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Liberty has an anti-privilege bias

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ThisIsSin

Liberty has an anti-privilege bias

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Consider any ideological cause leftists and liberals are interested in: creedal citizenship

If leftists and progressives were that interested in that cause they would have freed their slaves legalized their illegals when they had the power to do so. They have had it several times in the past.

They did not, and because of that inaction- that inability to make a deal with the rest of the country and get it Done- now their cause suffers. Perhaps it was because they'd be destroyed as a party for making legible that flagrant and absurd violation of the laws and norms of the country? Perhaps it was because they believed that holding "they'll be deported otherwise" hostage would curry greater electoral success by driving turnout? Perhaps it was because they could do the county-level equivalent of court-packing by counting them in the census and redistricting accordingly? Perhaps it was because they were of a demographic that (socially, politically, economically) profited most from being able to undercut domestic labor, being of the class that most often buys it? It's difficult to say.


Now, we can talk about corruption in the sense that some slaves are getting rounded up faster than others, or who it's being done to first/who's getting exempted. And I have sympathy for your material conditions; economic instability is, naturally, bad for business as finance for it depends in large degree to a now-frustrated economic forecast (and of all the criticisms of Trump this is the greatest and most grounded, and affects both the capital of the Empire and all of its provinces).

But a side doesn't get to claim it's some unique badness because it [mistake theory] never made the sacrifices and compromises necessary to fix the issue and in so doing revealed that side didn't care, or [conflict theory] where it intentionally made the problem worse.

Whenever he said something that offended [conservative sensibilities], blue-tribers expected him to lose status. Instead, [conservatives] have lost the ability to exert moral power.

Hence, TDS.

These are conservatives, and their conservative media, whinging about the loss of their social credit. (Blues/Ds are, make no mistake, fundamentally conservative- they are everything they once claimed to criticize. They pretend they aren't The Man and purposefully evade the label of "obsolete, entrenched, and corrupt" by defining those things away from themselves, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.)

That's why they have to blast out misinformation (and why the new South Park episodes are just... lame). Just like Fox News (and something the new conservatives- that is, Blue voters- complained bitterly about the old conservatives' version of this), the goal is to keep America divided the moral outrage machine hot enough that they can convince voters that way.

This is why they use words like "corrupt". It's not actually a complaint about physical corruption- though one could claim their opponents don't care, people always make their strongest arguments all the times and there's barely anything there so I draw my conclusions accordingly- but about moral corruption [in the eyes of those who believe they're in charge of what 'moral' is].

Moral people worship Safety, Equality, and Consent. Trump is therefore an icon of sin, an avatar of the sinfulness of an age rejecting the Goddesses.

Remember, it was immoral to end slavery, too.

One guy who has proven above the law, above public opinion, and above the checks and balances which make up so much of our national mythos.

That's our criticism, just of conservatives in general. Of course, it's fine for them to do that because it was popular, and what's popular should always win no matter what the law actually says, right?

They're 'young adult of indeterminate age'-coded. They're not children, because we have clear examples of what those look like in-universe, and they're not elderly, because we have clear examples of that too.

The reason for the overwhelming popularity of young adults in media is that young adults are really the only group that both have goals they haven't achieved yet, and have the power and energy to drive towards those goals. Biologically speaking, that's naturally early-teenager-to-early-20s territory (obfuscated as that may be in modern times), but can be slightly less (or more) depending on how complicated the thing is and how complex the participant is.

Writing teenagers in particular still lets you get away with immaturity if/as the situation calls for it, so you still have reasonable latitude for character growth while not being constrained by the general lack of drive that typifies people as they get older and more established.

Of course, most of the "they're all over 18" comments for MLP has "so it's OK to look up porn of them" tacitly attached to it. Places that are less neurotic about that have more accurate estimates.

6 ARC

I mean, if you're not going to be at all serious about the comparison I'm not sure why I should continue. While I agree that yes, the US would get some mileage out of switching to an intermediate cartridge that's actually well-designed (and 5.56 is really not), we're also not discussing intermediate cartridges.


so the high pressures aren't getting you much more for all those trade-offs

The high pressures serve one purpose: to get better performance from a shorter barrel.

.308 simply cannot sling 140 grains as fast as 6.8x51 can when both are being fired from 13" barrels. .308 can do that if it has a much longer barrel, sure, but we don't want a long barrel, we want a short barrel (so that we retain the same overall length of the system if we stick a suppressor onto it). In theory, this is an excellent idea; in practice, the rifle is a boat anchor that says SIG on the side.

