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				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
If you had to ballpark...how large a percentage of the American population is the aristocracy?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Easier fix: declare a large crime-free zone in the interior of Alaska.




Dump third offenders there. If they reach the edge they get to go free. Of course, they're dumped in late winter and it gets cold out there. A fourth offense and you're there for life. Third offenders get a special ankle bracelet/collar/something round their necks to show guards they're free to go.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I was on one of these match maker services for free as a guy who got set up with women who were paying $50k+ per year for the privilege.




Congratulations on being born on second or third base and running home! Let me guess: you put yourself through Harvard by working as a male model?




the paypig women (30+, career successful, not necessarily hot or mother-of-your-kids material) aren't what the men are looking for.




I understand that there are a decent number of obese, even morbidly obese, individuals in high powered careers, if doctors at a teaching hospital in the Northeast US are anything to go by. That being said...what exactly do you mean by "not being mother-of-your-kids material"? The only thing I can think of that would be disqualifying is functioning alcoholism, maybe stimulant use. Most of the other things I can think of - like serious mental illness or drug addiction - seem like they'd rapidly get people booted out of those high-powered careers. I suppose some might also be raging assholes, too...I don't know.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Are we going to ask men who are 30+ to kindly stick to dating women of their own age?




We already do, at least a little bit. 2rafa's said below that this doesn't happen THAT much, and census data about marriage bears that out.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah. You also have a big difference between people looking for the best outcome and ones interested in the least bad outcome...these are very different things. Tate hustlers want to get rich, not be middle-income plumbers or something who have a decent chance of getting off the tools and starting a small plumbing business when they're 40. PUAs are more concerned with dating hot, loyal women than avoiding really fucked-up shit that sends people to the hospital and morgue.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There's that, and also the fact that people aren't as willing to accept straight-up no-bullshit tragedy in order to get married. Fifty years ago, a short guy might've been willing to settle for a batshit crazy woman who hits him and tried to strangle their 11-year-old son once...as long as it happens behind closed doors. An awkward guy might've been okay living What's Eating Gilbert Grape with a 450-pound wife and a couple of kids. An autistic woman might simply accept being with a shithead that beats her and the kids. Now that incomes have gone up, religion isn't as strong as it once was, and the Internet has given even isolated people a clearer understanding of what's NOT NORMAL as well as top-tier bullshit to strive for...these people are choosing to cut their losses and remain single.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
People were also poorer in the old days. The economic benefits of marriage and mutual support meant an awful lot. Nowadays, people are single more often because the BATNA doesn't mean running a huge risk of being destitute.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah. Hell, I don't even mind whatever election fraud bullshit is going on on both sides, as long as there's a kind of...gentleman's agreement to only cheat so much and in certain ways, and it's for the most part kept under the rug so most of the peasants like us think it's mostly legitimate.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Religion. So far, that's the only real thing that we've found that keeps "ideal communities" - like monasteries, nunneries, and kibbutzim - going for more than a few generations. The Catholic Church seems like the likeliest candidate for something like this, although Mormonism and maybe Islam might be able to pull it off. Or maybe some new, modern religion...it would be nice if we had a religion that had been born in and adapted for modern, industrial society rather than something that worked very well for agrarian societies and was ultimately adapted to industrial ones.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah. I don't know if they wound up in fandom or science fiction or shit like that a couple generations ago...the eccentric truck driver with a bunch of sci-fi books in his truck who never married.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah. It is unusually tolerant of socially incompetent individuals, but does not screen out the socially competent.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'm not sure about rationalists in general, but this guy sounds a little bit like Italian Fascism. He wants to restore a traditional, religious moral order by utilizing the force of the State to do so. It's either that, caesaropapism, or both. We might get something like this if we, as a nation, decided to do as the Japanese did in 1868, disbanding our government and looking to rival nation-states for the best examples of their cultural practices. That was a huge exception, though. More than likely we'd get one kind or another of hellhole.


