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Soteriologian

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Lo, those who are entombed are cast on high grounds.

Men stir up strife unopposed.

Groaning is throughout the land, mingled with laments.

See now the land is deprived of kingship.

What the pyramid hid is empty.

The people are diminished.

-Ipuwer


				
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Lo, those who are entombed are cast on high grounds.


Men stir up strife unopposed.


Groaning is throughout the land, mingled with laments.


See now the land is deprived of kingship.


What the pyramid hid is empty.


The people are diminished.


-Ipuwer



				

				

				

					

					

					
					
					

					
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I don't know what Vance truly believes about Iran.




He was shilling it in a live TV interview the day he was announced as Trump’s running mate. Unprompted!


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Friday Fun Thread for October 23, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I hate "apps,"




The problem isn't apps. Reddit had an amazing app called Apollo at one point, but it was made by a solo dude with no affiliation to the Reddit company, so... naturally, rather than adopt his app as their own or hire him, they harassed him off the board so that their steaming pile of shit wouldn't have to compete with anything good.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 12, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The thing is it's not merely a lack of caring of the "remnants of civilisation" here. Make no mistake, the state has extreme power, and can and will use it -- as you will witness if you make any effort to stop mass migration or its destruction.


They will freeze your bank accounts, block your social media, imprison you, or outright shoot you if necessary. The state is alive and well, it's just on the enemy team.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 5, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
"Just pay into the racket bro"


Yes, we get it. Everyone has to throw all their money at the golem to be allowed to participate in society. Some of us aren’t buying it, in both senses.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 5, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
This particular one, no.


The concern isn't that Lean won't confirm the proofs. It's unlikely major AI vendors would brazenly lie like that. Rather, it's that you need to be able to use Lean like an IDE to poke around at the proof to investigate whether it even makes sense, whether they proved the thing they claimed to (a bug in the problem statement), or whether they found another bug in Lean itself.


As for running on some cloud host, my napkin math + Googling shows on the order of $1000/mo. But the thing is it's not just the cost: nobody that uses Lean knows anything about cloud hosting or how to set Lean up that way, because that's not the way anyone ever uses Lean. It would be like asking asking a Pokemon streamer to play with their GameBoy emulator on AWS instead of on their local PC. It's possible, yes, but the skillset to do so is completely orthogonal to what they usually do and they'd be lost attempting it. It's hard enough to even get mathematicans to use Lean in the first place, much less learn the basics of Linux sysadmin work.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 5, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Ya, I think it was strategic to start this whole math run with that simple, easily-verifiable counterexample, because what we've received since then is not of that character. What we're getting now is mountains of slop that nobody has any hope of parsing in a thousand years, and that people can't even check in Lean because the "proofs" are so big they can't even be checked on consumer hardware.


But hey, if you pay into the totally-not-Ponzi-racket and buy industrial hardware at astronomically-inflated prices, you too can have the privilege to actually load the proofs in Lean!


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 4, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I wouldn't use The Moscow Times for anything. It's not a real Russian news source, it's some slop publisher LARPing as Russian.


If you want the official Russian perspective on things, I recommend TASS.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 7, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
For reference, the Lean 4 mathlib library is an attempt to formalise all mathematics known to humankind, and it sits at 15M lines.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 7, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Uh, I don’t think so? As far as I remember, the guy was showing off his proof and even used two different provers to make sure his proof was really true and not due to a spurious bug (and he ended up finding two different bugs in two different provers lol)


Where are you hearing that he was merely bug hunting and dressed up his bug as a Collatz proof?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 7, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
May be tossing egg on my face, but I'll post this anyway:


There's a decent chance this proof is not valid. It's formalised in Lean 4, yes, but we also had a Lean-verified proof of the Collatz conjecture a couple months ago that turned out to be spurious (they didn't actually find a proof; they found a bug in Lean).


That proof was 320 lines. This Navier-Stokes proof is 1.6 million lines, and according to their README, requires 100GB to even check. Thanks to somebody eating all the ram, my PC does not presently have 100GB, so I can't run Lean myself to check it. But I will point out that the README explicitly mentions Lean 4.32.2, and the release notes for Lean 4.33.1 mention two soundness bugs fixed, so... it sure looks like there are exploitable soundness bugs in the version they used for this proof.


And if an LLM can find a soundness bug in 320 lines, surely it can sneak one into 1.6 million lines.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of August 31, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Gotta say I agree with the bad writing part. I started reading Foundation a few months ago and couldn't get into it, and haven't bothered trying to finish. Really expected more given how prominent the series is. It reads like rationalist fanfic.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 20, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I think the labour union left has much more in common with the Tucker Carlson right than the LGBT activists.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 20, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
They aren't. To quote the popular right-wing retort: "Stalin would have had these people shot."


