let people move to whichever state seems to be running most efficiently. That lets the maximum number of people live under policies they support. Slavery was morally egregious enough to justify a civil war, but it seems like a waste to risk starting one over a minor disagreement like this.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
Probably, but when aggressive people are surrounding your car, the flight or fight response might kick in. Being arrested by ICE is also not quite the same as being arrested by your local police department, since we don't really know what happens to everyone who goes into ICE custody. If the police are trying to arrest me unjustly, I would assume I'll get my day in court. But if ICE deports me to a costa rican gang prison it might be hard to prove my innocence.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
Cops should be willing to take some risks to serve and protect the public. Which most cops are, because they have a sense of civic responsibility to the town they live in. That's the problem with having masked federal agents roaming the country shoving random people into the back of a van. They don't know anyone in the neighborhood they're supposedly "policing", and they begin to see the people as pests getting in the way of meeting their monthly deportation quota.
This is exactly the kind of situation I was afraid of when ICE started running amok in states where they aren't wanted. I don't see how it can be a "narrative" when we point out that the thing happened that we warned would happen. Giving a paramilitary organization the power to make people disappear without due process was always a recipe for disaster. These ICE agents now appear to be so power-drunk that they are shooting unarmed white women, something normal cops very rarely do.
From what I can see in the video, the ICE agent chose to put himself in front of the SUV to block the woman from leaving. Then she called his bluff and began driving anyway. At that point, shooting her made no difference in his ability to survive the situation. Even if she were killed instantly by a headshot, the car would still have the same amount of momentum when it hit the officer. If anything, he could have gotten out of the way faster if he weren't dealing with his gun. I don't see any justification here.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
I never went to no drivers' ed class, but I'm not being "polite" to a police officer who is openly trying to charge me with something. The police are owed nothing from the citizens who pay their salaries. And ICE are not even police.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
The humanities are inherently biased. The instructor needs discretion to assign whatever grade they see fit on an assignment. Maybe other people submitted bad papers, but in that TA's estimation, those papers weren't as bad as the one that got a zero. Which makes sense, if they thought the paper was both low quality and morally reprehensible. If a Muslim student submitted a paper arguing for all infidels to be unalived, the grader should be allowed to be morally outraged and give a 0%. That's free speech for both parties - the student is allowed to say whatever they want in their paper, and the TA is free to evaluate the paper honestly.
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
American leftist college students may support Palestine, but that doesn't make actual Palestinian Muslims left wing. They are still religious fundamentalists who despise progressive values. Is there really such a difference between "old school antisemitism" and Muslim antisemitism?
LiberalRetvrn
1mo ago
There is no "strategy", it was one guy. If polemicists weren't taking security precautions for their public appearances until now, that's on them. Democrats had a Minnesota state rep shot and you don't hear us complaining about stochastic terrorism or whatever. That risk is part of being a public figure, especially in highly tense political times like we're in now.
She wasn't panicked until the other ICE employee wearing a balaclava charged in yelling "get out of the fucking car".
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