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Ere the Sun rises
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Ere the Sun rises
14hr ago
I think you are vastly overestimating agency, when everybody grows up watching the same movies and popular culture that always frames the same hero and same villain, it's very easy for them to believe they arrived at their moral compass independently. Which they did not.
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Ere the Sun rises
14hr ago
Brits are thrown in prison for racism in private group chats. You can't lay that at the feet of Hitler at some point we have to critically analyze how we got here. And yes film is one of the most indispensable artistic mediums for generating that consciousness.
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Ere the Sun rises
14hr ago
You can blame the guy who has singlehandedly lost so much aura for the Aryans
Saying "lost aura" is handwaving the actual cultural processes that put Hitler as a symbolic representation of the greatest evil ever. The cultural processes are encoding that dialectic within these films. And you grow up- that's all you watch. Every time. Sometimes more esoteric like Karate Kid, sometimes so esoteric it basically circles back to exoteric like Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark. Then you just say they "lost aura" without understanding how that mass consciousness actually came to be.
Brits are arrested and put in jail for racism in private group chats- blame Hitler! Don't blame the past 80 years of consciously-generated culture.
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Ere the Sun rises
14hr ago
Maybe it would make them care about not being demographically replaced by the third world. Instead of endless propaganda promoting the opposite. All the messaging they have received tells them they are evil if they care about their countries not being swarmed with third world immigrants. And if they try to resist it they will be defeated and humiliated by the Hero with a superior moral compass.
The story of the underdog defeating the big dog is at least as old as David and the Goliath
Who does David represent and who does Goliath represent? Goliath is an Indo-European name by the way. Aren't you just demonstrating that this practice is thousands of years old and has always defined influential art and religion?
I agree with you that Daniel "Webber" LaRusso vs Johnny Lawrence is a modern rehash of David and Goliath and the esoteric meaning carries forth from that thousands of years old myth. In both of the myths the enemy is the same and the hero is the same, and who they are intended to represent is the same.
Yes- that wasn't simple Action-Adventure Romp you were watching as a kid, it's a powerful vehicle for esoteric symbolism and the creators know the message they are sending by making use of those symbols.
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Ere the Sun rises
1d ago
they were the ones who spared me from being subjected to endless cultural veneration
Oh you were subjected to endless cultural veneration all right.
No. I want the small whiney kid to get his teeth kicked in.
Yup I misread.
The writer was Jewish and the story is allegedly semi-autobiographic.
Yes, exactly... These myths in popular culture have esoteric meaning, the characters represent ethnic conflict. In Karate Kid, in Revenge of the Nerds, in Happy Gilmore, in Caddyshack. It's an incredibly common and powerful mode of waging culture war. It matters who the producers have you rooting for and have you rooting against (spoiler they have you rooting for symbolic representations of themselves and against symbolic representations of you). It affects the psychology of the laity.
I want to watch Johnny Lawrence kicking the shit out of short whiney Daniel LaRusso, but I'm tall and good looking. I'm not the target audience for much of popular entertainment.
Interesting fact about that film is that Daniel LaRusso's (who is an east-coast transplant) character name was originally written as Daniel Webber, implying another esoteric Jew-Aryan faceoff where the Jew wins and steals the Aryan's girlfriend to boot.
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Ere the Sun rises
1d ago
Haven't seen that but good one. Michael Douglas also kills a neo-Nazi store owner in that one.
George from George of the Jungle was inspired by George Eiferman. So the character was based on a Jew originally, and the hunter villain is a WASP with an Oxford accent.
Brendan Fraser is not Jewish, although that's a popular misconception because Fraser played the role of David Greene in School Ties:
David Greene (Brendan Fraser), is a working class Jewish high school student from Scranton, Pennsylvania, who is awarded an athletic scholarship to an elite preparatory school in Massachusetts during his senior year in 1955. His fellow students come from rich families, and he learns that most of them are antisemites, which forces him to hide his Jewish background.
Of course his identity his exposed by Charlie (Matt Damon) and the whole school turns on him- bullying, Swastikas, etc.
The point is not that all myths or movies feature a "Jew versus Gentile" conflict, but to say "Jewish hero and Gentile villain" is a very common esotericism in film that transmits a certain, particularly Jewish perspective of ethnic conflict into the consciousness of mass audiences. Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore are two examples.
The same phenomenon appears in Hollywood mockery and criticism of Fraternities, like in Accepted, Revenge of the Nerds (who join the Black fraternity (!) to get revenge on Alpha Beta), Animal House, etc.
