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Ere the Sun rises
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Ere the Sun rises
2d ago
Societies perpetuate their values through Symbols
Of course they do, which is why the mythological implications of the LLM are so extreme, they are symbol-generators.
The destruction of copies of books for training an LLM is not doing any meaningful damage to the transmission of values or knowledge to society.
What is performative is the Reddit-tier scandalization by the destruction of books. That, too, is downstream from the perpetuation of societal memes around Nazi book-burning. Of course none of the "banned book" subreddits or "banned book" stores carry the books I might have on my bookshelf, those are actually banned books and the Redditors who will cry about books being banned don't care- in their mind To Kill a Mockingbird is a banned book, and The Hoax of the Twentieth Century is the embodiment of evil that should be banned everywhere.
Amazon has long-engaged in book banning right-wing publishers and books, and nobody really cares about "symbolic desecration." It's performative anti-authoritarianism used as a guise for their own brand of authoritarianism.
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7d ago
You claimed Zionism is not unique among ethnonationalist states, I claimed it is unique due to its long-standing political influence and domestic activism in the US that consciously created the moral dialectic that Adam Smith is appealing to in this conversation: it's bad for Whites to care about race, but we should support the Jewish ethnostate.
The causality here is not at all clear.
It would be totally impossible to trace the origin of Tolerance Education in the United States in any other direction. The Simon Wiesenthal Center was founded in 1977, which Wikipedia notes is known for Holocaust research and remembrance, hunting Nazi war criminals, combating antisemitism, tolerance education, defending Israel, and its Museum of Tolerance.
Wikipedia describes the origin of the center:
The founder Marvin Hier was born and raised in New York City and became an ordained rabbi at the Rabbi Jacob Joseph School. At the age of 22 he moved to Vancouver, Canada, and became the rabbi of the city's orthodox synagogue. He became friends with the mostly non-Orthodox Belzberg family who would help him fund the Simon Wiesenthal Center. In 1977, he moved to Los Angeles and bought a building on Pico Boulevard using a $500,000 donation from Samuel Belzberg which was matched with another half a million from Toronto-based real estate maven Joseph Tannenbaum. In the building he founded a yeshiva, a religious Jewish school, today known as the Yeshiva University High School of Los Angeles, and a small Holocaust museum, with Belzberg as founding chairman. Famous Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal was convinced to bless the museum with his name. Edward Norden, writing for Commentary, dismissed the museum as "a low-tech affair fashioned by and for Jews and holding nothing against the Gentiles back—an outsized portrait of Pius XII was given a prominent place among pictures of those who 'didn't care.' The message was that Jews have enemies, murderous enemies, and should look out." Hier, a skillful fundraiser, networked with the Hollywood célébrité, local politicians, and businessmen and raised large sums of money which he used to expand his operations.
"Tolerance Education" in schools today is practically synonymous with Holocaust education, the Holocaust mythos formulates the center of this liberal consensus that White nationalism is the greatest evil but Jewish nationalism is something we all have to support.
Likewise the ADL was founded in 1913 and incubated by the American Jewish Committee and American Jewish Congress. The well-known Museum of Tolerance was opened in 1993. Speaking of the American Jewish Committee:
American Jewish Committee (AJC) is a civil rights group and Jewish advocacy group established on November 11, 1906. It is one of the oldest Jewish advocacy organizations and, according to The New York Times, is "widely regarded as the dean of American Jewish organizations".
Besides working in favor of civil liberties for Jews, the organization has a history of fighting against forms of discrimination in the United States and working on behalf of social equality, such as filing an amicus brief in the May 1954 case of Brown v. Board of Education and participating in other events in the civil rights movement.
The causality is clear, over a century of Zionist organizations fighting White nationalism politically and culturally tooth and nail every step of the way, while simultaneously demanding unwavering support for Jewish nationalism. That is a unique malice.
The entire reason Krystal is so scandalized by the concept of the ethnostate is because she internalized her Tolerance Education!
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7d ago
The Zionist malice is unique, no other ethnonationalist movement has such prominence in our cultural and political institutions. No other ethnonationalist movement tells us we are evil for not wanting to be demographically replaced by the third world, but we are morally obligated to support their own ethnonationalist project. The Japanese don't do that, the Chinese don't do that. The Russians try to stir up a lot of trouble but they don't do that. It's only Zionist Jews that advocate for mass immigration and anti-racism in the United States while demanding support for their own ethnonationalist project.
Take the ADL as Exhibit A of the behavior I'm describing.
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7d ago
Most people like Smith do not actually believe that the immigrants will make the country worse, they think everything will be fine. They are convinced of their ideology. They are smart enough to know that ethnic and tribal conflicts exist in the world, but they don’t think it could happen where they live. It is not that they believe they deserve worse, but that they think they are better.
This is just begging the question- why does Smith believe that though? His perspective was browbeaten into our collective consciousness with incessant moralism from motivated actors directing cultural institutions. If he believed otherwise with respect to mass immigration to White countries, he would be racist, which remains one of the most damaging accusations you can make against someone's political beliefs. This is why people like Krystal exist, she learned her lessons, and now there's a strong contingent of the left-wing that sees the strong contradiction between those values that constitute their moral consciousness and the Zionist project.