The labour left is -- and I know this may come as a shock -- the people doing the actual labour who believe they should be paid more for it. Notice how they get basically nothing, while the LGBT people get every megacorp changing their logos and firing anyone who won't use pronouns. The labour advocacy is rhetorical only; the LGBT has the actual teeth.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Friday Fun Thread for July 24, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Chemically speaking, coffee (well, caffeine) doesn't wake you up so much as it inhibits you from getting sleepy. The reason to drink coffee early isn't that it wakes you up, it's that if you drink it late in the day, it will inhibit your ability to fall asleep come bedtime.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 20, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The social activism left has much, more more political power than the labour left (which the labour left claims is due to the capitalists hijacking actual leftism to replace it with this caricature which poses no threat to them.)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 20, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Personally, I'm very bearish on all this. I think the buff LLMs give to serious contributors are minimal, while the buff LLMs give to spammers are... well, the largest buff they've received since the advent of the internet itself.


I think the effect of this is going to be competent people who were once enthusiastic and cared about software will say "Alright, that's enough. I'm out."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 13, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The casting couch isn't a rich people thing, it's a theatre thing. Theatre has been associated with promiscuous behaviour for millennia.


In general, I see no evidence that the increased capacity of the wealthy to buy access to sex results in their doing so any more than their capacity to buy unlimited Doritos and Mountain Dew results in their doing so.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 13, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The problem with this thesis is there’s a baseline rate of sexual crimes, and despite all conspiritard claims to the contrary, I do not actually see evidence that the rate for powerful people exceeds the baseline rate—especially given the obvious misincentive to accuse powerful people of things in hopes to score media views or even extort settlement money.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 6, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Philosophy makes so little progress because every time it actually works, it gets reclassified as something other than "philosophy." Much like magic.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of July 6, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I wish liberalism would just be liberalism instead of erase-the-whites-while-masquerading-as-liberalism.




Perhaps this is just the standard libertarian to fascism pipeline




There is no libertarian to fascism pipeline. The "libertarian" tech right like Thiel and Musk is not and has never been libertarian in the sense that any legacy American would use the term: everything these people do increases the centralisation of power, especially in ways that enable control over mass media and surveillance to direct public opinion. Nothing about that is libertarian, regardless of whatever nice things they say in interviews or whether they share our annoyance with shrill blue-haired activists. Twitter raced to implement Age Verification via State ID before this was even a topic of public discussion! Racing to implement censorship and surveillanceware before any government can even get around to mandating it is not, in fact, what libertarians do.


And obviously the reason all the governments across the planet began mandating it in sync is because the big tech companies are paying them to. "Oh, no, Mr. Government, don't force all my users to hand me their government IDs to access my platform! Stahp!" Unfortunately, we're ruled by people with room temperature IQ, who will blissfully hand over their populations to megacorp control without even realising what's been done.


Of course, that's also part of the game: anyone with above room temperature IQ will be primaried: the ads will be fed to the district voters via the mass media control towards a foolish candidate that can be controlled with "advisors."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I can only assume, in protest of Leo, they donned Android watches instead of Apple watches at the event.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The emergent tech right seems to have switched sides for reasons unrelated to this: it was at best discontent with the social justice nonsense, though more likely as the leftists contend, because the left is actually somewhat capable of wielding regulatory power, while the right is basically clueless and incapable of wielding this power at all.


The reason I say this is JD Vance, the tech anointed heir, has an Indian wife and children that look far more like her than him. And the RNC featured a tattooed pornstar and an Indian praying to a Hindu god. This does not sound like "rightward drift": it sounds like a hostile takeover of the Republican party. The mass import of Indians and degeneracy promotion will continue just as it did when the Democrats were in power. All the right-wing voters got some token oppression of LatAm immigrants for a short period, and even that was executed with all the enthusiasm of a geriatric bingo club.


But hey, we got some WWE on the White House lawn. And I love WWE Smackdown!


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Part of the reason I'm so distrusting of this is that these visas are de facto Indian mass immigration pipelines. Yet if I look at the open source software I depend and use every day, it's... not built by Indians. It's built mostly by western Europeans, followed by ex-Soviet demographics and white Americans, with India being barely represented at all.


So, if we're so thirsty for talent, why aren't we mass importing the Swedes and Swiss?


I just find the whole thing extremely dishonest. The problem with the Kalergi conspiracy theory is even if it's not "true" in some sense, it's hard to find a more accurate model of the world.


And to the extent that capitalists are indeed responsible for the Great Replacement under some well-intentioned chart-maxxing myopia, well... I don't know, I'm kinda inclined to not object too hard when the commies have their way with them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I probably should have specified "American Protestants" in the first instance, rather than the second. There is, in fact, a difference between people who cross an ocean to brave a frontier with their own little religious sect and a monarch who wants to get a divorce.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You're probably right.


Still, I find Elon baffling because he does sound moderately sentient when he talks. Of course, then you see his Elden Ring build and.... yeesh, one can understand why he started paying people to play on his accounts.