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Ere the Sun rises
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Ere the Sun rises
44m ago
We've been living in conflict and animosity towards us our entire lives. The conflict and animosity has always been here dude! It's just been a one-sided conflict until now.
That said, when people like you want them to cease existing ("as Jews, in Minecraft"), of course they are going to be tribal.
Then why are you so shocked that antisemitism is growing among Whites as they become aware of the cultural mechanisms that have vilified White identity and engaged in strong activism against it? You are once again just angry that I am posturing towards Jewish identity in the same way the Jews posture against White identity.
That said, when people like you want them to cease existing ("as Jews, in Minecraft"), of course they are going to be tribal.
Only after decades of Whites trying to make a "greatest ally" of Jews, considering them beyond reproach in all regards, while simultaneously accepting that whites themselves cease existing. We already tried the "make the Jews Allies" and that is why we are here today. They can't be allies. If individual Jews want to let go of their Jewish identities they can be Allies. If they identify with that tribe they are not allies, and the underlying cause for that is the Jewish tribalism you acknowledge. Yes, maybe my position would intensify Jewish tribalism. And that will in turn increase Antisemitism. That is what is happening today, this feedback loop is in motion as we speak. I am advocating to continue that feedback loop of White criticism of Jews and Jewish response with more overt tribalism. That's the answer. If Jews want to be on our side they have to be on our side and no longer identify as Jews, otherwise by definition they are not on our side.
Jews did not relinquish their tribalism at the height of White acceptance of Jews (they did everything that ye olde antisemites accused them of doing for hundreds of years). They used it to advance their own cultural and geopolitical objectives at our own enormous expense, and they took advantage of our goodwill.
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Ere the Sun rises
18hr ago
You're being very lazy. When I say whites didn't have racial consciousness as whites, I don't mean I believe Thomas Jefferson or the 1920s Supreme Court believed all races are the same.
What do you think racial consciousness is? What do you think was going through the minds of SCOTUS when they wrote their opinion? That is racial consciousness. Indians aren't White- no citizenship sorry. That was SCOTUS in 1923 but here you are in 2026 saying they didn't have racial consciousness as whites. It's just absurd to be honest. There were antimiscegenation laws, segregation, on the basis of White but nope no racial consciousness as Whites! Even though segregation and anti-miscegenation laws were based on "White" vs "non-White."
Do you want to read this 1909 speech by Roosevelt and tell me he didn't have racial consciousness as a white as he repeatedly references the "White race"? Or how about that other speech where he warns about avoiding Race Suicide? You are just flatly wrong, you have been tricked.
Okay, so thanks for confirming that there's no realistic way any Jew could be regarded as acceptable to you, regardless of his individual beliefs. If a Jew actually said "okay, I no longer identify as a Jew, I am just a white American," you would say "lol no."
If a Jew says "I'm not a jew" and doesn't retain identity as a Jew that's a different then an atheistic Jew who identifies as a Jew like Eric Weinstein. Being an atheist isn't enough. If you identify as a Jew you're a Jew, whether theistic or atheist, and if you don't you aren't. Simple as. True there's not consensus among the DR on that point but that's the position I support.
Do you believe Jews have a race consciousness as Jews?
I do not think "white people" have had the "racial consciousness" you assert and advocate until recently, historically.
You are just flatly wrong, you can look at Thomas Jefferson's writings for who counted as "White." It's basically algebra. The question concerned them as well. Racial consciousness was the status quo until very recently but people like you are duped into thinking we always thought the way you do today. They did not. As late as 1923 an Indian Sikh was denied citizenship by the Supreme Court for not being White, and the Indian's argument was not even against the letter of the law but claiming that Indians are Aryan. Can't you imagine me on the Supreme Court hearing this argument and denying an Indian citizenship for claiming to be Aryan?
The Court unanimously rejected Thind's argument, adding that Thind did not meet a "common sense" definition of white, ruling that Thind could not become a naturalized citizen. The Court concluded that "the term 'Aryan' has to do with linguistic, and not at all with physical characteristics, and it would seem reasonably clear that mere resemblance in language, indicating a common linguistic root buried in remotely ancient soil, is altogether inadequate to prove common racial origin.
Wow, sounds like I could have been on SCOTUS in 1923. I would have even written a better opinion given I'm acquainted with the "Indians are Aryan saar" line of argument. Whereas you deny that they had this sort of racial consciousness in the first place. You are just so brainwashed by -current day- you can't even relate to the consciousness of the country 100 years ago. There are Americans today who were alive when SCOTUS made that decision. Isn't it amazing how everything turned on a dime?
You simultaneously endorse shunning Jews-as-Jews from society but complain that, thus shunned, they continue to band together and maintain their own society. You can't tell people "We hate you and won't accept you, but don't you dare stick together out of self-defense."
