ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
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ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
1d ago
Sure, but they’re delusional.
Tell that to the voters. There's nothing in a political system that magically protects it from supremacy movements and hysterics- white supremacy in the 1920s, black supremacy in the 2020s, androsupremacy in the 1800s, gynosupremacy in the 1900s, etc.
Yes, we have examples in living memory when the political system did in fact protect them against those things (because the ruling class was sufficiently virtuous), but they're dead now.
there is no analog to blood-and-soil MAGA voters in Canada
Sure there is- those are, counterintuitively, Liberal party voters. That is who all the jingoism was coming from.
If you're of an age sufficiently advanced that you remember that your parents actually took Canada seriously (i.e. you're 60+), you think that insults to Canadian 'sovereignty' are a big enough deal that you're going to latch onto whoever you perceive promises to do the most about it.
(Everyone else understands that this is a post-national country, so they don't care so much... if they can even afford to care in the first place.)
And that's not going to be some foreigner from Alberta (and, to the peoples of ON/QC/Atlantic, this is what he is) no matter what he otherwise says or does- because "he isn't aggressive enough against Trump" wasn't a legitimate criticism of him in the West (where he gained seats, unusually, in urban areas). I believed that not taking a suitably aggressive stance was still a mistake in the beginning, but now I'm starting to think that if he had the Liberals would have secured a majority simply because they are more likely to believe that Trump is directionally correct even if they disagree with the incidentals (cynically, it is in their socioeconomic interest to do that because "kill all new development, degrowth now" hurts their ability to accumulate wealth in a way it doesn't for Toronto retirees, federal government employees, and provinces that are already financial have-nots).
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
1d ago
If you want a breakdown of the situation in BC you have but to look at the election map- notice how, much like some states, the small city runs more or less roughshod over the rest of the province.
It didn’t necessarily used to be that way, but it is that way now, functionally permanently; turns out city vs. everyone else is a strong local maximum for the city.
The Canadians in industrial/resource/economically productive areas voted nearly unanimously for the Cons (look at the map).
Those in areas not so blessed (Quebec, Atl. Canada, Ottawa), or those in service economy areas (Toronto, Vancouver) voted for the Libs.
The people who are actually going to be affected by a hostile stance very clearly don’t want “maximum reeeee about Trump” as Canadian foreign policy but, because they’re a numerical minority, what they want doesn’t matter. [Which is why the West is starting to think it should move on from “ballot box”.]
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
there might be a small niche for them
Of course- if the Western Leftist party returned to being the Western Leftist party there's obviously still a niche there.
The problem is that the Western Leftist party is unwilling or unable to meaningfully distinguish themselves from the Eastern Leftist party, and so trying to outcompete the Eastern Leftists on destroying Western culture in general is- in a shocking twist- not an election winner in the West.
If the West were its own country, as it should be, this would be a natural political progression. But it's not, and Westerners are (when you look at the election map) clearly more focused on having a West to begin with rather than whether left or right should rule it.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
but it Liberals did not pick up anything like all of the NDP losses
The problem is that the Conservative side does, from an economic standpoint, what the NDP is supposed to be doing far better than the NDP itself does... and from a social policy standpoint, the Liberal side does what the NDP does but better.
There's no room for them in Canadian politics now that they're as polarized as US politics are (by the same forces that resulted in that polarization).
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
you need something to occupy your excess labour force.
Note also that the education-managerial complex itself exists as a type of universal basic job to occupy that excess labor force, and it also serves to keep what would normally be the labor force warehoused and suppressed.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
but the NDP will come back
Not with Canada in its current configuration, they won't. Western Leftism (which is what the NDP is) has given way to Westernism, and until that is satisfied there's no future for anything else. The last 3 elections have shown that pretty conclusively.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
That makes this sound like the same order of improbability.
Yes, but Texas has never actually tried to do this.
Quebec has actually tried it a few times; this idea is in the Canadian political lexicon to a much greater extent than the American one for that reason.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
And they know they're fake, and they're very, very self-conscious about being fake.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
people would be happy with integrating Alberta, Sasketchewan, and the non-Vancouver parts of BC
The Canadians in those areas say the same, and (as you can see from the election map) have voted accordingly.
The thing about Manitoba is that it's always been quasi-Canadian [Canadian as defined by the East] due to being the last stop into the Prairies (also that thing in the late 1800s when the Metis fought it out with the Upper Canadians); it's also sufficiently French for official language to actually be a concern (and Winnipeg is the westernmost city for which that's true). It could go either way with them, honestly- the fact they're also a resource-poor province on average compared to the rest of the West makes for some unique politics (and is part of why, historically, MB and SK are where the NDP come from).
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
whatever about public libraries?
So long as we're willing to stock porn men like, we should be willing to stock porn women like.
