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OracleOutlook
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6hr ago
Think of the five year olds! It is a nice emotional appeal, but what does it actually mean?
My take on children who are not legally present is that they will either have a illegally present parent or their parents are in another country. It is a pretty weird edge case for one to have a legally present parent but somehow be illegally present themselves. If that is the case, then I 100% would prefer they become naturalized themselves over deportation.
If their parents are in another country, they were effectively kidnapped. They should be recovered and sent back to their parents.
If their parents are not legally present and have a final order of removal, then the child should also be deported with their parent. The fate of staying in the US and going into the foster system is not superior to keeping the child with their parents.
If the child was sent to stay with legally present relatives by their parents in another country, I still think it's better to send them back to their parents. How do we know that both parents consented to this? Otherwise we have to investigate a lot of domestic situations in other countries, which each might have their own custody laws, it's simpler and more ethical to send them back to their parents.
Ideally we would have a lot more family detention centers that look more like kindergartens than Alcatraz. We need a place to put kids and their guardians in a monitored and controlled way while we determine if they are even related to the people bringing them over the border. That would be my ideal. But deporting fewer five year olds seems like an odd goal when actually thought through.
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9hr ago
The atheist who says, "I don’t believe your religion is true, but according to your religion you should act this way," is usually cherry picking from one or two single aspects of the religion while ignoring all other concerns. A religion is a whole worldview, with many different factors held in tension. Justice AND Mercy, Freedom AND Obedience, Prudence AND Compassion.
Same with conservatism. There are many different principles that make up a conservative worldview, and trying to mount a logical argument while only considering one of them will not come across as intelligent. Arguing from a position someone actually holds will create a more convincing argument.
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1d ago
Whistleblowers claim they were retaliated against, see here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yyqdZT3J4qY
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1d ago
Yes, I wonder how this was resolved in the South when federal law forbade segregation.
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1d ago
Facial expressions are actually part of sign language. The sign meaning "late" has no facial expression attached to it, while the same hand movement accompanied by sticking out the tongue means "not yet." Other facial expressions add adverbs. Still others are the difference between a statement and a question.
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1d ago
Here are a few that I'm thinking of:
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Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding (18 U.S.C. § 111)
This statue criminalizes any act to "forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere with" a federal officer while they are performing their official duties. Even without physical contact, acts that "impede" or "intimidate" can be prosecuted as misdemeanors (up to 1 year in prison). If the harassment involves physical contact or the intent to commit another felony, it becomes a felony (up to 8 years in prison). If a weapon is used or serious injury occurs (like throwing an ice brick at someone), the penalty increases to up to 20 years.
People are definitely trying to impede Federal officers. They think they're "unarresting" people.. They actually succeed sometimes. This woman is here on camera saying that she harrassed federal agents in the process of arresting someone until they let the person go. She says, "dozens more [daily arrests] would be happening if it wasn't for the organized way that my community is showing up to stop these ICE agents. And we're scaring them."
I couldn't have written a better confession to this and the crimes below if I tried. -
Influencing or Injuring an Officer (18 U.S.C. § 1503)
This law makes it a crime to "endeavor to influence, intimidate, or impede" any officer of a U.S. court through threats or force. The key here is the "corrupt intent" to interfere with the due administration of the law. It is generally punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
Typically ICE would not be considered officers of the court. However, this statue may apply if the harassment is intended to influence a case currently in immigration court. -
Federal Stalking (18 U.S.C. § 2261A)
If the harassment involves a "course of conduct" (repeated acts) that places an officer or their family in reasonable fear of death or serious injury, it falls under federal stalking laws if any of these people are coming from out of state. This is typically a felony carrying up to 5 years, but can be much higher if bodily injury or death results.
A coordinated conspiracy to stalk and harass federal officers significantly escalates the legal consequences. When multiple people work together to interfere with federal law enforcement, the government can move beyond individual harassment charges and use powerful conspiracy and obstruction statutes.
In a conspiracy, every member can be held legally responsible for the actions of their co-conspirators, even if they weren't personally present for every act of harassment. One could argue that this is overpowered, surely not everyone on the Signal chat is intentionally committing a felony. Never the less, here's the law:
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Conspiracy to Impede or Injure an Officer (18 U.S.C. § 372)
This is the most direct statute for the Signal chat. It specifically targets groups (two or more people) who conspire to prevent a federal officer from performing their duties through force, intimidation, or threats. The penalty is up to 6 years in prison, plus fines. -
General Conspiracy to Defraud the U.S. (18 U.S.C. § 371)
While "defraud" sounds like financial crime, the "defraud clause" of this statute is broad. It covers any conspiracy to obstruct, interfere with, or impair the lawful functions of any federal agency. Working together to "defeat the lawful function" of the government (e.g., preventing the ICE or CBP from enforcing laws) carries a penalty of up to 5 years in prison. -
Obstruction of Justice (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(d)(3))
If the harassment is aimed at officers involved in an active investigation or court proceeding, it can be charged as obstruction.