Jews should be treated no differently than Jews treat Whites. No more no less. Take the ADL, AIPAC, American Jewish Congress- invert it. And Jews were accepted, but they used their acceptance to attain power and promote their own culture and identity at the expense of their outgroup.
Do Christians also have to reject their god? Are you a "Christianity is a Jew-cucked slave morality cult" white nationalist? Or are you a "Judeo-Christianity is a Jew lie" white nationalist?
They ought to, but it wouldn't be a requirement in the same way. If Christians did what Jews do, it would be a requirement, but they don't so it isn't.
There are atheistic Jews today with no connection to the Jewish religion, but you still accuse them of Jewing Jewishly.
Atheistic Jews still very frequently identify as Jews. See Eric Weinstein flipping off the Arch of Titus when he visited Rome. He's still offended by that 2000 year old offense to Jews. He's still a Jew even if he's an Atheist. Yes, if they want to be on my side they have to let that go. If they aren't willing to then that just proves they are on their own side doesn't it?
Jews would never let me into their ingroup. Maybe if I did a full conversion process and renounced any previous religious identities. Even then it will be difficult. Sorry, but if a Jew is claiming to be one of us within my in-group then it's a minimum expectation they depart from their Jewish identity. If they aren't willing to that shows they belong to a different tribe.
Can we just appreciate that you don't think "White American" is a real thing when it was the original requirement for citizenship? You are just proving my point of how easy it is to use culture to convert something that was just plainly obvious for the vast majority of the country into an identity that doesn't really exist. You are the product of the cultural processes you are underestimating Amadan.
You will realize that while English, Germans, French, and Dutch
And where are they now? They are White. They don't cling to their ancestry in remotely the same way Jews retain their identity and organize on the basis of their identity. That's why it's a non-starter. If Jews want to assimilate into a White pro-civilizational ideology they need to free themselves from Yahweh. If they can't do it that means that they will continue to play the shell game of assimilation/assertion based on the convenience of the moment, for their group benefit and at our group expense.
"If you want to be one of us you have to be one of us." You can't retain identity with a superstitious desert cult on the basis of a blood-covenant with a jealous anti-civilizational god.
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Ere the Sun rises
1d ago
She sent her husband on an errand across town, that's not psychosis it's premeditation.
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Ere the Sun rises
1d ago
White people did not historically think of themselves as one tribe. So you're casting back for an identity that never existed.
In the United States they absolutely did so, from the foundation of the country eligibility for citizenship was "White". And it turned on a dime. But the same applies to ethnic German identity or pride, or even ethnic British identity or pride. You can get arrested for being too enthusiastic in your identification as an ethnic Brit.
It is absolutely possible to Culture-War someone's identity into submission. Jewish identity should be analyzed and criticized in equal measure.
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Ere the Sun rises
1d ago
Do you really believe a converted campaign could persuade Jews worldwide to abandon their identity as Jews, religion and all? Especially given that even if you are sincere about not wishing them physical harm, many (most) of your fellow travelers are less reticent and seem very unlikely to accept hypothetical "de-Jewed" Jews into the fold?
It happened to us didn't it? Yes I want Jews to abandon Judaism. It's an extremely harmful, anti-civilization cult- it's a slave morality. The Jewish self-conception is as a slave race in revolt against civilization. And this percolates into everything they produce. I do want them to abandon that cult, and I do think it is more of an ideological problem than even a race problem. The race problem is relevant because their talents make them extremely effective. But their underlying cult is actually the root of the problem.
If Jews abandoned Judaism and were on board for a new pro-Civilizational ideology I would be open to that alliance. But yeah, they have to renounce Yahweh and Judaism- non-negotiable.
Jews didn't take power through direct suppression of White culture, religion, and identity (only recently direct political suppression through censorship, and it's an act of desperation and not an act of strength). They did it by creating myths like the Holocaust and essentially building a civic religion that elevated themselves and ruthlessly criticized everything associated with White culture, religion, and identity. And they did it while making it entirely taboo to engage in any sort of reverse criticism of their own identity, religion, and culture.
The solution is not some political pogrom it's to essentially do the same thing to their own identity and religion and mythological canon.
I and everyone grew up with ruthless Jewish critique of White culture, identity, and religion and I sort of respond with ruthless critique of Jewish culture, identity, and religion. @Amadan really hates that, he calls it an obsession by a hater but of course all the Jewish critique of white culture and identity throughout the decades is not an obsession by haters. It's just their religion!
I don't think aspiring for any sort of violent solution is the answer at all, the answer is to be subversive and ruthlessly analytical and peel back the curtains. It becomes much harder for them to operate when everyone is aware of what they are doing. It's much harder for them to churn out this endless esotericism that frames themselves as the heroes of history and Whites as the villain when the audience knows exactly what they are doing and why. This is happening in real time, the cat is out of the bag. The train has left the station.
