OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
2d ago
Israel didn't make America bring half its military assets to Iran.
Rubio's full remarks make it clear - the US was going to attack on its own, but at a different time. Israel changed the timing when it discovered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take out all of Iran's leadership. It did not drag us into a war we weren't prepared to fight.
I highly recommend everyone watch the full 12 minute video because it is the clearest explanation of the US's rationale the leadership has given yet.
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2d ago
I don't know what they intend, nor do I expect to guess. We could probably pull it off with fewer people, but a long term base of 100,000 troops right up against Russia's butt wouldn't be a bad outcome for the US.
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2d ago
Trump first explicitly called it a regime change war and said it was Trump fulfilling his promise to intervene if the government of Iran started killing protestors. He's also said it's not a regime change war and governing Iran isn't his responsibility. This contradiction seems to be Trump's typical MO: https://scholars-stage.org/on-bombing-iran/
Recall that in my story, I said the guy with the gun is threatening the police, not just the battered wife. America also is tired of putting up with Iran and their proxies threatening shipping and launching ballistic missiles at American bases every year. It can be tired of Iran providing weapons to Russians and oil to China. And maybe, the thought of stopping these irritants while being able to be the big damn hero, riding up to rescue the battered wife, gave it the self-righteous push it needed to get the job done.
Things can have more than one cause - it can be a preponderance of snowflakes that creates the avalanche.
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2d ago
How do you know Japan will not develop nuclear weapons and attack the US? Of all the countries in the world they have the most right. But to suggest such a thing today is laughable.
It would not have been such a laughable thing in the 1940s.
Things can happen. The world can change. America made Japan the way it is now, we can do the same to Iran if we wanted.
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2d ago
I think those 80% of Iranians would be in favor of a government less focused on supplying their proxies with weapons and more focused on water conservation and management. Which in and of itself is a win for the US.
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2d ago
In June 2024, "Only around 20 percent of respondents want the Islamic Republic to remain in power, according to the survey." I think that number went even lower after the recent violent suppression of protests.
The US sees it more like intervening in a messy domestic dispute, where the male partner (Islamic Republic Government) keeps threatening to get a gun and shoot the police, the police (USA) keeps saying, "Don't do it or we'll have to come in there," and the wife and kids (80% of Iranian people) are hoping that the police intervene but are afraid of getting beaten up again.
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2d ago
There are conflicting reports on if Iran was starting to concede it's nuclear stance during negotiations last week.
On the one hand, Oman said Iran was going to reduce it's stockpile.
“The single most important achievement, I believe, is the agreement that Iran will never, ever have a nuclear material that will create a bomb,” said Albusaidi, describing the understanding as “something completely new” compared to the previous nuclear deal negotiated under former US President Barack Obama.
He said the negotiations have produced an agreement on “zero accumulation, zero stockpiling, and full verification” by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), calling it a breakthrough that makes the enrichment argument “less relevant.”
On existing stockpiles inside Iran, Albusaidi said that “there is agreement now that this will be down-blended to the lowest-level possible … and converted into fuel, and that fuel will be irreversible.”
“I think we have agreement on that, in my view,” he added.
Wall Street Journal says the opposite though. Laurence Norman, WSJ reporter in Germany, says, "My understanding comes from non-U.S. officials close to the talks as well as what Washington has said. This is what we have from 3 people."
Iran came to Geneva on Thursday with a draft text of a few pages as it had been asked. It did not permit the U.S. or others to keep the text. It was planning to do so Monday at the technical talks. But they talked through what was in it. But the draft text was not the key text
Attached to the text was a single piece of paper, which Iran described as its 10 year nuclear plan. The text was based around the idea that as Iran's enrichment needs expanded, it's enrichment should be permitted to expand. The paper set out an ambitious set of targets or expanding its civilian nuclear program. The new version of the Khondab reactor (formerly known as Arak heavy water reactor) would be completed. A number of other long-planned, never-built research and power reactors would be put into operation.
In order to fuel those supplies, Iran would need to run 30 cascades of IR-6 advanced centrifuges Tehran said. That's more than 5,000 advanced centrifuges. Iran would need to be able to enrich up to 20% to meet the demands. That is what Iran was proposing.
Let's compare that for a moment to JCPOA. For the first decade under that accord, Iran was permitted around 6.000 IR-1 basic centrifuges. For 15 years, its enrichment purity cap was 3.67%. In other words, Iran was saying the enrichment deal shld be weaker than the Iran deal.
Overall, I don't think we can take it for granted that Iran was capitulating during talks.
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3d ago
Isn't "Not my president" bad too? This reminds me of when the Red Tribe was cheering like mad for the Figure Skater and all the leftists were saying, "She's progressive, she'd hate you, why are you cheering for her?" And the Red Tribe was just, "USA! USA! USA!"
As crazy as it sounds, I like to think we have an actual country that has more in common than divides. I believe we should support our troops always. Our troops. Even if we are worried about their current orders. If they aren't your troops, if he's not your president, then you aren't in the same country as I am. I don't see how we could be.
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3d ago
She word for word said, "Both the U.S. and genocidal Israel doesn't care about the laws. This is who they are."
https://x.com/RashidaTlaib/status/2027755832742416584
Grammatically it has flaws, for sure. But the referent to "They" is "the US and genocidal Israel." She does not consider herself one or the other, otherwise she would use "We."
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4d ago
Culture war aspects:
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10 minutes before Trump announced we started military operations in Iran, there were already organizations putting out calls to protest. Americans protesting against the attacks while the Iranian people are celebrating the death of Khamenei. Several online people saying they are hoping that the US military gets annihilated to teach us a lesson.
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US Congresswoman Tlaib said, "This is who they are", where "they" refers to Americans, while the normal pronoun to use would be "we." She doesn't think of herself as American despite serving as a US Congresswoman.
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Early polling showed that the war was massively unpopular with independents and Democrats, but the vibe online seems to be changing as it looks like we took out 40 of their top leaders while taking 0 casualties. How much can we trust initial polling data? What does this mean for Trump's approval going forward?
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Iran lashed out at neutral countries, attacking hotels, shopping malls, and apartment complexes in UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc.
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School in Iran was hit, many deaths. Arguing over whether it was Israel/Americans or Iranians misfiring.
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5d ago
Mods, can we get a mega thread on this? Else I fear it will be like the Charlie Kirk thing, or just devolve into dozens of bare links which you will have to keep moderating.
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5d ago
I think you have to listen to the story to get it. Everyone took the law into their own hands. Yes, legally he shouldn't get the money. But ethically, I don't think anyone took it back from him.
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5d ago
We don't know because it wasn't written in the article and it happened over a hundred years ago. But his car was bought from him at gunpoint and then wrecked later, and I don't think they had great insurance plans back then. He might have been allowed to keep the money out of pity..
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5d ago
Reminds me of this story, starts at 42:54. Bank heist in a small town, everyone in Indiana turns into Batman and joins in to stop the criminals. It would make a great movie.
There is a part where the thieves' car breaks down and they pay a bystander for their car with the stolen money. Question is, does he get to keep the money afterwards? We do not know.
And then Iran kept rounding up people who were involved with the protests.
30 of whom still face the death penalty.
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