Which leads us to:
- RICO Act (18 U.S.C. §§ 1961–1968)
If the group is highly organized and engages in a "pattern of racketeering activity" (which can include threats, or obstruction of justice), they could face charges under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. RICO can put people in prison for 20 years per count.
(Full Disclosure, I used Gemini to get the list together but I checked each statue to make sure there are no hallucinations and that I'm willing to defend the applicability of each one. Then I edited the output so it's mostly my words where it isn't US Code verbatim.)
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1d ago
Surely the Obama administration occasionally wrongfully detained a legal immigrant
Obama did more than that - he deported four US Citizens.
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1d ago
Firstly, as shown in many videos, ICE takes time out of their day to stop and question, photograph, detain, and arrest people for blowing whistles near them, yelling at them, and generally being annoying.
No, they don't take time out of their day. They are interrupted from performing their jobs by these people who are interfering with arrests.
The position of the administration, contrary to the law, appears to be that they can just arrest and detain anyone foreign present in the United States, even if they followed the rules. This is utterly lawless.
No, this is actually applying the law as written. Someone who applies for refugee status still does not have a right to walk freely in the United States. The law is for them to be detained until their case is processed. The problem is, we started letting these people out into the US on bond and everyone in the entire world learned that they do not have to follow US Immigration procedures but just had to show up at the border and say the magic words. Then the number of people applying for asylum got too big for us even consider detaining them all until their cases were evaluated.
Congress gave ICE explicit authority to revoke this bond for any reason, as there is no legal right to wander the United States if they are not citizens or here on one of the official visas.
Acting harshly here is the only way to stop the spurious asylum cases that ballooned under Biden.
If the economic opportunity were much more limited, nobody would jump the border if they couldn't feed themselves after!
In Sanctuary States, these people do not need jobs, they can have a US Citizen child and live on welfare. I would love for Federal mandated E-verify, but we cannot pretend that would solve every problem here. There would still be a need for targeted enforcement.
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1d ago
Should we discuss Signalgate? No, not the time Republican leaders embarrassed themselves by inviting a journalist into their private top secret (almost-literally) group chat. The new and improved Signalgate in Minnesota.
Many people have noted the coordinated nature of the "I'm-not-touching-you" mostly-non-violent stalking and harassing of ICE in Minnesota. I have also noted that included in their list of targets were just random people in the wrong kind of car.
Some conservative journalists and activists have been able gain access and insight to the method of coordination - a massive Signal chat where people divide into different roles and then join training sessions, read a manual, and then go off into the streets to take part in a coordinated effort to prevent ICE from arresting people and with the long term goal of ICE no longer enforcing bipartisan and popular federal law in the city of Minneapolis.
The roles are as follows:
- Patrol of various kinds - foot, car, stationary (not sure what a stationary patrol is.) They look out for suspicious people, activity, or vehicles and then notify dispatch. Also join in mobbing once a federal official has been located.
- Dispatch - people who assess the information coming from patrols and decide to send people out to harass what they presume are federal agents enforcing federal law.
- License plate checker - here is where it gets interesting to me. They have people who are able to check license plates to identify the driver. In the case of a rental car, they are able to identify who rented it. This indicates someone is misusing their access to government databases.
- Commuters - Their word for people who stalk what they presume are federal officials or hostile journalists with their cars.
- Medics/aftercare - people who help those who have been injured or pepper sprayed for breaching the peace and trying to impede federal officers from enforcing the law.
- Donors and others providing material support towards the cause, including providing housing assistance.
Here's where it gets speculative: one of the admins on the group has the Username "Flan Southside" which many suspect is Minnesota Lt. Governor Peggy Flannigan. I'm not sure if there is evidence beyond just the name similarity, but one member of the Signal chat seemed to think (after these rumors became wide spread) that "Flan has been exposed." and the Signal member was going to go to Cuba where they had friends. Of course, by this point, the entire chat could be filled with Right Wingers trolling.
Also, it seems like Good and Pretti (seriously, good and pretty? How does this happen?) were members of the Signal chat and were being coordinated by the Signal Dispatch during their fatal encounters with Homeland Security.
