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				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Why?  I think it was very feminized- layers of bureaucracy simply to make work (especially important for women), a total lack of emphasis on family formation and children (China is an even better example of that), and total equality of outcome (which favors the gender with the evolutionary disadvantage when it comes to producing physical things at scale).


Were the same things true of the fascists?  No; where communists increase bureaucracy fascists do away with it, where communists fail to provide suitable accommodations fascists say 'living space', and equality of outcome is as far as I can tell not a thing for a Nazi (unless it's a group for which a claim that they owe reparations can be made).


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


If that is not "proof of Bad Nazi" to you, what is?




Is Hitler in the room with us right now?


Look.  The reason communists hate fascists is because the driving impulse behind both are identical except for who, whom.  It's bikeshedding.


The reason Germany and Italy went one way and Russia and China went the other is simply due to which gender role [gender is too reductive in the face of mechanization] found itself in oversupply relative to its output given the technological conditions at the time.  Working class men were in undersupply in the former nations, and in oversupply in the latter (sometimes called the 'unneccessariat').


That is why communism usually goes full civil war mass murder dependent on the poverty of the nation, whereas fascism does not need to.  (That's not a guarantee it won't, of course, but since when have dictatorships- including communism/fascism, which is the dictatorship of the working class- ever really been rational?)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
That's just communism calling itself liberalism.  It's the equivalent of a nation calling itself a "Democratic Republic" when it is in fact neither of those things.


Liberalism is not a dictatorship of the working class; liberalism is a codified cease-fire between groups that naturally seek to become dictatorships to let them exploit their resource surplus (this is distinct from monarchy and oligarchy, where in those cases the benefits of that resource surplus can be easily captured by a limited number of actors- liberalism self-establishes when that is not possible).


Once that surplus runs out, including for hedonic treadmill reasons, people turn their attention back to reforming those dictatorships.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
All of the above?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Fascism is what a dictatorship of the working class looks like when it forgets to invite any women.


Communism is what a dictatorship of the working class looks like when it forgets to invite any men.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I think that you and mister throwaway are being far too negative towards this subset of the population




You misunderstand.


We know that they misuse these tools/words/concepts that could have (and perhaps were originally intended to) helped us, in an intentionally destructive way.  It's not Complete Asshole Disease Cluster B disorder, it's My Anxiety (and everything else I've Munchausen'd my way into today).


The article very clearly describes us, who are describing actual problems (and I can attest that the statements made in the article are indeed very accurate), and not just using them as a license to be selfish pricks.


It's difficult for the normies to tell the difference and depending on the situation sometimes there legitimately isn't one.  They just have to trust us.  And that is difficult, even for others like us.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Merits are merits; descent is descent.




Of course, you notice that the SJ position is the exact same as tradition but with the labels swapped.  This makes perfect sense, because reversed stupidity is intelligence (or revenge, if you prefer).


What you have labelled as the Marxist position is just the classical liberal position, but with a class angle grafted on.


This is an obvious pattern to me- traditionalists and progressives have a... significant amount of inertia in their political philosophies, and while liberals might actually be able to accomplish the tasks at hand, they're also generally outnumbered so unless you have philosopher-kings in charge like the US did after WW2, you're stuck with either traditional stupidity or modern ytidiputs.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


There is no feminist Marx; there is no feminist equivalent to Capital.




Feminism is redistributionist at its core, though.  It just looks really weird because men don't understand women, and understanding women takes way more words to write down.  They have a 200,000 year head start on their complexity and selection pressure has been high with respect to hiding their resource-extraction behaviors from the gender that most often takes the time to seriously analyze this sort of thing.


Redistribution looks like traditional communism when men do it because their biological specialization [and inherent worth] is based on labor (so equality of outcome means a good laborer and a bad laborer receive the same economic capital).  When your biological specialization is something else, the character of redistributing what that is will be entirely different (perhaps one where equality of outcome means a pretty woman and an ugly woman receive the same social capital- efforts to establish equality of outcome won't focus on labor, or if it does it's just a side effect of technology-enabled gender equality).




Nobody who I think is worth taking remotely seriously tries to group together Christianity and Marxism.




Only in the sense that Marx (as far as I can gather; I haven't taken the time to properly read his work) is pointing at (intentionally or not) what the wiser Christian communities were doing at the time.  And neither of those approaches scale, for the same reasons- they don't account for the wicked.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


You're still agreeing that this is a real phenomena just putting it into a different box.