This problem is also downstream of a lack of White identity. You can blame the Jews for some of that, but ultimately it was the WASPs who folded like a cheap suit to the Jews. All the Jews disappearing tomorrow doesn't solve the underlying problem of whites lacking a similar religion that validates their identity in the same way Judaism validates Jewish identity.
I don't see the mission as removing all of them but freeing them (and us) from the counter-civilizational Yahweh cult that has inspired all this animosity and conflict throughout the millennia.
You're attempting to imply agency would be displayed by switching to your side
Not really, agency is an input to the generation of influential art and culture. I don't think "if everyone switches to my side it's because they have agency and if they choose the Jews it's because they are brainwashed." Ultimately it's all the same shit, it's Culture War. It's all mind-control at the end of the day, or training an LLM. The actual creation of Culture which entails agency is the purview of a much smaller elite.
Yes, I would much prefer the generation of culture that directs the flock in a better direction. But I don't claim that's a different process than the same one that brought us here.
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Ere the Sun rises
8d ago
I think you are vastly overestimating agency, when everybody grows up watching the same movies and popular culture that always frames the same hero and same villain, it's very easy for them to believe they arrived at their moral compass independently. Which they did not.
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Ere the Sun rises
8d ago
Brits are thrown in prison for racism in private group chats. You can't lay that at the feet of Hitler at some point we have to critically analyze how we got here. And yes film is one of the most indispensable artistic mediums for generating that consciousness.
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Ere the Sun rises
8d ago
You can blame the guy who has singlehandedly lost so much aura for the Aryans
Saying "lost aura" is handwaving the actual cultural processes that put Hitler as a symbolic representation of the greatest evil ever. The cultural processes are encoding that dialectic within these films. And you grow up- that's all you watch. Every time. Sometimes more esoteric like Karate Kid, sometimes so esoteric it basically circles back to exoteric like Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark. Then you just say they "lost aura" without understanding how that mass consciousness actually came to be.
Brits are arrested and put in jail for racism in private group chats- blame Hitler! Don't blame the past 80 years of consciously-generated culture.
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Ere the Sun rises
8d ago
Maybe it would make them care about not being demographically replaced by the third world. Instead of endless propaganda promoting the opposite. All the messaging they have received tells them they are evil if they care about their countries not being swarmed with third world immigrants. And if they try to resist it they will be defeated and humiliated by the Hero with a superior moral compass.
The story of the underdog defeating the big dog is at least as old as David and the Goliath
Who does David represent and who does Goliath represent? Goliath is an Indo-European name by the way. Aren't you just demonstrating that this practice is thousands of years old and has always defined influential art and religion?
I agree with you that Daniel "Webber" LaRusso vs Johnny Lawrence is a modern rehash of David and Goliath and the esoteric meaning carries forth from that thousands of years old myth. In both of the myths the enemy is the same and the hero is the same, and who they are intended to represent is the same.
Yes- that wasn't simple Action-Adventure Romp you were watching as a kid, it's a powerful vehicle for esoteric symbolism and the creators know the message they are sending by making use of those symbols.
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Ere the Sun rises
8d ago
they were the ones who spared me from being subjected to endless cultural veneration
Oh you were subjected to endless cultural veneration all right.
No. I want the small whiney kid to get his teeth kicked in.
Yup I misread.
The writer was Jewish and the story is allegedly semi-autobiographic.
Yes, exactly... These myths in popular culture have esoteric meaning, the characters represent ethnic conflict. In Karate Kid, in Revenge of the Nerds, in Happy Gilmore, in Caddyshack. It's an incredibly common and powerful mode of waging culture war. It matters who the producers have you rooting for and have you rooting against (spoiler they have you rooting for symbolic representations of themselves and against symbolic representations of you). It affects the psychology of the laity.
I want to watch Johnny Lawrence kicking the shit out of short whiney Daniel LaRusso, but I'm tall and good looking. I'm not the target audience for much of popular entertainment.
Interesting fact about that film is that Daniel LaRusso's (who is an east-coast transplant) character name was originally written as Daniel Webber, implying another esoteric Jew-Aryan faceoff where the Jew wins and steals the Aryan's girlfriend to boot.
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Ere the Sun rises
8d ago
Haven't seen that but good one. Michael Douglas also kills a neo-Nazi store owner in that one.
George from George of the Jungle was inspired by George Eiferman. So the character was based on a Jew originally, and the hunter villain is a WASP with an Oxford accent.