As far as noise goes... yeah, cutting a .308 gun down to 13" is going to be blasty as fuck too. For recoil, full-power rifle gonna full-power rifle; not sure what they're expecting there (especially if you're running the hottest ammunition where the recoil actually does exceeds what .308 does- I wouldn't want something in .270 Win or .300 Win Mag as my service rifle either, lol).

Any tiny improvements in ballistics are swallowed by the increase in weight.

The MCX (and not the 6.8x51 one, which one would expect to be slightly beefed up; added system weight is what, half a pound?) is already a heavy rifle to begin with and the ballistic improvements are in fact quite significant... or at least, they are when considering the companion machine gun that is arguably far more important than the rifle ever will be.

The other big thing with the round is that it lets you have a rifle that, with the suppressor, is only as long as the M16 is without sacrificing performance. Without the suppressor, it's as short as the M4. That's not something any other round really lets you get away with, since if you do that with .308 you just get really loud 7.62x39.

Actually, all the military AR-10s (and the Bren 2) are about this same weight- 9 1/4 pounds. Of course, those aren't being issued with the assumption you'll be using a suppressor (though indeed, some are) and every single one of them appears intended for a specialty role, not door-kicking.

It's not like you can't make a very lightweight full-power rifle; FN managed to do it in a mass-issue rifle (the SCAR-H is under 8 pounds, even), and a few other AR-10s that are even lighter exist (though perhaps not something you want in military service).

No, I think SIG just sucks when they're not making clean-sheet designs, and the MCX is held back by virtue of having to fit the AR-15/AR-10 footprint rather than just being its own thing. I get that the Army is conservative about drifting away from the AR-15 footprint for training reasons, which is why the MCX has two charging handles, but in this case perhaps they shouldn't be.

I'd be as shocked if not more so getting the weight of an M240 replacements to less than fifteen pounds.

The M250 is the replacement for the M240, and it does weigh just under 15 pounds, with the suppressor. Which is kind of downright miraculous when you think about it, considering the weight of the companion rifle. That's far lighter than any other MMG system on the market, competitive or beating nearly every LMG (assuming the M250's suppressor is detached), lighter than even the M60E6 is, and is only a couple pounds heavier than the full-size Knights Armament LAMG is.

The M7 makes more sense in a context where it's merely the companion "because we had to" to the M250- and the M7 is so incredibly heavy that there's only a couple of pounds between it and the machine gun. It's the same calculus the Stoner 63 suffered from: if the machine gun and the rifle are basically the same weight, why would you ever take the rifle?

It's also worth noting that there haven't really been any reported issues with the M250, but then again, the M250 also seems to be a clean-sheet design where the M7 is wearing literal pounds of legacy baggage. There's zero reason that gun needs to match an AR-10's footprint outside of "muh training"- it makes it more expensive to manufacture, and it turns it into a worse rifle (the forend on the M7 is absolute garbage) than it should by all rights be.

and then spent the night being fairly dumb and unable to follow conversations

I've never experienced the paranoia but 'being unable to follow simple instructions or participate in conversations that required concerted thought' was interesting to me. I spent the next few days somewhat disoriented and clumsy, but at the same time less worried about things that would normally bother me.

It did feel pleasant (I hurt myself and didn't really feel it, so the anti-pain effect works in a way it doesn't entirely for alcohol) though it also took a few days to get back to normal. I'm sure if I took the time to acclimatize I could handle it but unless I have a week free it's not something I'm going to really be able to play with (and even then, I still have places to go, and driving becomes actively difficult under these circumstances).

With alcohol, the physical effects are more pronounced (and are more generally entertaining, though I get this depends on the crowd) and more importantly, they very clearly expire. Weed does not; though I have the freedom to do it, I cannot take advantage of it.

I'm sympathetic to an American army that spent 20 years fighting in the high desert without an appropriate long-range rifle, and want something to fight at very close range in mud huts before coming out of that village and getting lit up by PKMs from the hillside.

Maybe fighting in a milieu where precision marksmanship could (and usually did, if someone had an ACOG) make a difference allowed that stupid "one shot one kill" meme to re-establish its historic hold over American military doctrine? In all honestly putting an LVPO on the M4s would probably make more difference, which is probably why second-rate Western militaries are doing exactly that. They don't have (or given that this is Western militaries we're talking about, are unwilling to grant) money to spend on a new platform that would be optimal, and that this is the next best thing is, I feel, telling.

it'd kick like a .300 win mag.

6.8x51 is functionally identical to 7x57 Mauser, it just only needs 13" of barrel instead of 26" to match it. (Out of longer barrels, it performs like a magnum version of 7x57; Europeans have 7x64, Americans have .270 Winchester[1]).