At what point is this no longer just people exercising their first amendment rights? At what point is this a conspiracy to undermine the laws of this country resulting in the deaths of two people ?
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1d ago
2016 was the happiest year of my life. I'm really glad I didn't know all this was coming.
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2d ago
Your comment at a glance reads like the temperature is causing you to doubt the story (because the temperature is unlikely?). Instead, it seems like you meant the two sentences in your comment to be disconnected from each other.
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2d ago
According to my weather app, the current "feels like" temperature (in the afternoon in the Midwest US) is -20 degrees Celsius. And it's not going to get much warmer for at least a week and a half.
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2d ago
I read that as, after the shooting, 200 rioters appeared within a few minutes. Basically news got out before the scene could be secured and they had to retreat due to it.
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2d ago
If you do not have a US birth certificate for your adopted child, you will need to make sure they get citizenship before their 18th birthday. It's relatively easy to do before the 18th birthday, harder after. It's something many adoption agencies forget to help with for some reason.
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2d ago
Good luck and congratulations! I had my second under similar conditions and in hindsight makes for fun stories.
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2d ago
Yes, Antifa killed right wingers for being right wing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl
Many people died in the riots of 2020. Wikipedia shows 19 deaths confirmed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
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3d ago
There are no infinite amount of federal agents, but it is possible that surging to one city for a few months, then another city, and so on might be the best strategy. Or by refusing to back down in Minnesota, the feds are showing the other sanctuary cities that resistance is futile. Minneapolis is a good starter city - medium size, possibly fewer organized international gangs, a good place to develop new tactics.
ICE will not continue to shoot a US Citizen every few weeks because either the states will capitulate and the peace will be kept or the states will not capitulate and the Federal government will step in even more until the peace is kept. As far as electoral chances, what is the point of electing more GOP if they don't enforce immigration laws? This is the biggest issue they ran on.
Yes, I could justify an uncapped amount of federal agents to enforce very popular and longstanding bipartisan federal law. The only restraining principle is the expense.
The most reasonable defense is that this is what it takes to capture only a tiny percentage per capita of people who do not have permission to be here compared with cooperative jurisdictions. Just because jurisdictions are non-cooperative does not give them the right to defect from the country's laws.
Edit: And before you come at me saying ICE is suddenly unpopular in polls immediately after the shooting of Good and relentless negative news coverage, a majority of Americans still want more deportations.
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3d ago
This one seems like a bad shoot but I really can't tell anything. I'm not even sure I know who shot first. I see someone draw their gun, but their arm seems weirdly angled for them to be firing in the deceased's direction. When I watched the video from the other angle I thought maybe someone was shooting from within the building behind them.
I'm someone who generally sides with police and thought Babbitt and Good were both good shoots. It's a harder sell when you have several men on top of the deceased. If they saw a gun, the simpler thing would be for one of the men on top of him to restrain his hands or to grab it themselves. Shooting him while there were still people holding onto him is reckless unless there was really imminent danger we don't see on the cameras.
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3d ago
The defense is pretty simple:
- There are still people in Minneapolis who have no right to be roaming the United States.
- INS and now ICE is the duly appointed agency responsible to enforce the immigration laws our Congress has repeatedly passed with large bipartisan support over the last hundred years.
- Minneapolis and Minnesota have refused to cooperate with these federal laws, necessitating a disproportionate number of agents in the area to help do both their job and the job of the police at crowd control and mitigating disturbances of the peace.
Immigration on a massive scale impacts the country as a whole due to many factors, but one of the biggest is how congressional seats are apportioned and how our birthright citizenship works. Minnesota cannot just press the defect button and rake in the political rewards.
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3d ago
Short answer: It avoids activating the Randall Cycle and too many branch chain amino acids do things to you and it's all really weird but it does seem to work for people.
Long answer: https://deniseminger.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/
What I learned after a month is that it works at losing fat but I can't do a diet like that while feeding the five other members of my family healthy food.
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3d ago
As a side note, I tried the Kempner diet this year and ate some mashed bannanas with rice a few times. It was actually pretty good, kind of like rice pudding. Of course, I was eating it while doing a completely fat-less, salt-less, low protein diet so everything tasted good after a while.
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3d ago
I prefer wool socks with rubber grips for around the house because household slippers can be hard to clean.
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4d ago
At the same time, we have a draft. It's not foreign to our country to have a concept of, "We will force you, at the penalty of a worse fate, to do something dangerous and heroic for the benefit of society."
Pleasantly surprised by the upvote count. I suspect that the people going into the volunteer mod queue are selected for some quality that might not merit the volunteer mod queue.
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