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Ere the Sun rises
1d ago
I mean yeah, if Catholics made Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore with Catholic protagonists wouldn't the analysis apply there the same? Wouldn't you agree the film/mockery/criticism is derived from the Catholic perspective in that case? I wouldn't call it an "organized conspiracy" to note that the films in those cases would have been motivated by the Catholic perspective of a cultural conflict, a perspective which they then transmit to mass audiences via popular culture like the very movies that are so iconic.
I am interpreting the most iconic and influential cultural artifacts that elevate the Country Club golfer as the villain and the outsider, styled to represent the antithesis of Country Club culture, as the hero.
Happy Gilmore is one example, the other most influential film that explores these themes is Caddyshack where we also see a Jewish outsider, Al Czervik played by Rodney Dangerfield (born Jacob Cohen), come into conflict with the Gentile Judge Smails (played by Ted Knight). Interestingly, Czervik tells Smails he did not come to the club as a guest in order to acquire membership but to buy the club. So there's another layer of meaning there- Czervik is not trying to gain access as a member he's trying to take over the institution. There's no question the film is getting at a deeper message of new Jewish arrivals, "guests", acquiring financial success and coming into cultural conflict with the WASP "old guard"- expressing as a struggle over the control of cultural institutions, and the criticism of those too closely associated with Whites.
It's a much stronger and less useful claim to say that these films "started the trend" of ressentiment towards Country Club golf culture, my claim is merely that they represent it through a highly influential medium. And in both cases the conflict between the Country Club golfer and the low-class or homo novus outsider is ethnically coded as a conflict between Jews and Gentiles, with the Jews winning and the Gentiles being humiliated. It demoralizes those who identify with that culture and moralizes the people who hate it, whether that hatred is derived from ethnic or class resentment.
There's no question that there are many instances of Country Club Critique in other films, like this comedic bit in Better Call Saul where Goodman causes a scene by accusing the Club of being antisemitic. The most iconic and influential films that explore this theme are encoding an ethnic conflict along with a class conflict, and that's largely why they are compelling to this day.
yet here we purportedly have one assaulting a woman because she reaches for his golf club
This is what I mean though. You don't see this ad as a member of the group participating in a promotional skit, you see her as a woman reaching for a golf club being assaulted. The bit was supposed to be a parody of Obsession for what that's worth.
I don't have anything against the country club culture, but I think they regard themselves too highly, believing their exclusivity and luxury improves their character, while they ultimately pursue shiny things and creature comforts like the rest of us.
I'm a Country Club man, my experience is it's especially males but also families enjoying themselves among like-minded people in a high-trust environment, which can be a breath of fresh air in many places. Often for making friends, networking professionally, etc. And of course it retains a White identity, even though I enjoy shooting the shit with the Jewish members as well. The Outsider seething of the country club is a much more notable phenomenon. The ressentiment is downstream from a mixture of class resentment and ethnic resentment, often blended together in cultural criticism such as Happy Gilmore, the most popular Golf film in the past 35 years at least (and yes I do like the film, in large part because it is deeper than slapstick).
With that said I absolutely have my own criticisms of the culture, but they aren't derived from seething about the archetype as an outsider and then elevating the antithesis of the archetype as some sort of good. That's ressentiment.
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Ere the Sun rises
1d ago
That's a bit unfair, please watch this clip and tell me it's not good content. That's a feat > 99.9% of golfers will never accomplish, and it was accomplished on high-quality film with different angles in an energetic setting. What people hate is the youthful vigor and playfulness. Granted, that is probably the best clip of the entire brand but if you golf you will know this whole segment is entertaining and genuinely impressive, with Garrett himself predicting a hole-in-one on a Par 4.
The Good Good hate doesn't make sense because if you don't resonate with it just don't watch it. I haven't watched it since Grant and Micah left, but we should all look for an explanation for why so many people hate young guys making a living off of filming golf.
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Ere the Sun rises
2d ago
Can you elaborate on your argument? I've read Dickens but the mockery of the WASP country club that has been transmitted to me, and everybody else who hates Good Good for representing a "country club golf gentleman (fine member of high society)" has not come from Dickens, or Austen, or Tolstoy, it has come from difference sources, like the one I posted.
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Ere the Sun rises
2d ago
Do you agree popular culture and Hollywood has engaged in consistent criticism of the WASP Country Club? Are you just going to point and sputter or participate in the conversation?
It's a stark reminder that cancel culture is not dead. Your post doesn't walk through all of the fallout from this ad which was posted briefly and deleted quickly. But every new day is bringing more fallout to the brand from various partnerships:
- Golf Galaxy & Dicks Sporting goods have pulled all Good Good merchandise from their online and brick-and-mortar.
- Callaway has dropped sponsorship of Good Good
- Golf Channel canceled the last episode of their Big Break show which involved a Good Good collaboration.
So much for the "Woke 1.0 was stupid we went too far" conventional wisdom, it seems it never left. All the more surprising the hysteria exploded within golf, a right-coded subculture.