Liberal Values triumphed over South Africa and forced it into suicide, the notable difference being South Africa was a White country. So this isn't derived from some pragmatic analysis, modern "liberalism" means that Whites have to accept demographic replacement (otherwise you're racist) and oh yeah you have to support Jewish ethnonationalism (otherwise you're antisemitic).
I've heard other center-lib influencers like Destiny outright acknowledge the hypocrisy, but they say it's OK because of the Holocaust- Israel should be an exception to the principles they claim to care about when it comes to promoting demographic change in Europe and the United States, and the Holocaust justifies that exception for Israel.
The other uncomfortable side of that equation- why is it bad for Europeans and Whites to oppose demographic change from mass migration? That also reduces to the Holocaust, so even though we face an apparent contradiction it is coherently derived from the same mythological foundation.
The Holocaust mythos is the center of this dialectic. Holding Jews and Gentiles to totally different standards is a core feature of that dialectic and is not even a contradiction even though it appears that way on the outside. This is the Moral Order.
The hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church is not particularly relevant to your original criticism, which centered on the ideological mission of the Catholic church, which essentially entails grafting all the Gentiles of the world into the embrace of Yahweh as equals- there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death... And I completely agree with your interpretation of that mission. If the mode of organization of the Catholic Church were more similar to Judaism- a mode of organization which is by the way more deeply embedded in our economy, in our cultural institutions, in our lobbying groups than it is in a flag-bearing statelette run by a guy with a cool hat, that wouldn't undermine your criticism of the Catholic mission it would only make it even more nefarious. Edit: Of course ACB et al. are demonstrations of the principle of religious mission embedded in political and cultural institutions, expressing as hostility towards white people, so your analysis is basically acknowledging the phenomenon observed by those who attribute the influence of Jewish identity and ideology to the expression of anti-white cultural output in Hollywood and academia.
The notion that Judaism doesn't have a Pope and therefore a similar ideological mission cannot be attributed to it is blatantly false, it is simply a different mode of organization. There's the World Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Committee, B'nai B'rith International, the Anti Defamation League, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, Chabad, of course the State of Israel- only to name a few out of thousands of such organizations that wield immense political and cultural power. Your implication that we can attribute the acts of Catholic Organizations to the Catholic Mission, but cannot attribute the acts of Jewish Organizations or ideologically-motivated Jewish people to the Jewish Mission simply because Judaism lacks a pope holds no water. The state of Israel has far more powerful political and cultural pull among global Jewry than the Vatican does among global Catholics, the prime reason there are "White Nationalist Catholics" is derived from the lack of loyalty to the Vatican and Catholic Mission itself among lay Catholics. There is far greater loyalty among Jews to Israel than there is among Catholics to the Vatican. Steven Spielberg transmitting a false propaganda film like Schindler's List to millions of Gentiles is no less of an act of ethnic aggression than the acts of the Catholic organizations you mentioned in your post. And of course hundreds of Jewish organizations are guilty of the exact behavior you lay at the feet of Catholic organizations with respect to mass immigration lawfare. They are two sides of the same coin.
Edit: One sad anecdote, a local Catholic Parish, in a long-standing lilly-White community, is getting a new Priest fresh off the boat from Uganda-- their new Spiritual Leader. The Catholic Mission is Lovecraftian horror, so you are not wrong but you are one-sided in your critical interpretation of how religion directly transmits ethnic warfare.
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28d ago
I agree with Amadan you should speak more clearly here. Because I see the "Catholic Occupied Government" meme floated by Jews like yourself and BAP, and I fully get the tongue-in-cheek reference but I don't understand what you actually believe. Given that those invoking that meme deny systematic Jewish influence in American politics and culture consciously optimized towards subverting White identity, are you saying that accusation is false for Jews but true for Catholics? Or are you saying it's false for both and using this analysis to try to show how easy it is to grasp circumstances and correlate religious backgrounds to create a false conspiracy? When JQ-deniers invoke "Catholic Occupied Government" I don't know which of those two positions they are trying to take.
For my part, I believe that accusation is true for both fundamentally, although there is greater heterogeneity among Catholic followers: there are many more pro-White Catholics than pro-White Jews. But that fact doesn't erase the implications of the mission of the Catholic Church, and I agree with your criticism, it's just interesting seeing you willing to apply this level of criticism with respect to the Catholic mission while in my mind denying a similar criticism of the Jewish religion with respect to its religious mission among the Gentiles.
Maybe we can meet in the middle and call it a "Yahweh Occupied Government" that for some weird reason appears inexorably hostile towards the White race at a fundamental level, as equally as it is philo-semitic.
My understanding is the practice has expanded lately so maybe it's causing more controversy. When it was Holocaust Revisionist books and books like Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique, basically the first books targeted by Amazon book banning, it didn't generate any controversy.
The Revisionist publisher even had to switch publishers because of government pressure on the very printing shops. They had to finance their own printing shops and sell themselves. Have never seen anyone going on about the sacred nature of "banned books" be remotely interested in that actual struggle.
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