SkookumTree
2yr ago
Things are going slightly better. I still believe that I am fundamentally unlovable due to autism and subpar physical appearance, but I've realized - just like my dad taught me with respect to work performance - that if I'm going to avoid terrible outcomes, I need to be in the top ten percent. That just gets you a seat at the table...just like top-10-percent performance at work is table stakes for an Aspie to get a job, keep food on the table, and not be living in the ghetto or trailerpark dodging bullets and assholes chasing you with knives. I've got to look like I could compete in physique bodybuilding competitions, be impeccably dressed, and be extremely kind AND make...hmm...maybe a million a year? just to have a chance at a relationship with someone that isn't going to wind up with someone in some kind of institution or other. There is nothing wrong with this...that's just how it is.
So I've been practicing speaking better, learning facial expressions, and being graceful. I believe that the average person - the average Joe - is every bit as good socially as an English longbowman was at archery seven hundred years ago, or as good as his Mongolian counterpart was on horseback. That they can go years without making a blunder large enough to be put into words (at least, while sober), that every smile, every gesture, every laugh is as graceful, as effortless, and as beautiful as a concert pianist's music or a professional ballerina's grace. To be better than this takes immense determination and talent, but I hope to be tolerable at some point...to not subtly repulse people because I laughed for a fraction of a second too long at a joke.
I don't know if anyone on the spectrum has ever become above-average socially. Maybe Aella, but she's a special case...I'm a dude, and short of independently advancing medical science I'll never be pretty or beautiful. But I hope that I can be charismatic enough to not only have a large social circle but convince someone to willingly and freely endure something they find disgusting. That's a hard thing to do...but there have been average people that have pulled it off.
A question, for all of you: If you have ever seen anyone who was charismatic enough to inspire people to willingly endure disgust, or misery, or chronic pain simply to make THEM happy, how did they do it?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Hmm. I kind of disagree here. Being 2/10 probably sucks a good deal less than being a 1/10. At a certain level of unattractiveness...say bottom five percent or so, rough ballpark...it's kind of understood that you're not interested in sex or relationships, and to be interested - even in the abstract - is transgressive and creepy. Nope: Quasimodo doesn't get to join in when the guys are shooting the shit about attractive celebrities, there's an awkward silence. If Quasimodo hits on Jane Average, there is a good chance that he will be considered creepy for doing what would be unremarkable for Joe Average. Once you aren't experiencing what disability theorists call desexualization...yes, you're right there. It's a logit-curve-shaped distribution.
No, I am not pulling this from my ass, incel boards, or other crap. I've personally experienced this (although it was due to a combination of autism and physical unattractiveness; I've had friends tell me on several occasions that I either should never have a relationship or that my only hope was gold diggers). And my experience aside, I've had similar conversations with unattractive men and women that described the same phenomenon I'm talking about...not to mention the disability theorists' description of this.
This is NOT "You're unattractive; I'm not interested" but "Damn: you're unattractive as fuck - how dare you be interested in anyone, ever?". It's doing poorly on the basketball court versus being told you shouldn't even be on the court at all.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Large changes in physical appearance produce cynicism in many.
I wonder why more people aren't getting plastic surgery, to be honest. They're not exactly leaving $20s on the ground in Grand Central...but they're failing to climb the stairs to the top of the Empire State building for $1000 in many cases.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
I'm trying to make contra the Black Pill attitude of "they only love me because I'm not fat now and that's depressing."
I mean. Large changes in physical attractiveness in either direction tend to produce cynicism. Read some accounts of fat people that lost a lot of weight. Or of people that got medically-indicated surgery for their puny jaws. Or on the other side...stories about people that became disabled or disfigured.
Returns on physical appearance, like returns on most things, are logit-curve-shaped: it rocks to rock and sucks to suck. Luckily, OP has now managed to be well above average for physical appearance. Good for him.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
LMAO - queer people not being able to sit straight is a meme.
I'd bet that physical flexibility at age 5 correlates with LGBT identification at age 20.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
That is another explanation. That being said, these countries are more or less allies of America and the French or German or Australian versions of the NSA are cooperating with us. Hell, even famously neutral Switzerland helped us during the Cold War. If these dudes found out about a gigantic, well-funded pedophile murderer website…the guys running it, and a lot of their customers, would have law enforcement knocking at their doors.
You still have a bunch of dedicated hobbyists going up against large, powerful national governments with lots of resources and the backing of the general public…people would be literally calling for these guys’ heads.
