Personally, I worked very hard to get into a good school, and then very hard to get into a good university, and then very hard to get into a good PhD and then very hard to get a good job.
Yea, see, I didn't. I'm not of that class, so I don't see what you're talking about. It's been a unified front of multiracial peons railing against a multiracial management my whole life, in jobs that are easy to get, for anyone, and easy to dispose of. Or put it another way: the generalized shitty, Kafkaesque labor experience from behind a colorblind Rawlsian veil is far, far more salient for me as I suspect is for most.
Pongalh
5d ago
Perhaps not. I'm a small man, and I keep my identity small. I only think in terms of very direct and overt discrimination, of the everyman sort, hence "dad won't let my black girlfriend come to dinner."
Pongalh
5d ago
"Massive discrimination at all levels."
But it's not all levels. I don't think that for the vast majority of people these troubles do exist. And it certainly doesn't involve MURDER per your examples, where it does. Most of us are exposed to non-prestigious jobs where actual merit does in fact apply. Got a clean driving record? Voila, you're a pizza dude. It's a big, complicated, growing, non-zero sum economy where there's lots of opportunity.
I think my lack of professional success - or even much caring about it - is why I'm less bitter than the software engineers on this site who feel hectored by women of color with soft degrees.
Pongalh
5d ago
It's generalising massively, but I think the right is more predisposed to 'police down', considering crimes by the poor and marginalised to be the worst, but instinctively believing that power and wealth confers the right to break norms. Whereas the left is the other way around, sometimes being overly tolerant of crimes done by those at the bottom of society.
Yes. The barbarism for the left flows from seemingly genteel people at the top. Think the wholesome family at the center of Zone of Interest, for an extreme example.
Pongalh
5d ago
Sure. Here's an example: I bring home a non-white girlfriend, dad is apoplectic. I say chill out, race doesn't matter.
There goes "any context"
Pongalh
5d ago
I'm surely less successful than almost everyone here. I make 16 an hour part time (and even that's going away in two weeks), childless, single, in my 40s. And yet I'm less doomer than the lot o' ya
Pongalh
5d ago
Sure, but no white man is all white men simultaneously. Additionally, people getting blackpilled reading this kind of shit need to keep things in perspective.
Pongalh
7d ago
I know a white guy milked the shit out of his disability payments after a minor injury working in a warehouse. The welfare state's disinterest in austerity - its soft budget constraints - is why white able-bodied men can benefit too.
Pongalh
7d ago
I read things like this and remain grounded by the successful young white men in my family buying homes and having kids. Are they in prestige jobs? Partly. One is a corporate lawyer in San Francisco. Blonde, blue-eyed. He hasn't been shut out. My other brethren aren't working in anything prestigious, but they're doing something even better: starting families.
Pongalh
7d ago
Yes, and relatedly, if you believe a growing economy helps more slots proliferate overall, you're not as bothered. There is no steady state, evenly rotating economy of prestige. You can knock down walls and create new shit entirely.
Pongalh
13d ago
When are we going to start seeing this in British crime dramas? There's got to be a plot somewhere, in everything from Slow Horses to Down Cemetery Road to Law & Order: UK, where we see someone arrested for tweets as if the criminal drama it depicts is considered legitimate, and the audience on board.
Pongalh
13d ago
I'm reminded of the highly insulting but hilarious British satirical puppet series "Spitting Image."
And the claim “Please note that I am not deducting points because you have certain beliefs” is almost certainly a lie.
Yea. Though more optimistically, I had an English social democrat-style professor in college who gave me a 100 on an essay defending propertarianism or "plumb-line" libertarianism. I cited Hoppe's argumentation ethics and he thought it was rather clever and novel. He maintained his views of course - and I've since shed most of the views in that paper - but my prof was able to appreciate a well-structured, at least internally valid argument. Mutual respect.
Pongalh
17d ago
What would be useful is to know what the other essays that scored higher look like. Students at many universities struggle even with basic grammar, let alone knowing how to make a strong argument.
I'd like to know this too. Given her mother is a lawyer, I wonder if it's surprisingly about on par or no worse than others'. (Apart from citing the Bible.)
I have not yet read it, but do suspect something punitive given how rare it is to get an actual 0, the worst kind of F you can possibly get, if you've turned in something of adequate length and effort. This isn't failing to turn anything in at all, or just your name a title.
Pongalh
26d ago
Hm the Netflix series Cobra Kai has me assuming martial arts has been infiltrated too. But that's fictional and not much to go on.
Pongalh
27d ago
What's curious is that there was (and is, though less so now) an influential group of cognitive elites that themselves revolted cognitive elites: Hayekian free marketers. They'd rail against "social engineering" with theories that are difficult for the lay person to grasp. And there's indeed a naively realist technocracy implicitly buried within populism that assumes various social issues can be easily solved. "Just ban X Y, Z..." attribute quite alot of highly cognitive, problem-solving power to do good to the technocratic elites.
Pongalh
30d ago
Right now Jewish people can't agree on whether there's an antisemitism scourge domestically and subversion of Israel's absolute legitimacy internationally, with progressive Jews jettisoning couching all their views in terms of Jewishness, in favor of just progressive ideology (which supports others' idpol, infamously). They're losing their idpol religion, if you will. But the conservative ones, ostensibly individualistic and meritocratic, are ironically doing the opposite.
This idea that THEY are defecting is silly. It's not some monolith.
Pongalh
1mo ago
The left discarded race blind meritocracy. Now, the right has too.
Well yes, the younger right is. I don't think it's the same cohort changing their mind over time. But I wonder to what degree the young right feels the intellectual drift of the left has forced them to be like the left, grudgingly, or even if the left's diversity machine arrayed against them wasn't around, they'd pursue identity politics anyway. As in even if the country 95% white, we should stoke white consciousness.
Pongalh
1mo ago
Being concerned about the fate of your own ethnic or religious group is normal.
Or nation. That's another group. And it stands above idpol.
Pongalh
1mo ago
I had a tiff with conservative Jew Katya Sedgewick on X, someone I've interviewed and have been mostly supportive of...until Octobers 7th and everything that came after severely scrambled matters.
She says a day or two ago that her primary concern is the fate of Jews in America. That it's existential and no other policy concerns matter in comparison. I point out how blatantly idpol this is and she denies it. I think some conservatives believe Jewish idpol to be necessary in order to repel all the other idpols. The one idpol to rule them all, if you will, as it's as close as one gets to defending liberal individualism and modernity against 99% of idpols, which are anti-that. Jews are a stand-in for a more abstract idea.
Pongalh
1mo ago
For the 99%, the Stormy Daniels scandal puts him far, far closer to the ethics of someone who'd have sex with a minor. Now, not pre-pubescent, and not personally involved in trafficking or grooming, but a recipient willing to look the other way or even believe nothing (else) criminal preceded the encounter.
"Well, if you were as rich and connected as him, you'd try to bang a porn star too! All men think about it and want to go through with it but not all have the means."
I actually don't think that's true.
I like seeing what others are talking about just for my own curiosity's sake. In fact I'm interested in politics more broadly but with no desire whatsoever to do anything about perceived problems. I don't get out of bed for systemic discrimination against any particular racial group, mine or otherwise. (As said, me and the rest of whatever racial group one believes I'm part of are not some contiguous massive organism; I exist marginally.) And it's hardly like that topic exhausts this whole site.
I'm like one of those original anthropologists interested in examining societies purely descriptively. I'm not there to preserve or rescue anything. I'm not advocate. I would think believing you can "sort the big problems out" would be a source of incredible frustration, in any case.
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