Really, though, why the fuck is it so heavy? I get that SIG is fucking incompetent because lol P320 (also bendy handguard), but even the early AR-10s don't weigh that much and 80,000 PSI doesn't require that much more barrel. Maybe they're doing the M16A4 thing where they think they need bull barrels because "muh sustained fire and Camp Perry scores" even though that has shit fuck all to do with actual combat? Even the Soviets' Dragunov was lighter than this thing.

I think the obsession with "being an AR-15" holds the MCX (and by extension the Spear) back. AR-15s (and AR-10s) are excellent rifles, and I get that they're kind of outdated now from a manufacturing standpoint because you can't just take your upper receiver straight from the aluminum extruder (SCAR, Bren, QBZ-191?) or plastic mould (ARX-160, G36, Tavor), but if that was the goal then why the fuck are they doing a shitty retrofit? Though, of course, that's SIG's MO (as 'shitty retrofit' is what the P320 is)- don't need to pay for tooling and testing when you can just reuse what you have. Kind of speaks to the politics of the entire Western world in general that they'd select a solution like that.

And I'm not going to pretend that rifle ammunition hasn't been in need of a revolution, and has been overdue for one ever since Dardick invented the Tround. Packing more power into a smaller package is a legitimately useful thing and it's nice that we're doing it now, but I don't think the full-power rifle is where that innovation actually belongs. A hybrid-case 5.7x30mm cartridge that performs like 5.56 with magazines half the size would be transformative: a P90 that performs like an M4, with 60 rounds in the gun? Who wouldn't want that?

[1] Yes, I know that 7x64 isn't just a magnum version of 7x57 and .270, while it ultimately descends from 8 Mauser like 7 Mauser does, uses a slightly different projectile diameter. The comparison still holds.

The last generally issued service weapon to weigh more than the bare NGSW was the french muskets they sent us in the Revolutionary war

Unless you count the StG-44 as 'generally issued' (by either Germany or Yugoslavia, take your pick), which despite its looks weighs just over 10 pounds (unloaded).

These points are where most progressive art falters. It slavishly follows a set of predefined norms, instead of the artist’s opinions; it drowns itself in politics and analogy; its characters exist purely to push one or another point, which must be driven home explicitly, and wind up flat because of it.

This is where my language differs; this is 'art that happens to show a progressive worldview' and not 'progressive art', which I believe is by definition driven by hatred for all non-progressive worldviews. Same thing with Christian art, for that matter, for exactly the same reasons- if you ever wondered what the difference between a Chick tract and Lord of the Rings is, it's this.

Maybe you could call it a Traditionalist game because a certain negative aspect of Ralsei 'being a girly/GNC boy' is not only revealed, but actively punished? I dunno.

Anyway, I posit that a work in which 'mistake theory predominates' can't really be specifically labelled to ideology-specific. "Correct" is not a political identity- though I get that they all pretend to have a monopoly on it.

Oh yeah, and depending on your choices you can to a degree, rape one of the implied-to-be-teenage female characters

which is rank blasphemy against all of the Progressive gods (and is to my knowledge the only major post-release artwork change), and you're actually encouraged by the game to do this.

This is something that should have generated absurd amounts of butthurt and problematization, but it has not; I suspect the offended are mostly told "fuck off, it's a good game" (partially because of Undertale and how well its narrative also happens to include 'yes, you can kill basically everyone' while not being absurd grimdark), and because everyone is more interested with where the so-far-incomplete story is going to go.


Most of the points you've made can be beat-for-beat substituted for Omori, as well, and it's actually kind of interesting to see the parallels between them (to the point that Toby Fox did to a point co-ordinate with Omocat to make sure they weren't making the exact same game).

Heck, both of those games have the 'seemingly-indifferent protagonist', 'girly boy who loves you', and 'tomboy bully/bruiser who the protagonist probably prefers romantically' archetypes; and the relationship the game revolves around is same-sex[1]. Omocat is, at least publicly, a bit more progressive (though perhaps that comes with the territory; Toby Fox is an Easterner and makes his money on the game itself, whereas Omocat is from California and the game was an incidental and more funded by merchandise). Also, Omocat is a woman and Toby Fox is a man.

And yeah, I think a lot of that comes through in the writing and gameplay; Omori's RPG system has emotion control as its primary mechanic where Deltarune's mechanics are kind of all over the place (and are more often played with), and Omori's more interested in being a good story where Deltarune focuses far more on its self-awareness as a game. Not that Omori doesn't do that at times (specifically at the end), but 'changing the mechanics in a place you don't expect it to be done' is something traditional media doesn't get has an emotional impact.

