Owlify
10d ago
Oh is that so? It's the first time I am hearing this view. I thought the typical view is that men don't put as much effort into socialisation since they are not raised to do that and their social lives are enriched by their female partners, so they are happy to have their wives handle all the busy work required like doing all the planning, etc. I thought "happy wife, happy life" was a saying for other minor disagreements. I know that I certainly will be happy to let someone else put the effort in for me as someone who doesn't socialise much.
Owlify
10d ago
I love MLP too. A bit offtopic, but are you into reading MLP fanfiction by any chance?
Owlify
10d ago
Yeah, unfortunately the underlying phenomenon seems to be the internet exacerbating tribalist tendencies,
Owlify
10d ago
Women generally value mothers a lot, so I don't understand why you think that women see pregnancy as generally devaluing. Can you elaborate?
Owlify
10d ago
From my understanding, women don't think of the possibility of rape as extremely rare.
Owlify
10d ago
People who commit suicide usually see it as an improvement, not as destruction. They just don't want to be miserable anymore.
Owlify
10d ago
If a woman was happy with outsourcing the work of maintaining her social life to her husband, then most people wouldn't call that abuse.
Owlify
13d ago
I was talking about raising kids mostly. Although being an equal contributor in a household in marriage is also something teenage girls won't be prepared for. Older mothers are far more sensible and better at raising children than teenagers. This has always been true, even in historical societies, simply because people are more experienced, worldly and have matured more when they are older.
Owlify
18d ago
Control over these relatively few entry points means you can control what ideas will be spread.
I don't know why you believe that there are very few entry points for ideas. Every person is a potential originator of an idea. Spreading ideas has never been as easy as it is now.
Ok, this is exactly what we have now.
I don't know why you believe this. Censorship has never been lesser than it is today as far as I can see. People may fall into peer pressure to not say what is considered politically incorrect, but that has always been true because humans are conforming and tribalist by nature. I gave the example of a terrorist camp specifically to illustrate the level of extremity and control required for an environment in restricting ideas to qualify as brainwashing. It's not difficult to be agentic about spreading ideas opposing the current perceived consensus if someone really wants to do it.
Owlify
18d ago
I don't think it matters what entry points an idea comes from. New ideas being able to originate from a few people and being spread to everyone is a good thing in my opinion. I would consider it mind control if there were restrictions to people encountering other ideas, especially ones that oppose the original, like how terrorists brainwash suicide bombers.
Owlify
18d ago
Ideas spreading is not like mind control. I don't know how you would arrive to that conclusion. A lot of factors have facilitated the spread of ideas that did not exist before the last few decades. I would like to read a more elaborate post from you on this topic too.
Owlify
21d ago
Couldn't you make the default to be shared parenthood without the marriage part? I don't see why that can't be done. I don't know what area you live in, but where I live, fathers have a right to raise their children as much as mothers(as per my understanding).
Owlify
21d ago
Well whether a life is or is not a person is an important moral factor in deciding how immoral it is to kill that life. Everyone has a concept of personhood. I wouldn't consider it an ad-hoc moral concept. For example, people generally don't consider taking animal lives equally immoral as taking human lives. In the case of a fetus, the concept is fuzzy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think many people (and pro-lifers) consider late-term unborn fetuses to be people, which is why they find killing them horrifying, so I wouldn't say that it's not a convincing argument. I can see why others may believe otherwise, just like how people wouldn't consider a single-cell fertilized egg to be a person (although they may believe it still has enough moral worth that it should not be killed because it may eventually become a person, which is also valid).
Owlify
21d ago
Yes, but that doesn't have anything to do with this scenario right? Like I said, if the father wants to be in the child's life then court can decide custody. And if the mother is being a net negative, then it is still better that the child have some stability in their life atleast some of the time.
Owlify
21d ago
Yes, everyone would like a good partner to raise their child. But sometimes the partner may be a net negative. Especially in a scenario where the father wouldn't have married without the law. In this case shouldn't it be allowed for someone to be a single mother? Because it would be better for the child. There are many cases where the traditional benefits men may normally bring to a relationship don't exist. For eg., some people stay unemployed and steal off of their partners. Or they spend all the money, including the one earned by their partner, on their vices like alcohol, gambling, drugs, etc. They also bring a lot of instability to the relationship in many different ways.
Owlify
22d ago
Yeah, I can understand that. It's very subjective as people mostly go off of their moral instincts.
Owlify
22d ago
I am using person to mean the general fuzzy concept of personhood and the rights associated with it. Most of us would agree that a single cell fertilized egg is not a person yet. The concept is fuzzy so you can't really draw a line on at what point the fertilized egg becomes a person.
Owlify
22d ago
Yes, but a bad father is much worse than no father. In the vast majority of cases, the worst fathers abandon their children so stats aren't enough to determine if in this situation having the parents be married would be good or not because they would be skewed by functional families. If the woman has little confidence in the other parent than that's a signal that they might not be good. Isn't it better to make it optional for people to be married in such cases? And if the father actually wants to be present then court can decide custody.
Owlify
22d ago
Yes, if she really believed that the fetus wasn't really a person yet and no harm would occur by aborting it.
This is not true at all. I have frequently heard of people's houses being robbed. Pickpocketing is also present. People steal phones, pickpocket wallets and snatch purses and jewelry off of women. These are all crimes everyone is wary of in India, especially in crowded places like markets, temples, tourist places and melas. I have personally known family members who have had their phones pickpocketed, or gold chains snatched.
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