*Not that this wouldn't also be bad...but there's an excellent chance that instead of basically pleasant Mormonism or something, Utah 2.0 on steroids, you'd instead get a fairly large mountain of fresh skulls.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I don't know about that. There's definitely genetic editing that we probably should be doing: metabolic diseases like Huntington's come to mind. Then there's things where we've got trade-offs...where a little of it can be OK but a lot is straight up crippling, like autism and ADHD. The issue we have with cloning is that maybe a hundred or so different types of human become fashionable and that kind of monoculture is going to fuck us up royally. If it's a few hundred Navy SEALs or something it's all good though.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
They might be high-IQ bubbles...but MIT is not known for being full of socially astute individuals. Unlike DC. MIT's probably where you can find people long on IQ and short on EQ. DC's where you can find people with lots of both. Average IQ, low EQ - probably some kind of solitary tradesman or truck driver? Some kind of very concrete job, maybe where there's a shortage.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah, what you have looks a little bit like Italian Fascism. I suppose it might work, for certain values of "work"; I've heard China called the world's first mature Fascist state.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Too expensive? I mean, the Chinese government is pretty goddamn ruthless and if they wanted to they could easily pull this off. Maybe it's more expensive to clone 1,000 Navy SEALs and hope that a hundred of them decide to follow in their fathers' footsteps. You've got 900 guys who are doing something with their lives other than being SEALs. Take David Goggins...there might be 1 David Goggins and 9 fat truck drivers (which Goggins was, more or less, at one point) from your cloning program.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 12, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah. Also, IMHO...if those ForeverAlone guys are short - 5'5" or less - they could be climbing V10 consistently, be the best climber in their local gym by a large margin. Unless they're making a million a year or better and have top one-percent charisma? They've got a snowball's chance in Hell of being with a girl who is wealthy and functional enough to afford a climbing gym. Short men, IMHO, are essentially selected by lot to be remarkable human beings, to be nurses, caretakers, and social workers for their partners, or to be celibate for life. The latter seems to be a little bit frowned upon these days...although there's an awful lot of short medical residents who are "focused on their careers". Probably better than living What's Eating Gilbert Grape or winding up with someone who's a danger to herself or others.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Large mammals, such as polo ponies and police dogs, can be cloned. Not only do these animals not have health problems, but they are able to perform their role very well. It's not difficult to extrapolate from that and conclude that human cloning is technically possible. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that some large, powerful nation-state has a human-cloning black project going...those super-soldier Navy SEALs might be in elementary school now, being raised by their SEAL fathers or CIA agents or something like that.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Hmm. Incel forums are one example. IRL...hmm. For low social IQ, engineering departments, maybe, although that's complicated by the fact that Aspies can socialize and network OK enough among themselves but flounder when interacting with normies. I've heard tales of technical departments with lots of sperg-engineers, a smaller number of half-sperg liasons, and then a bunch of normies using the sperg-engineers' products. Maybe MIT, half-jokingly described as the largest sheltered workshop for autists in the US, has some of these bubbles.


For high social-EQ bubbles? I'm pretty sure you can find lots of them in DC...lots of bushleague politician types and strivers looking to become more connected.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Also in the alcohol case, I suspect if instead of the common packaging for serious abusers being bum wine or some sort of standard-proof cheap liquor (which are easily distinguishable from each other), it was whatever the addict could get ranging between 5% and 90% alcohol, plus perhaps some isopropyl alcohol mixed in, and the addict couldn't immediately tell the difference by the taste/burn, we'd have a lot more overdoses.




Most definitely agreed. And now with xylazine, you've got straight methanol or rat poison or something in 1/a few hundred or so? of these bottles of "booze".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Can you describe - in a detailed manner - what it is like to be a person with 1) social IQ 1 SD above the mean, and in a bubble of same and 2) social IQ 1 SD below the mean, and in the same bubble? Are there "high-social-IQ" strategies that people are using that the socially impaired can't quite pull off? Social isolation is a kind of poverty trap and has the same dynamics.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah, this guy is self-employed, for some values of "self-employed", and doesn't seem to be hurting people through his eccentric lifestyle.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 14, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The ones in super-camps in the woods or parks are beyond the resources of most organizations and cities to locate, let alone survey.




This. There are people that live mostly "normal" lives and live in their cars or even in the woods. They're clean, showered, hold down jobs. I've heard of undergrads doing this as well as people with blue collar jobs.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 7, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Can a moderately successful 34 year old woman improve herself to the point where she can attract someone of broadly similar looks and status?




Shooting fish in a barrel in Silicon Valley. Plenty of fit multimillionaire virgins out there. Especially if she's not morbidly obese or a danger to herself or others.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 7, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Hmm.


    

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    Make things like McDonald's, junk food, etc. low-status. Like smoking cigarettes.
    

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    Stop subsidizing HFCS and other junkfood. Start subsidizing healthier options.
    

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    A bit harsher - different tax rates, potentially different jail sentences and traffic fines, etc for heavy people.
    

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    Morbidly obese people also are expected to be celibate: it's considered disgusting for them to present themselves as anything other than more or less asexual, and it's transgressive and considered in extremely poor taste for them to be in relationships.
    

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    Intensive shaming. Weight loss of the Hock. If you're morbidly obese you are expected to train and have yourself dumped into the Alaskan wilderness in late winter with no rescue beacon. If you don't make it out, you're too fat to be a good citizen; if you survive, you're presumably leaner and fitter after having spent a couple weeks in absolutely frigid conditions hauling your gear through the Alaskan wilderness. If you're still big? You get dumped again and again 'till you're either fit or dead. This is...strictly voluntary, but you're seen as cowardly and dishonorable for not doing it.
    

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