ThisIsSin
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precisely because it seemed like an unprecedented escalation from what had come before
Morals go bankrupt gradually, then suddenly. The liberal[itarian] order was hollowing out in the late 2000s simply due to Boomers- one of the most liberal generations ever produced- retiring.
Remember, the youngest Boomer will turn 66 this year. Generally speaking, these guys retired at 55-65, so a lot of them would have been leaving the workforce in 2005-2015, most of them I suspect leaving in the 2008-2011 recession (there was a second wave of permanent retirements in 2020-2022 for the tail end of the Boomer cohort for similar reasons).
Gen X, by contrast, has hit its prime moralfag years- that's 40-50, if you're keeping score. Now, Boomers were huge moralfags, too- that's what the Religious Right was (and to a point, still is) and why it hated violent video games in particular, but you don't hear from that segment of society too much these days. It's still overly concerned about racism and sexism- but of course it would be, that was kind of their huge generational change.
But if you're wondering "wait, why did the old liberal order suddenly collapse, and why is it moralfaggy in that direction?", it was mostly just demographic replacement and listening to Boomers complain too much.
The answer to this is simply not to dignify it with a reply [because it would be beneath yours to do so]. This is why apologies don't work either.
Dark Salvation
Yeah, they're starting to blur together for me, too.
How do you make a sequel that manages to keep things reasonably optimistic without basically undoing everything that has happened?
By not shooting the main character in the first three minutes of the story? Low bar to clear, but Dark Fate doesn't even manage that!
but replaced Linda Hamilton with a silly little girlboss
The series stopped being about Sarah-John (interestingly, you don't hear much about the other series that still should feature this, and I'm not actually sure why that is). That's part of why T3 was meh- sure, it's spectacular, but not as interesting with Just John.
T2 is timeless because it has to do with motherhood just as much as it does fatherhood. Dark Fate, and Genisys (to a point), intentionally spits in the face of both.
'80s horror series (including, interestingly, the ones that rip off that style like Stranger Things) also all suffer from this.
Ironically, the series that avoids this is, of all things, FNAF, to the point it blew up into an entire ecosystem. But FNAF is a game- a simple one, at that- that relies on abusing a fundamental quirk of human biology [re: a thing that screams at you and gets all up in your face when you lose] as the main tension driver (and everything else is pseudo-ARG for people who actually want to engage with it).
Episodics tend to avoid this, but they have different problems, which leads to the Half-Life 2/3 problem.
Standards inherently create good times.
Good times inherently destroy standards.
No standards inherently destroy good times.
Bad times inherently create standards.
We know because their religion still promises you 72 virgins. One captured by Western feminism would not.
They have DEI programs and pride socks and what have you because +-70% of anyone who is worth anything as an employee has libertarian views on social issues; as someone in such a field one autistic trans hypergenius who can't make a phone call but can recite every instruction ever processed by a RISC chip is worth any amount of chud bonafides, and most of the human capital pilled conservatives either grit their teeth or don't actually give enough of a shit to not work at eg lockheed. The people that have explicitly anti-libertarian views and mean it are disproportionately dysgenic low IQ types who are worth pissing off to secure talent.
Or "God bless America" for short.
You are talking about feminism as if it is a monolith. This is simply not an accurate view of reality.
Men and women are different.
Different people have different interests [and different motivating factors], and vice versa.
Thus, the null hypothesis is that people who share the same biological conditions are going to act the same way. (Feminists already make this assumption when it comes to men having different interests, and they are correct.)
The extent to which this is true, whose interests happen to dominate, and if those interests should be dominant vary due to local conditions. There are some cultures where men and women have learned to get along, there are some that define themselves by actively refusing to, and there are some where the overriding concerns are more pedestrian, like "where's my next meal coming from?". Women in the 1st tend not to be feminist because they've figured out gynosupremacy is legitimately destructive, and women in the 3rd tend not to be feminist because failing to deal means you starve.
"Producer could tell the customer how their product can be used" is also, historically (and currently), the main reason why there are no smart guns.
Their capacity for violence is so low as to be a non-issue
Judging by the BLM riots their capacity for violence by proxy is very high indeed.
No one is trying to arrest the women's olympic team for the crime of sporting while female.
Sure, but they will get arrested for excluding men who claim to be women, or at least punched really hard by an example of the same.
90% consumer, 9% generator, 1% leadership seems to be the pattern for communities in general.