No, the point of doing that is because people who say they have it are usually using it as an excuse to be destructive, and the cost of making a Type I error here is nothing compared to what you'll spend if you make a Type II error here instead and give a bunch of wicked people carte blanche to just make up self-serving nonsense at everyone else's expense (otherwise known as "sufferers of Cluster B disorders").


Naturally, this has a huge selection bias, where people who are just making shit up are overwhelmingly more likely to talk about it, especially if society is currently biased towards making Type II errors in their direction.  The word "religious sacrifice" was generally used to refer to this when society contextualized its desires using that lens, which is why people with an inkling of this tend to class atheism and woke as religions (because of the way they justify the benefits of intentionally making those particular Type II errors).


And even then, there are people who can use this 'condition' productively, and there are those who can not.  Again, in conditions of societal oversupply [which people without the condition are relatively adept at noticing, at least on a group level] it can be a reasonable strategy to over-reject people on the grounds that they're destructive with that power, or that they don't have enough of the power to actually be worth fully utilizing them.


Much like with words related to gender identity and sexuality, and potentially for the exact same reason, the terms the wise (or more precisely, those who have this condition, or at least those who are fully capable of understanding what it is and how it works) use to talk to each other are dangerous to everyone else when they inevitably fall into the wrong hands.


A big part of having this condition is knowing when, when not, and how to talk about advanced topics to co-sufferers.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Pawoo and Gab are blocked by most of the network to the point they might as well be their own thing.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Well, then I must not be a man, as this didn't work whenever I tried it.  Despite the insistence of a particular lasagna-loving cat I do indeed, appear, sadly?, to be so immune.


I could perhaps have been shocked out of that state if my mind was changed a long time ago, but therein lies the problem- if it's competition a boy is rejecting, you might have to give him a... bit of slow pitch so that he actually bothers.  But why would any sane man (or woman, for that matter) allow a good woman to waste herself on play-dominance training for such a boy to the strict detriment of his more natively competition-minded peers?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I’m nearly certain that I’m the only person here that has actually been to a REE processing plant.




I think you're less unique than you think; most of us have been on 4chan at least once.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I think that blueskies problem is with too many witch hunters and not enough witches.




Western societies in general suffer from a systems-level equivalent of an auto-immune disorder where the demand for witch activity far outstrips its supply.


Also, it is noteworthy that this case is literally "Burgers?".  I guess life does imitate art.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


My conversion therapy was done with a priest




Yeah, they're very powerful.  Once you hear their message- powerful enough to be condensed into a single word- all of a sudden your clothes (and banners, and even your cars on occasion) change color and you're instantly batting for the other team.


In all seriousness, I have no idea how you'd teach a man more interested in beards and shoulders to love tits and ass instead.  I get that that maybe isn't the primary driver, but then again, if it was comprehensible the mechanism of action would be more well-known to the point you'd have more people casually attempting it.  Then again, I wouldn't expect people to shout such a conversion from the rooftops, so...




it stands to reason someone, somewhere, can turn them straight




But that would require a bunch of tomboys and/or cougars willing to debase themselves (for the most unattractive men available, given a traditional female standpoint) in a professional capacity, and those are in short enough supply already.




but also not something that has a justification




Do anti-blasphemy laws help keep people in the faith?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


So they should also be old enough to buy smokes, weed and vodka, own guns, drive cars, have full control over their finances, shoot porn, vote, enlist, gamble in Vegas, make medical decisions without their parent's consent (think transgender surgeries), supply and use sperm banks, hold political office, perform for Epstein?




In order:


They already do, they already do, this was fine in 1960 so why isn't it fine now?, they're nearly there anyway, what finances?, what else do you think 14 year olds use Snapchat for?, no taxation without representation, if they can pass for 18 they lie about it and we didn't much care in the past, welcome to Counter Strike unboxing video #99999, they already do, when they act as sperm banks they owe child support, this would be worse than the current crop of politicians... how, exactly?, meanwhile, in Rotherham...


Oh yeah, and we already try teenagers "as adults" anyway, especially when they break the above laws, so clearly this is just ageism.




we generally do not bestow rights based on how good you are at beating people up.




Rights are not "bestowed".  Men have those rights because they are capable of the organized violence required to force their recognition.  Every one was fought for.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It's been going on for 2 generations now, and I would argue a hallmark of gerontocracies in general.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


14yo perpetrators




Adult perpetrators get adult punishments.  That society is abdicating its duty to train its young men and women and delaying -> denying them a significant chunk of the prime of their life does not change this basic biological fact.


