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Derive the current state of affairs from a frictionless spherical state of nature

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ThisIsSin

Derive the current state of affairs from a frictionless spherical state of nature

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I do like the notion of men aged 50+ trading in their infertile wives once they've fathered twenty kids on her during her fertile years so they can do it all over again with a fertile young bride.

You misunderstand: this is the notion of men aged 50+, who never got married, now never having any reason to. And the matching women, 50+, trying to punish them for never having married them.

I believe those femcels will demand state-mandated husbands. It might not take that form specifically, since men and women are different, but I suspect something along those lines will occur. Technically, it already is through progressive taxation.

But it was rejected for "punching down" at single mothers.

No, it was rejected because the notion that "if you become a single mother, it might not totally be the man's fault" is offensive to gynosupremacist thought, and single mothers were just the political excuse to invoke that.

Nobody actually cares about the welfare of single mothers, or of children more generally, beyond their usefulness as an excuse to do this. Helping these groups is generally the domain of the religious.

I don't know what we can impose on nonbelievers (short of a death sentence) that will keep them in line, even against their baser instincts.

It seems to me that there are two nodes for human sexuality.

Going full chimpanzee "Death do us part except for cheating [oppresses and protects men and women equally], all sex is rape, woman must marry rapist, woman must be virgin if still living at home [protects father's property rights]" is stable. (Yes, the enforcement for deviation from this procedure was death, but enforcement for everything in the ancient world was death. Personnel were cheap back then.)

(The all sex is rape + woman must marry rapist requires a bunch of unpacking: technically speaking, it doesn't prohibit casual sex, but gives the woman the means to invoke a shotgun wedding if she becomes pregnant. It also draws a stated distinction where a woman was assumed, and not assumed, to have cried rape by default- which protects the man.)

Going full bonobo "No STDs or pregnancy and everyone fucks like rabbits, marriage is for life (even including adultery) and carries sexual/financial obligations for both parties, single motherhood very institutionally difficult" is also stable.

You can't really construct a piecemeal version of this and expect it to work

Law must protect and bind men and women equally. Right now, it only binds men; 100 years ago, it only bound women. (To a point, modern problems are caused by women taking revenge for this bondage against their sons.)

True; Adolescence is basically the distaff equivalent of whatever that salacious Victorian-era book about young teenage prostitutes was (and all the wokeshit is, to lesser degrees).

It's a clear sign there's something real nasty going on, but the relevant actors are too weak to deal with that (to the point that they're too busy getting off on the oppression, in that same awkward/harmful way women do when they stay with a man that abuses them in the ways typical of men).

Male only small groups.

Illegal, thanks to women.

Remember, men are in societal surplus right now; and thus they are too weak as a class to check the inherent sociobiological/instinctual interest of women to destroy all other avenues that aren't "competing for woman's affection".
(Which, I will point out, is a common complaint from men about women who demand access to those spaces).

We don't want the same group of people berating them thusly

Indeed- now it's the women doing the

"Settle down! Have kids! Sacrifice your freedom for family and the state! If your partner fucks off for some old dick and takes those kids and most of your resources, don't get in your feels about it!"

dance, and it's just as bad as it was when the men were doing it.

In a healthy system, men and women check each other (according to their biological/instinctual strengths and weaknesses), but we broke that system in the 1900s with the first wave of mass automation (replacing mostly men, which removed their ability to check the way women conduct abuse due to being in surplus) and then entered an economic boom that temporarily restored that balance (and the people in power now grew up under these conditions). If the second wave of mass automation, which may or may not be bearing down on us right now, replaces mostly women, society will rebalance somewhat; if it does not, and it replaces mostly men, this will get worse.

Female sexual attractiveness inevitably and steeply declines relatively early in life.

It's not just that: female sexual usefulness ends at 50ish in a way it doesn't for men. After menopause, is there really any reason ever not to just be FWB, retirement home style? Men can invest and save for this so they can afford someone who can still build a family but no amount of financial prudence will save that for women.

And sure, you could compensate with basic things like "not being openly hostile", but feminists are [by definition] at a disadvantage there, so...

