Pongalh
1d ago
Defenders of Good seem to think she was part of the protest. That would be wild if not.
Pongalh
3d ago
It's not what I remember the argument being here. I recall people here saying an equally shitty form of argument coming to pro-trans conclusions wouldn't have gotten a zero. In any case, in both cases the goal posts are moved away or toward the solidity or veracity of the argument made and away or toward "but given procedural conditions and norms that surround the argument-making, she's being singled out."
Pongalh
3d ago
If you read these defenses, something strange immediately pops out---instead of actually refuting Data Colada's points about why the data was fraudulent, they're almost completely focused on the process by which Harvard punished Gino/how different it was from the way other behavioral scientists were treated.
This reads a lot like the defense of that Christian college student refuting pro-trans arguments. Here on the Motte there was lots of "Her arguments are bad but a score of zero? The teacher is treating her differently, more harshly."
Pongalh
4d ago
Justin Murphy? Wow. Nothing much to add except to say I've seen him evolve from a UK lecturer to an American influencer who'd interview e-thots to now a dad. Frankly, the best work he ever did was in the UK.* His eagerly going the entrepreneurial, attention-getting route in Austin has compromised his integrity, though he believes most assuredly it's the other way around.
Pongalh
6d ago
Indeed. Paul Thomas Anderson's "The Master" was both not about the founder of Scientology and yea, it was obviously about him.
Pongalh
7d ago
I tried manipulating an image of my butt crack earlier today, to imagine someone climbing down it. In any case, Grok wouldn't comply. It's not some wild west of content generation (though it doesn't respect manipulation of celebs, as long as it's SFW).
Pongalh
22d ago
I like seeing what others are talking about just for my own curiosity's sake. In fact I'm interested in politics more broadly but with no desire whatsoever to do anything about perceived problems. I don't get out of bed for systemic discrimination against any particular racial group, mine or otherwise. (As said, me and the rest of whatever racial group one believes I'm part of are not some contiguous massive organism; I exist marginally.) And it's hardly like that topic exhausts this whole site.
I'm like one of those original anthropologists interested in examining societies purely descriptively. I'm not there to preserve or rescue anything. I'm not advocate. I would think believing you can "sort the big problems out" would be a source of incredible frustration, in any case.
Personally, I worked very hard to get into a good school, and then very hard to get into a good university, and then very hard to get into a good PhD and then very hard to get a good job.
Yea, see, I didn't. I'm not of that class, so I don't see what you're talking about. It's been a unified front of multiracial peons railing against a multiracial management my whole life, in jobs that are easy to get, for anyone, and easy to dispose of. Or put it another way: the generalized shitty, Kafkaesque labor experience from behind a colorblind Rawlsian veil is far, far more salient for me as I suspect is for most.
Pongalh
23d ago
Perhaps not. I'm a small man, and I keep my identity small. I only think in terms of very direct and overt discrimination, of the everyman sort, hence "dad won't let my black girlfriend come to dinner."
Pongalh
23d ago
"Massive discrimination at all levels."
But it's not all levels. I don't think that for the vast majority of people these troubles do exist. And it certainly doesn't involve MURDER per your examples, where it does. Most of us are exposed to non-prestigious jobs where actual merit does in fact apply. Got a clean driving record? Voila, you're a pizza dude. It's a big, complicated, growing, non-zero sum economy where there's lots of opportunity.
I think my lack of professional success - or even much caring about it - is why I'm less bitter than the software engineers on this site who feel hectored by women of color with soft degrees.
Pongalh
23d ago
It's generalising massively, but I think the right is more predisposed to 'police down', considering crimes by the poor and marginalised to be the worst, but instinctively believing that power and wealth confers the right to break norms. Whereas the left is the other way around, sometimes being overly tolerant of crimes done by those at the bottom of society.
Yes. The barbarism for the left flows from seemingly genteel people at the top. Think the wholesome family at the center of Zone of Interest, for an extreme example.
Pongalh
23d ago
Sure. Here's an example: I bring home a non-white girlfriend, dad is apoplectic. I say chill out, race doesn't matter.
There goes "any context"
Pongalh
23d ago
I'm surely less successful than almost everyone here. I make 16 an hour part time (and even that's going away in two weeks), childless, single, in my 40s. And yet I'm less doomer than the lot o' ya
Pongalh
23d ago
Sure, but no white man is all white men simultaneously. Additionally, people getting blackpilled reading this kind of shit need to keep things in perspective.
Pongalh
25d ago
I know a white guy milked the shit out of his disability payments after a minor injury working in a warehouse. The welfare state's disinterest in austerity - its soft budget constraints - is why white able-bodied men can benefit too.
Pongalh
25d ago
I read things like this and remain grounded by the successful young white men in my family buying homes and having kids. Are they in prestige jobs? Partly. One is a corporate lawyer in San Francisco. Blonde, blue-eyed. He hasn't been shut out. My other brethren aren't working in anything prestigious, but they're doing something even better: starting families.
Pongalh
25d ago
Yes, and relatedly, if you believe a growing economy helps more slots proliferate overall, you're not as bothered. There is no steady state, evenly rotating economy of prestige. You can knock down walls and create new shit entirely.
Pongalh
1mo ago
When are we going to start seeing this in British crime dramas? There's got to be a plot somewhere, in everything from Slow Horses to Down Cemetery Road to Law & Order: UK, where we see someone arrested for tweets as if the criminal drama it depicts is considered legitimate, and the audience on board.
Pongalh
1mo ago
I'm reminded of the highly insulting but hilarious British satirical puppet series "Spitting Image."
And the claim “Please note that I am not deducting points because you have certain beliefs” is almost certainly a lie.
Yea. Though more optimistically, I had an English social democrat-style professor in college who gave me a 100 on an essay defending propertarianism or "plumb-line" libertarianism. I cited Hoppe's argumentation ethics and he thought it was rather clever and novel. He maintained his views of course - and I've since shed most of the views in that paper - but my prof was able to appreciate a well-structured, at least internally valid argument. Mutual respect.
Pongalh
1mo ago
What would be useful is to know what the other essays that scored higher look like. Students at many universities struggle even with basic grammar, let alone knowing how to make a strong argument.
I'd like to know this too. Given her mother is a lawyer, I wonder if it's surprisingly about on par or no worse than others'. (Apart from citing the Bible.)
I have not yet read it, but do suspect something punitive given how rare it is to get an actual 0, the worst kind of F you can possibly get, if you've turned in something of adequate length and effort. This isn't failing to turn anything in at all, or just your name a title.
Actually, the fact she was being recorded by her partner surely blows that idea out of the water
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