The reason why society does that is related to the reason society generally fails to punish criminals- redistributing resources (intangibles like virtue and intelligence are just as real a resource as physical goods are, though I understand this is a fringe view) from the useful and decent to the useless and evil under a belief that being useless or evil could be solved if the community simply loved them more (that it imposes real costs on everyone else is not material to that analysis).


Thanks to the relatively unbalanced rise in political power of those whose evolutionary biological specialization leads them to solve problems that way, that's the approach we most often see in modern times.  And in fairness, there is something to that approach; keeping humanity's natural biological tendencies in check can be greatly beneficial to mankind.  That being said, though...




At what point should society decide that a kid is beyond redemption?




At the point where means, motive/desire, and opportunity become relevant factors (we treat those who are sufficiently mental defective in the same way- they just go to an institution until they are fixed or die).  It's very rare- like, once-in-a-generation rare- for actual children to pull off capital crimes in the first place, but I really don't have a problem with the sentence for the once-in-a-lifetime case of tweenagers luring and murdering a toddler for kicks being death.  Probably unwise to parade them through the streets before the gallows, though.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


It is your born duty as a male to work, suffer, and sacrifice for women, children, and society with absolutely no expectation of reward for it, simply because it's part of being a man, and if you don't do it, you're not a man.




Which is why feminism is, despite the pretense of its practitioners, the ultimate successor to traditionalism.


In an environment of equality- where both sexes can hold the male role thanks to progressively increasing mechanization (it's been going on since the steam engine, but ramped up hard in the early 20th century thanks to a revolution in lightweight portable mechanical power generation)- men are as a consequence owed the inherent dignity of women human beings.


We have a name for people like this: up until about the mid-1960s, they were called "liberals".  That whole "rights and dignity of man" thing is pointing at precisely this moral hazard.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Importing labour in an unregulated way from third world countries is going to dump wages.




For blue-collar work, yes.


Why should a white-collar worker (including those with that aspiration) care about that, especially if there are an excess of them on the market?


You can alleviate the problem of having too many chiefs by importing more Indians.  It's important to throw chaff about how it's justice for this to happen, so the people smart enough to figure that out don't say anything.  What are they going to do, throw their support behind a counter-elite?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
But the difference here is that if I knew my wife had that fetish, I'd make an attempt to put on the dragon suit once in a while even if I found it boring.  Yes, it's sex work (those things aren't exactly cheap, they're hard to clean, and I'd probably have to find some other way to finish myself off that night, and a lot of guys really despise having to do this), but it's in the contract.


This is just women bitching about having to do sex work, and they feel their negotiating position would be stronger if men could not say "but the women on my computer screen do that without much problem, why don't you?".  Whether they're correct or not is irrelevant to how they feel.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


So they needed some other synonym to denote benign men




Which they immediately ruined by adding "white", which gained stigma through the same process.


"White" and "man" are our words now.  They've lost the social license to say them, and this is the Progressive version of the "we're not using the hard-R" dynamic.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


"A lot of people are now learning about sex from porn,” Anne says.




Femcel complains about having to have the kind of sex men want in order to maintain a relationship, blames other women who show off the goods for free for making men want that kind of sex.

Hear now from Uncle Tom Aunt Tammy about how showing off the goods destroys your ability to please a man.

More news at 11.


It's always just frigid women trying to make sex rarer so they get paid more (read: have better chances of landing a man, as demanded by their biology) for putting out less.  It's the distaff counterpart of the incel "state-mandated GF" thing, and just as fundamentally selfish.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The whole point of the article, weak as it is, is that conservatives reformers are also alienating young men…but not via idpol. Their leadership is every bit as geriatric and their flagship policy is more interesting to blue-collar boomers than to 20-somethings. And, of course, there’s the economy, which just sort of shambles along.




Which is logical, because geriatric blue-collar boomers currently hold the balance of power in the US.


If you fail to get them on side or otherwise demoralize them (perhaps if an external threat is trumped up), reform just straight up loses- that's what happened in 2020 in the US.  A similar dynamic contributed significantly to (if not the main reason for) a reform defeat in Canada a few months ago- just appealing to future generations' interests is not sufficient.


Trump manages to thread this needle in a way other politicians are unable; of course, being associated with blue-collar workers and the way they function and think, and having been embedded into their consciousness in the early '00s, is a massive advantage in this regard.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


It is disgusting and harms them.




Yes, that is an objectively correct characterization of how my outgroup works in relation to me.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 29, 2025
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Just "progressive".  Or "progressive-conservative" if you're more cutting edge- more and more of them will discover they are conservatives at their core, in time.