The only way this would be possible, I think, is if these people had powerful patrons protecting them. I don’t know if that would mix well with just any evil shitbag with a laptop and a few hundred bucks’ worth of crypto being able to log onto these sites…I don’t think it would. Mr. Evil Pedo gets busted by law enforcement. There’s a good chance he sings like a canary…and if he doesn’t, there’s the next guy, and the next…someone’s going to spill the beans in hopes of a lighter sentence. Feds use that dude to go after bigger fish, with the cooperation of the NSA and the other alphabet soup boys.
There’d have to be a fairly large conspiracy and powerful people protecting something like this…if peasants (that means us) found out about this shit we’d be pissed. Could be a reasonably plausible way to get the American people to give up a lot of our civil liberties and accept an NSA headquarters at every police station or something, to be honest.
To sum up: you’ve still got like 100 militia dudes, who are decent at fighting but not professional grade, going up against hundreds of high quality professional soldiers. These guys are dog meat without a hell of a lot of help.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Yeah, that makes sense. I’m not sure if I completely agree with her perspective either, but “stretchy-skinned weird smart queer” seems like a cluster. So too, these people seem to have a higher rate of autoimmune diseases.
What did that hypermobility look like?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Yeah. I don’t know if she’d compare herself to Joe Average, though…our puny hero from before compared himself to both Joe and Jane Average. The fact that most men are far stronger than most women didn’t sink in quite as much for this guy, due to his not personally experiencing that. The puny guy didn’t compare himself to exceptionally small/weak/scrawny women…
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Premature baldness plus subpar facial appearance and 5’6” stature. Nothing that a medical professional would call a deformity, though I might benefit from jaw surgery.
Then you’ve got the autism to add to that. There have been studies that showed that neurotypicals (that’s normal people) judged autists as awkward based on two seconds of footage of them socially interacting, and even from snapshots of social interaction. That might not be a physical deformity, but it sure functions an awful lot like one, if people can be like “That guy’s awkward” after watching him talk to his friend across the room. For two seconds.
As such…I think a million a year sounds closer to what it would take to get someone who’s not morbidly obese, can work a full time job, not a danger to herself or others, and not addicted to hard drugs to endure that kind of disgust. I don’t blame people for that…I mean, it’d take a lot of convincing to get most people to be with someone they were viscerally disgusted by!
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Here’s something to chew on:
Dr. Sharon Megalethery’s RCCX theory.
TL;DR chronically ill formerly high achieving doctor theorizes that epigenetic changes are responsible for (or greatly increase risk of) high-functioning autism, ADHD, mood disorders, eating disorders, autoimmune disorders, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, and queerness. Also these people are more intelligent than average.
A disproportionate number of autistic and ADHD people are queer; same with being hypermobile. You’ve got a phenotype that is neurodivergent, less straight than average, and worse at manual labor, or at least more likely to be crippled by it. And it runs in families.
So your Red Tribe rural guy that leaves town at 18 to head for the Big City might well have had a father or uncle who had weird things happening with his joints and who’s a bit more fucked up than most from a life of manual labor. Maybe he’s not straight, either. Maybe he’s always been a bit different, and thinks he can find acceptance in the city. Yes, it’s a cliche…but some of that is due to straight-up physiological differences that mean that he’s playing with loaded dice with respect to chronic pain if he becomes a construction worker or something.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Let’s say that it is quite interesting that Tor relays seem to be located in Western, industrialized countries…and not Russia or China. It’s also true that Tor data can be deanonymized through certain types of attacks. The NSA and their counterparts in countries like France or Australia don’t bother catching puny small-fry dudes buying weed or something on the black market, just like the FBI doesn’t arrest these kinds of guys.
However, they can and do bust the owners and operators of large-scale darknet markets. You can go and buy weed (or even things like heroin or fentanyl) on the dark web fairly easily, but things like hiring competent reliable hitmen are considerably more difficult and may get you in trouble with law enforcement.
A site that ran a lucrative child-porn business would have a lot of motivated enemies. You’ve got to produce that shit somewhere. So too, consider the technical savvy of your average Joe. He’s no Satoshi Nakamoto; if there’s thousands of these sacks of shit a few will fuck up and become compromised by the alphabet soup gang.
Fighting out of the Red Corner: a bunch of dedicated hobbyists who are into evil things.
Fighting out of the Blue Corner: an agency full of competent professionals who make it their business to catch things like this, supported by the American people (at least here; I’d bet the average Joe on the street doesn’t give a fuck about illegal wiretapping if it’s being used to catch evil pedos sitting on piles of ill-gotten cash cryptocurrency)
I suppose this might work if it was all done overseas, in a country with lax laws and politicians that were amenable to bribery. Might. They’d still have issues with needing to produce this material and not get fucking killed.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
My vote is for Insanely Sane. That seems like an interesting thought.