What remains to be seen is how the spinsters are going to take it out on everyone else, because they will have some political capital to getting revenge on the men they feel they are entitled to, and will likely act accordingly. But there will be no State-mandated husbands (besides perhaps Big Brother, imposed with "protecting women" as the main justification- a concept that's 20 years out of date, but history shows this demographic does not care about that); it'll take on the character of a society-wide divorce.

Society has become aware that these types of relationships have a much greater opportunity for abuse

No, this is 100% just the "I consent/isn't there someone you forgot to ask?" meme.


seem to be an exception to what could be called the "love is love" principle.

No, the general principle is "love is love so long as it benefits women-as-class", and has been that way since 1900 or so. This is why it's OK for young boys to be sex objects for gay men, but never young girls.

But 'pick a program to run' is not one of the problems which has an intrinsic 2d representation.

I respectfully disagree; 2D ancillary menus have several significant benefits over a bare terminal, but they still need a 1D terminal in that menu. And I get that there was a significant time period, specifically between 1986 through 2006, where this wasn't the case.

The superior way to start an application is to type the name of the binary

But when I have two programs that start with the same name, like say Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code, I'd have to type out the entire name to access the second application. (I'd also have to know the name of the binary, that doesn't necessarily match the name on the box, and sometimes it isn't even a binary, but a part of one [so now you have to memorize the launch argument, and tab-autocomplete generally won't help you with that].) With a proper menu representation (and I admit the Windows 10 and 11 are very much not this; StartAllBack is mandatory on Windows machines), the sequence is 'vis' (or similar) + [down arrow] + Enter, speed the terminal cannot hope to match (unless you decide to manually configure an alias for it- but a general purpose solution for this is a lot more convenient, because it works everywhere, which is the same argument vi users make about learning it).

Selecting text and objects is something else that has an intrinsic 2D representation for reasons that become obvious if you don't know how long the line is (which you kind of have to for terminal-based selection), or if you need to see the document you're copying from as well as the document you're pasting to.


Menus are tolerable if there are a few options to pick, like at the ATM

Menus are preferable here because, on an ATM, they're literally just keyboard buttons that map directly to the action. If you want to withdraw 200 dollars, you don't have to translate '1. View Balance. 2. Deposit. 3. Withdraw.' -> 'Enter amount to withdraw' into keyboard commands, you press the [equivalent of the] 'Withdraw' keyboard key, and then the '200 dollars' key. There's no potential of anyone misreading or mistranslating the input, since the menu changes based exactly on what's relevant at the time; it's drastically more intuitive.

Yes, keyboard searching might make that more tolerable, but can only hope to approach the comfort of the command line interface.

Computer interfaces have legitimately advanced since 1970 and that's OK. They took a huge leap forward back when the OS wars weren't yet won, then slowed down, then came back for a time when OS X became relevant again, then desktop UX took a backseat to mobile UX. (Which made a great leap forward in 2007, then another just as large one in 2009 with webOS, and then regressed to where we are today.)

In my opinion the world is overdue for a new desktop UX paradigm, since unlike the 2010s it's now crystal clear that desktop PCs (including laptops) will never go away, and it's time we go after the things we missed the last time, like how to display text in readable locations and not to truncate the important parts (which is also something the terminals still have problems with in applications that show data in tabs). Maybe once someone figures out how to get an LLM to spit out all the hooks and hacks you need to reliably replace explorer.exe (not that the Windows source code isn't in LLM training sets already, of course), we'll finally get someone applying the UX research the rest of the way.


But at the end of the day, most vehicles are not picked for their infotainment system

Yeah, they're clearly picked in spite of it.

Unless you're Tesla or (to a point) Rivian, but those are software companies that just happen to make cars. Every "X drives" video I watch on YouTube has the infotainment clearly lagging by a half second or more, and with the absurd power of even 15 year old computers this is just not a thing that should happen. Car UX was legitimately better when the engineers (or rather, the execs directing the engineers) were forced into the simplest embedded development; as soon as they got access to something more advanced than embedded C it all went to shit.

And at this point I think good car UX is dead and buried because consumers aren't even in any position to care. Hey, at least the auto lanekeep will stop you from leaving the lane after you get flashbanged by drivers who are too brain-dead to turn their fucking brights off (or you're too busy fucking with the infotainment's lack of switches to be able to stay in your lane).