[1] This is a lot more in your face in Deltarune where it's more subtle in Omori. Something something 4 Loves, and Omocat's writing is a lot more intentionally shipping-bait-y than anything in Deltarune, but Omori's plot revolves around loving Sunny loving Basil far more than any other character in the game. That may fit into one's description of 'romantic', or it may not; I don't think it matters.

This has led to what is today a democratic system where the president and ministers are superficially interchangeable but decide nothing because they're all controlled by intel services from behind the scenes with pedophile porn blackmail on every statesman.

Well, Trump actually has pedophile porn blackmail on himself, and everyone knows it, but he seems to be getting along pretty well. I think the truth is a bit more mundane than that- there's simply no pressure to do anything effective outside of the inertia of conservatism bureaucracy, so it just drifts that way. Even though those in the bureaucracy might be empowered to make decisions, the question of what decisions to make becomes difficult, so "advance the kingdom of Jesus [or his modern equivalent, LGBTesus]" becomes the default.

The trick about the American state is that they legitimately are both competent and significant enough on the world stage for that competence to be meaningful, unlike every other state except for maybe Russia, China, and I guess France.

mercilessly culls its elite preventing corruption and is thus impervious to being infected itself

The US doesn't need a service to do this, mostly for HBD reasons. The thing the US population (this is an English heritage thing) is easily corrupted by are the promise of 51% attacks, where half the society + 1 person forces their own corruption on the other half minus one. It's "democracy", you see- and the demos is just as corruptible as the kings and nobles of old (which is why people who know they're doing wrong hide behind "but The People make the rules"). BLM is a particularly salient example of this. So is Brexit, for that matter.


As for 'schizo nonsense', this is the Russian political MO and has been since at least Tsar Alexander, if those Historia Civilis videos are at all accurate. He doesn't actually understand this (due to having a particular/modern political bias), but openly absurd and inconsistent bluster and back-channeling and threats of force and just bog standard J. Jonah Jameson-ing is just kind of how these guys work. It's an unstable stability, if that makes any sense.

The obfuscation the Russians employ is that you can't even figure out what their kind of dishonesty actually is. If you can predict the manner of a man's dishonesty (or more properly, his interests), you can plan for and bargain with and manage him. It makes sense, then, that confusing how others would predict the manner in which you will be dishonest today could be a valid negotiating strategy.

It makes sense that Trump, being accustomed to that style of negotiation, would find it easier to work with a person whose entire concept of statecraft is (by some geographical-social necessity) basically just that, in contrast to his own empire's provinces who negotiate in that stereotypically feminine way where everyone pretends they don't have authority over anything (to say nothing of the Chinese, who have 2000 more years of experience in that negotiation strategy).

Romanes Eunt Domus.

However, that look and posture (and the actions that brought them to this) demonstrates these people have integrated perfectly into British society, because that's exactly how the natives act too.

The way you discipline other people's children in Britain now is by filming them carrying axes and swords, and the State carries out the punishment by proxy.

It's been hinted at in other places in the thread- the state of mind of the filmer was relevant. Was he primarily concerned with public safety, or was he getting that rush of power, that delightful (and stereotypically British) moral treat, that getting to call the cops on someone else is?

Of course, if its an actual organized gang, the knife and axe won't ultimately protect her either.

Indeed, the gang putting its explicit stamp of approval on the migrant rape gangs- that being the British government- has tanks and fighter jets.

What will an axe or sword do against them?

The British public has demanded and actively enforced that resigned acceptance through its laws and edicts.

It doesn't get to be upset when it gets what it asked for. The filming of this (and the actions of the filmer) are an expression of pure moralfaggotry and "getting chased off with an axe" is a healthy reaction to people like that.

and the carrying of weapons served as a denotation of class

Which creates a different angle, where banning the carry of weapons is meant specifically to stratify a society by class. The [modern right] is more egalitarian than the [modern left], so it's natural they'd push in an egalitarian direction.

This kind of ties back to militia stuff too; the class of person expected to defend the society from outside threats when called up with his personal weapon is naturally worthy to bear that arm at any other time. To do otherwise is stealing, in a way.

I don't think that they were even (mostly) pedophiles, they came across more as busybodies and paranoiacs, with their attention more directed at boys who could plausibly be mistaken for a threat than at girls

So they were [would-be] molesters. That look is how you know they're getting off on it. (Women do this too, that's what the 'but kids need to know about gay sex' thing is.)

but it's the exact opposite of traditional conservative ideas

Which traditional conservative ideas would those be? "Ensure the means to produce an absurdly vital strategic resource with a lead-up time measured in decades remains possible in $country" is something even minarchists believe the role of government should cover.

