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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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What were your "wife’s native-born coworker’s native-born children" doing when they were detained? Because in most of the cases I have seen where a US citizen is detained it's because they try to interfere with the arrest of someone else. Statistically only like .5% of people ICE detained this year were US Citizens, so it's not impossible that a mistake was made. But the framing that ICE is just arresting brown people and sorting them out later doesn't seem to hold up to data.
Typically speaking, there is a Grand Jury to assess if there is enough evidence to prosecute. Prosecutors do not want to take on cases where there is insufficient evidence to convict, because they cherish their conviction rate.
In cases of a government agency being involved with the self-defense, there is an internal review. If the internal review finds nothing wrong, it is unlikely to make it to a Grand Jury in the first place.
A murder trial is expensive for the government. It isn't a thing to undertake lightly. You have to rip away 12 random people (the jury) from their lives for weeks. The level of evidence gathering, expert testimony to be paid out, etc. is very high. I would recommend watching the Rittenhouse trial to see what it looks like for an innocent man to go through all that. Then watch Daryll Brooks trial to see how hard it is on everyone else in the courthouse to go through all that even when the man is guilty as sin.
Edit: something else is that we are innocent until proven guilty. The assumption that someone acting in self defense needs to prove their innocence is wrong. They are not in a nebulous "not sure if guilty" state. It is on the courts to prove guilt, and if they do not think they can they should not make the attempt.
No, Hmong tend to be salt-of-the-earth people. But kids, especially college-aged kids, can get swept up in things even when they know better.
From what I can tell, their experience is not representative of ICE's activities. I am sorry they had a rough experience. I would like experiences like that minimized, but there are a certain number of false positives that will happen when enforcing any law and I would rather have those false positives than no law enforcement. I would say the same if it was myself caught in a sweep.
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