The hysterical reaction to that ad shows why gender equality is impossible. Good Good was obviously not trying to portray domestic violence but the opposite: Alexis the girl hanging out with a group of guys as one of them- a friend and a colleague, participating in a dumb skit to promote a driver. The mob interpretation that this ad promotes "domestic violence" implies an inherent, sexually submissive role of Alexis in a polyandric circle or something. She can't roughhouse with the boys because she's a woman, it would be inherently sexually suggestive for her to do so. Whereas someone who truly believed in equality would not anticipate a problem with Alexis playing this part in the script.
There's another layer to this though, which is that much of the hate mob appears motivated by hatred for Good Good itself, a hatred that is in turn downstream from ressentiment towards the "country club" social organization, a resentment which also comes through directly in OP's post mockingly describing Garret as a "country club golf gentleman (fine member of high society)".
Ressentiment towards the Country Club Gentleman has also long been promoted in popular culture, producing endless films where the Country Club Gentleman is the villain, meant to be humiliated by the outsider protagonist who has no respect for the cultural tradition or decorum expected by these social institutions.
The primary driver of this backlash is ressentiment towards Good Good itself, for the crime of being White young-adults making money from filming golf YouTube videos.
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Ere the Sun rises
5d ago
They would also have to deal with having their territorial integrity threatened by a much weaker ally. In the way the dysfunction in Greece percolates to all of Europe. They would need to navigate foreign affairs and security in a far less efficient and political secure manner. An incompetent ally is much more difficult than direct governorship and management.
What if there's economic hardship, political upheaval, or security threats to the Mizrahi Nation? That affects the Ashkenazi Nation but there's only so much they can do as a foreign government even being close allies. I don't see a world where Israel has its influence and status as a set of petty Jewish nationalisms divided along ethnic lines with different languages and governments.
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Ere the Sun rises
5d ago
"basically just" is doing a lot of work there. Integrating the Mizrahi into the economy and military is very important to Israel. Their military would be cut in half without the Mizrahi. Israeli GDP wouldn't fall by quite that much due to income inequality but it would constitute the loss of a huge source of labor.
A counterfactual world in which an Ashkenazi from the Ashkenazi Nation can't even hold a verbal conversation with a Mizrahi from the Mizrahi Nation because they speak different languages and have different economies and governments is a world in which they are both easier pickings for their enemies.
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Ere the Sun rises
5d ago
I don't doubt Ashkenazis could run their own small state. But imagine if Israel were divided between an Ashkenazi nation that spoke its own language and a Mizrahi nation that spoke a different language. Different governments, languages, militaries, culture. That would be much weaker than the pan-Jewish nation and movement. The Arabs would prefer them to be divided, wouldn't they?
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Ere the Sun rises
5d ago
Yes definitely, pro-NATO as well. Those are the institutions that would be foundational to a movement like that. Of course the current iteration is far away but the institutional authority is already 75% of the way there.
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Ere the Sun rises
5d ago
The rejection of the ethnic component of Britishness coincided with the collapse of the British Empire. Likewise you note the loss of ethnic Roman identity circa 400 AD Rome, at the twilight of their own empire. America is TBD but the rejection of the ethnic component of Americanism has led to disastrous consequences within a single generation.
All of those empires grew and thrived under the auspice of a distinct ethnic identity and sense of destiny, and then they wilted when it was lost.
"Ethnic purity" is a false dichotomy. Ethnic purity is impossible for empires but maintaining a sense of imperial ethnic identity is not impossible and is a core feature of building and maintaining empires. For everything you could say about Israel, they do not maintain ethnic purity as dailydogma showed below. Yet they maintain a collective ethnic identity and could not survive without that identity.
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Ere the Sun rises
5d ago
And European nationalists should take note of Jewish success in that regard. Where would Israel and Zionism be if it were not a pan-Jewish identarian movement? Imagine if every Jewish subgroup tried to cluster into its own nation with its own language. It wouldn't work, Ashkenazi Nationalism alone could not have built Israel. Its power is derived from being a pan-Jewish movement.
Likewise the European foil to Zionism is not {British Nationalism, Irish Nationalism, French Nationalism, German Nationalism} it's pan-European Nationalism.
Not really, agency is an input to the generation of influential art and culture. I don't think "if everyone switches to my side it's because they have agency and if they choose the Jews it's because they are brainwashed." Ultimately it's all the same shit, it's Culture War. It's all mind-control at the end of the day, or training an LLM. The actual creation of Culture which entails agency is the purview of a much smaller elite.
Yes, I would much prefer the generation of culture that directs the flock in a better direction. But I don't claim that's a different process than the same one that brought us here.
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