Brendan Fraser is not Jewish, although that's a popular misconception because Fraser played the role of David Greene in School Ties:
David Greene (Brendan Fraser), is a working class Jewish high school student from Scranton, Pennsylvania, who is awarded an athletic scholarship to an elite preparatory school in Massachusetts during his senior year in 1955. His fellow students come from rich families, and he learns that most of them are antisemites, which forces him to hide his Jewish background.
Of course his identity his exposed by Charlie (Matt Damon) and the whole school turns on him- bullying, Swastikas, etc.
The point is not that all myths or movies feature a "Jew versus Gentile" conflict, but to say "Jewish hero and Gentile villain" is a very common esotericism in film that transmits a certain, particularly Jewish perspective of ethnic conflict into the consciousness of mass audiences. Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore are two examples.
The same phenomenon appears in Hollywood mockery and criticism of Fraternities, like in Accepted, Revenge of the Nerds (who join the Black fraternity (!) to get revenge on Alpha Beta), Animal House, etc.
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Ere the Sun rises
8d ago
I mean yeah, if Catholics made Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore with Catholic protagonists wouldn't the analysis apply there the same? Wouldn't you agree the film/mockery/criticism is derived from the Catholic perspective in that case? I wouldn't call it an "organized conspiracy" to note that the films in those cases would have been motivated by the Catholic perspective of a cultural conflict, a perspective which they then transmit to mass audiences via popular culture like the very movies that are so iconic.
I am interpreting the most iconic and influential cultural artifacts that elevate the Country Club golfer as the villain and the outsider, styled to represent the antithesis of Country Club culture, as the hero.
Happy Gilmore is one example, the other most influential film that explores these themes is Caddyshack where we also see a Jewish outsider, Al Czervik played by Rodney Dangerfield (born Jacob Cohen), come into conflict with the Gentile Judge Smails (played by Ted Knight). Interestingly, Czervik tells Smails he did not come to the club as a guest in order to acquire membership but to buy the club. So there's another layer of meaning there- Czervik is not trying to gain access as a member he's trying to take over the institution. There's no question the film is getting at a deeper message of new Jewish arrivals, "guests", acquiring financial success and coming into cultural conflict with the WASP "old guard"- expressing as a struggle over the control of cultural institutions, and the criticism of those too closely associated with Whites.
It's a much stronger and less useful claim to say that these films "started the trend" of ressentiment towards Country Club golf culture, my claim is merely that they represent it through a highly influential medium. And in both cases the conflict between the Country Club golfer and the low-class or homo novus outsider is ethnically coded as a conflict between Jews and Gentiles, with the Jews winning and the Gentiles being humiliated. It demoralizes those who identify with that culture and moralizes the people who hate it, whether that hatred is derived from ethnic or class resentment.
There's no question that there are many instances of Country Club Critique in other films, like this comedic bit in Better Call Saul where Goodman causes a scene by accusing the Club of being antisemitic. The most iconic and influential films that explore this theme are encoding an ethnic conflict along with a class conflict, and that's largely why they are compelling to this day.
yet here we purportedly have one assaulting a woman because she reaches for his golf club
This is what I mean though. You don't see this ad as a member of the group participating in a promotional skit, you see her as a woman reaching for a golf club being assaulted. The bit was supposed to be a parody of Obsession for what that's worth.
I don't have anything against the country club culture, but I think they regard themselves too highly, believing their exclusivity and luxury improves their character, while they ultimately pursue shiny things and creature comforts like the rest of us.
I'm a Country Club man, my experience is it's especially males but also families enjoying themselves among like-minded people in a high-trust environment, which can be a breath of fresh air in many places. Often for making friends, networking professionally, etc. And of course it retains a White identity, even though I enjoy shooting the shit with the Jewish members as well. The Outsider seething of the country club is a much more notable phenomenon. The ressentiment is downstream from a mixture of class resentment and ethnic resentment, often blended together in cultural criticism such as Happy Gilmore, the most popular Golf film in the past 35 years at least (and yes I do like the film, in large part because it is deeper than slapstick).
With that said I absolutely have my own criticisms of the culture, but they aren't derived from seething about the archetype as an outsider and then elevating the antithesis of the archetype as some sort of good. That's ressentiment.
Yes I agree it's an "always has been" problem. The literal bible was inspired by culture war. Jews vs Civilization, over and over. That doesn't really help your argument though. You can't just walk away from the conflict and not participate, that doesn't stop others from participating or taking advantage of your submissiveness. Inter-tribal conflict is at an all-time high owing to massive demographic change in the US and Europe and us being politically and culturally disarmed from resisting.
You are just advocating for unilateral disarmament, the same strategy we've practiced for the past 50 years.
In your mind Open-Borders advocacy is the absence of tribal conflict, and opposing it is the presence of tribal conflict. They both are.
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