That's a load-bearing "maybe" you have there
Maybe.
and a lot of outright discrimination against men
Then maybe just, like, don't do that? We can talk about whether the structures allowing/encouraging female participation enable corruption inherently- and indeed, some of them clearly have (academia in particular); but if your answer is "they all do and this is an intractable problem so huge it should never be done", then the natural next question is "then why should men be exempt from this in the organizations that solely permit them/to what degree should they be exempt/what happens when they exceed that exemption"[0]?
That isn't to say that it isn't time to move on from the current system- indeed, it can no longer serve its primary function, and its time has come.
with nothing much to show for it.
Do you even know what the ultimate objective of these representation programs even were? It wasn't "give privileges to the unworthy and reintroduce 19th-century sexism from the other direction", it's specifically "make sure the worthy do not give up". The tenor of society at the time this issue started to be raised was that this was a somewhat-undue burden on worthy women, so that's how the chips fell.
The liberal experiment has... I hesitate to say "failed", but more that it has run its course and now needs reform, because it in large part stopped being about this and started about being a sociofinancial hand-out to the corrupt and worthless. You can see this in the way progressives argue for men in women's sports- the entire point was to encourage worthy women, not to let [the Establishment] make it all about their political power instead.[1]
The problem with the "experiment" is both that it didn't count on corruption (and you can expect liberals to ignore that angle), and related to that, that it is ultimately incapable of yielding tangible/measurable results. We know that we can't turn a woman into a man[2], but both understand dignity in more or less the same ways, and that's what we're buying for the extra cash. In the end, it doesn't actually matter what the record is (re: Goodhart); but we can encourage the process.
Again, the objective wasn't really even to increase female representation: the problem was to ensure that women who should be participating are not discouraged by the lack of prior participation (or the logic believing in [0] demands). And it did succeed in this, perhaps a bit too well.
[0] Of course, in traditionalism the answer to that question is an axiomatic "because men are better", but this comes with certain other problems that traditionalists have had the last 100 years to answer for. It appears they may have dropped the ball somewhat.
[1] Though I will note that this was all about the liberal Establishment's political power when they set this up; encouraging worthy women was a demonstration and advancement of their political power. This is why progressives call themselves liberals.
[2] And the fact that people are actually trying to do this is perhaps the biggest indicator that the devotion to the measure ate the expected outcome. (That's not all it indicates, but it has something to do with it.)
Is it really necessary to pretend otherwise?
Yes, actually; if they get taken seriously maybe more [women] will show up to compete, which has downstream positive social effects in the long term. More value for people who Do The Thing means the population at large is more interested in Doing The Thing and sends a message we value Those Who Show Up. To the extent you want women to Show Up, this is important.
That said, if [women as class = feminists] take it for granted and start attacking men because of it- that they're not being honored above and beyond because they didn't realize- or that their mothers (including public surrogates like teachers) failed to impress upon them- that the entire reason they have this league is already the 'above and beyond'?
Then it's OK for men not want to continue that pretense, to not be interested in making the space for them, and more accepting of reminding them more frequently that the deal/concession didn't need to exist.
Which is a shame, because again, to even be a female athlete in these competitions means you have certain qualities that it would honestly be a waste not to hold up as an example, so as always it's the worthy who suffer here.
but I thought the Millennials had already figured it their job market was a different world than that of the boomers.
No, millennials were still at the age where they took Boomer advice semi-seriously. Gen Z is, correctly, more hostile to that advice.
Yes. The women in that society have (for reasons that I think have a lot to do with not having a frontier to loot or expand into) evolved to defend/accept men's sexual interests just as much as men have evolved to defend/accept women's sexual interests. This is why you get things that look weird from broader Western perspectives, like female Japanese politicians defending loli hentai (and all of the other kinda-weird-kinda-sexual stuff they have going on more generally).
A Western woman would bitterly complain about "internalized misogyny" and be baffled by why an Eastern woman wouldn't be trying to Take Back What's Hers, but sufficiently advanced temperance/co-operation isn't meaningfully distinguishable from self-hatred (compare "voting against one's interests", or the justifications for free speech in general). And Western society doesn't really have good mechanisms for hammering out what that co-operation should be, or discovering why that temperance needs to exist, because up until 100 years ago the frontier could be depended upon to provide an alternate answer.
that men who never got married are not an unselected group- they’re very disproportionately men nobody wants
In modern times, symmetrically, so are unmarried women.
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I mean, Hamilton did help terminate the last series she showed up in...
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