It's literally the best case scenario; the US only has one manufacturer of space-magic technology that isn't within trivial striking distance of its enemies. Samsung is, TSMC is, even Intel's own fabs are (the ones it built in Israel).

Eventually, the kind of older women who would have reported young people who received visits from opposed-gender people to their landlords in the 1950s will be the main enforcers of SJ norms

This has already happened; traditional Christianity (or at least, people who claimed to be them) was this for that age group up until the mid-00s until it was clear to the average participant it was naturally dying out as a morally-respected force.

Epstein was not an ethnic group

Sure he was; the political football being played with him currently is partially about to what degree that should matter.

Because both men and women alike are completely obsessed with teenaged girls; men because biological imperative (literally what the male sexual attraction model selects for), women because... also biological imperative (sexual competition and insecurity about the former).

This is why women are, in aggregate, far more accepting of teenaged girls being gang groomed or assaulted by immigrants than [native] men are- that's just what you do to sexual competition.

Why was faith in our institutions so high 50 years ago?

Because most of the senior people in US institutions at that time were rags-to-riches war heroes. There would have been people there that were literally born in a hole in the ground, and every single one of them would have experienced the Great Depression.

That sort of thing tends to bring... certain perspectives that most today lack: that without restraint, and conservation of the same political mechanisms that took them from rags to riches, it could all be destroyed if mismanaged. For instance, the hysteria over the uncommon cold would never have occurred with them in charge, because this actually did occur, twice, with flu viruses that were deadlier per capita than said cold.

The generation in charge now, in aggregate born in 1970, is past the cutoff point to have any memories of that; it's taken for granted. The opposition to their institutional prerogatives now is people directly made poorer due to their mismanagement, which is something the US has literally never had to deal with before.

Has Trump ever told his supporters to be nicer to Biden?

Well, there was that time after Jan 6, 2021 where he could have issued a blanket pardon to the meanest supporters he had [from the Blue viewpoint]. But he didn't do that, and once he left office it was open season with a de facto pardon issued to the meanest supporters Blue tribe had [from the Red viewpoint].

Doesn't matter, the response is only either gloating or increased pessimism.

I legitimately think that when reformers are empowered, and reform happens, that things improve. I think the efforts of Red tribe to end what is functionally slavery in Blue states should improve things for the native population, I think constraining the powers of the education-managerial complex [and forcing it to follow its own laws] is long overdue, I hope that reform continues (and believe that what has occurred over the last 6 months has been impressive) and hope the rest of the Western world starts following that example, though I acknowledge it will take them longer to do that due to never really having been Great in the first place that war-winning culture the US did all those years ago.

MAGA inherited the power and organizations that old-school conservatives have left. They're aging out of the game of life, and their kids hate them and want to destroy their legacy, so they have decided to vote for their grandchildren's interests instead.

The goal of any rational traditionalist at this point should be to throw their support behind the political bloc that sees them more as a quaint curiosity (perhaps with a younger man writing an elegy for them) rather than an enemy to be destroyed. The new Red party is not going to advance Christian interests, but a draw in this matter is as good as a win given the alternative.

I think the right is becoming the party of nothing but political grievances and emotional overreactions in much the same way.

Yes, but your definition of 'right' is outdated compared to the actual definition of 'right'. I assert that, after 2016 and especially after 2020, the Blues repositioned themselves firmly on the Right and the Reds (the people who will be paying for that gross conservative decadence that was the uncommon cold for the rest of their lives) have inherited the Left.

This is why I believe that [by that definition] the Right's current strategy of "mimic Trump on Twitter" is going to fail. It isn't the left that can't meme: the left is where memes come from, 4chan was just confused as to who left and right actually were at that time, as were [and are] we all.

A lot of wokeness is nothing more than people being sanctimonious on the internet

Well, that and the human trafficking (sorry, "illegal immigration"), and the "ban all business for 2 years" thing, and Burn Loot Murder, and encouraging your children to castrate themselves (and arresting those who voice opposition thereto), and...

I could go on. Those have real sociofinancial costs, and the Left would like the Right to pay for them.

But unless you want government czars deciding how individuals relate to each other, what are you going to do about it?

We already have that: it's called the Civil Rights Act. It was a weapon used by one side for the last 60 years, and it's understandable that that faction using it in that way is apoplectic about it being used for its stated purpose (not the one they used it for).