My first thoughts on it is that the sane have a lot to lose and are being served by the system; the insane have little in the way of personal resources and capital. Sometimes, there are exceptions, but not often.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
I mean, sure, maybe that 5’4” scrawny dude would lose a one-on-one contest to freak of nature Brittney Griner. Maybe.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Yeah. I think there’s something to the idea that atrazine is making the frogs gay…and the humans queer. And trans.
Lots of confounders: but are trans people more likely to have grown up near like farms using lots of pesticides or plastic bottle factories or something?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
You were an exceptionally small/weak male that drew the short straw in the genetic lottery.
I wonder what would happen if you got a freaking animal of a woman in here…6’2”, 200 pounds, national champion swimmer who could bench 225. I’m guessing this animal would be more likely to shrug and say that she wasn’t that much weaker than the guys…
SkookumTree
2yr ago
I don’t know about (certain types of) shooting; famously the Soviets found that women could be good, even excellent snipers. This being said, I don’t know all that much about competition shooting. My guess is that there wouldn’t be much of an advantage for males in, say, thousand-yard rifle.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
would it be a better world if no one other than Usain Bolt rain track or no one other than Elon Musk tried to start their own company
Hmm. I mean. Running track is fine, but 99 percent of people aren’t ever going to make a living at it. Most high-school sprinters, even hardworking ones, don’t even get college scholarships out of it. Track’s fine, but don’t hang your hat on it. As for starting companies…some people shouldn’t even try it, it’s risky and a bad idea for them.
There’s a lot of variation in ‘relationship outcomes’ and I think there are a sizable number of people who simply do not make good partners. It’s like…the US Army doesn’t take people in the bottom 15 percent of IQ, because they can’t even make them into good cooks or something. There’s a similar phenomenon for relationships…something like social IQ or something like this.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Some say Chris McCandless was a hero.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Yeah. Given that tubing of the correct diameter can be acquired/made, all that’s necessary is a set of basic machine tools for the rest. As for powder and cartridge production…that seems like it would be a bit harder and riskier, but potentially doable. Dangerous, perhaps, but possible. These things take preparation and know-how to produce, though…this guy had to roll his own ammunition, for one. Maybe you (or someone you know) could’ve built a better gun (or at least, better gunpowder and primers).
Organized groups would definitely have the ability to make 5.56 cartridge factories in the woods/desert/jungle/clandestine location, however.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Got it. They just need to expand/widen a hole in .25 inch tubing to get it to be .308 inches or something like that.
Yeah...clandestine gun manufacturers could do pretty well IF they put some thought and preparation, as well as a decent amount of resources, into it. I'd think it'd cost...roughly as much as a used car to get what you need to build a good gun and decent ammunition.
Think, however, about the crude gun that was used to assassinate Shinzo Abe. It was essentially a crappy homemade shotgun. That is about what your lone wolf criminals are working with; larger, more organized groups could get better tools.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Is there a problem with building the tubes themselves? If gunmakers can get those barrels drilled to the right precision...
SkookumTree
2yr ago
That is an interesting one. There's a lot of friendless mass shooters that wouldn't have been able to get two people to vouch for them. On the other hand, some of those guys used guns that were owned by relatives. Ballpark? Maybe a quarter of mass shooters wouldn't have been able to fulfill those criteria.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
3D printers
Printing what? They may make it easier to build certain types of guns, or better guns. But what you want to build clandestine guns is a machine shop; the hardest part of a gun to build is the barrel. Especially if you are talking about rifles. Yes, dedicated clandestine gun manufacturers can and have overcome these difficulties. But barrels are the bottleneck. Not easy at all to drill a straight, centered hole through a bar of steel with a tolerance of a thousandth of an inch or better. Nor is it easy to then rifle that barrel.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
This is amusing. It seems to be like some kind of zombie Christianity or something. Yes, secular humanism is Christianity with the serial numbers filed off, but this is an interesting thing indeed.
That is true.
If you are fairly well-off (say, a doctor or techbro) but also very unattractive, how might you do this while making reasonably sure that the kids are raised in an OK environment...no abusive shitbaggery, plus basic food, shelter, and medical care. I don't know about the route of importing a wife...that might work, but again, she's disgusted by you (for good reason!) and is only with you for $$$ and a green card. Maybe the husband's going to be a decent human being to the stepchildren. Maybe not; I've heard some stories.
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