If the first is not acceptable, neither is the second.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
We'd get a large influx of left-leaning population who are already culturally desensitized to the right's worst nightmares
That's why you don't annex the East first; all the problem people are out there (just like in the US, for that matter).
You want to pull the places that actually care, are actually culturally similar to the US midwest (which the productive, Western parts of Canada very much are), and those that are actually willing to negotiate. Trump could force the East to the table with the tariffs (you'll notice that all the people in the affected areas voted Conservative, and that's not an accident) but the West was already getting interested in some level of sovereignty on its own (permanent disenfranchisement in a rich province will do that).
A Western party, for the most part, cannot win in Canada; that much has been known for the last 150 years. If the West wants to preserve its culture it will need to act.
how much Trump's "51 state" shenanigans mattered?
Ever seem to notice how the old get into wars the young have to fight, and love excuses to have those wars?
This was a referendum on whether we should fight that war or not.
Naturally, the old love that idea (and in fairness, jingoism with respect to the US is a part of the [Eastern] Canadian identity), and voted accordingly. Since Canada doesn't have any checks and balances against those people running roughshod over the rest of the country, that's all that's needed to win.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, and this is one of those times. That said, I hope the East loses this trade war and gets annexed quickly, or Alberta successfully petitions the USG for statehood, so the good people out there/here (and they do exist) don't end up suffering too much under the retaliatory tariffs. The productive, industrialized areas of Ontario voted all against this war anyway (just like they have voted against this government in every post-2015 election) and the Western provinces became even more tilted towards the Cons [their regional interest party] despite Eastern Boomer bluster (even the cities, it's worth noting, with the obvious exception of Vancouver).
All that remains to be seen is what Alberta will do in response- Smith (and to a point, Moe) seem competent enough at this game to get the tariffs reduced on energy, but as far as running an entire country I don't know.
Remember that the part of Canada that defines what Canada is [the East] has effectively no land border with the US (it's 100% dependent on long bridges these days), and the part of Canada that does not define what Canada is [the West] has literally all of the land border. Additionally, remember that each province does more trade with the US than they do with each other. An EU-style state of affairs (with respect to Canada and the US) is economically the correct one, something we were closer to at one time (before 9/11), and to a point where we've been headed all this time (especially given NAFTA; the way you stop your best and brightest running away is to become a part of that country yourself) but the US needs to control our immigration policy for that to work. And I'm OK with that given how it's been abused already.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
The GVRD might as well be its own province at this point; it creates the same problems for the rest of BC that Ottawa does for all of Canada.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4d ago
Roughly, Canadian regions are divided as follows:
- Quebec (Lower Canada)
- Toronto-Montreal (Upper Canada)
- Maritimes (Atlantic Canada- they'll argue they have distinct identities, and they do, but they're too small to be relevant here)
- West (Everything Else)
Take US politics, remove all the checks and balances that prevent SF/NYC/DC from turning the US into a one-party state, and you have Canadian politics. It's a very simple country to understand.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
5d ago
Thus, returning to the original no-tech biology-based standard: 0 for men, infinite for women (except when married).
The cultures that think there should be that age of consent are the only ones that think an AoC should exist in the first place (the liberals are, famously, much less likely to think it should exist in the first place, or if it does they argue for 10-14 for “they should be allowed to have it when their bodies tell them to seek it” reasons- traditionalists confuse these guys for progressives all the time because “muh 70s” though).
They’re mostly arguing over small details, like the uniform you have to wear to fuck young boys (some people see this more traditionally- teachers, clergy (but I repeat myself), but progressives also consider men wearing dresses and certain skin colors to be one of those uniforms; and “allowed” as in they judge their mission to be so important that the correct amount of tolerable abuse by these people is not 0) and who the balance of power in a relationship must ultimately rest with (man for traditionalists, woman for progressives, a minor distinction given an equal society).
Uh, no it’s not. I’m sure it gets cited in the occasional thinkpiece, but how much does that translate into zoomers’ decisions? Have you ever seen an adult say, “sorry, I can’t, my brain isn’t developed enough”?
I have heard over-25s and under-25s alike all state this, and the problem with the over-25s who are also parents is that their kids hear that and take this seriously... and then, just as you'd expect, they proceed to shut the fuck down and never amount to anything (creating the "incompetent, risk-averse youths" problem).
And you know what? If I spent my entire fucking life having adults (and their power structures) scream the exact functional equivalent of "YOU STUPID NIGGER!"[1] at me I'd actually think the target's response of "everything out there is dangerous and Not For Children, so time to lie flat" is completely and eminently reasonable!
Besides, delaying [personality changes that are supposed to happen at] puberty has no consequences whatsoever, right? Just give them the [sociological] puberty blockers and they'll turn out well-adjusted, I'm sure.
[1] Too much melanin hormones in the brain just makes them inferior, end of story. We have a lot of scientific literature backing it up- it's not discrimination if they actually are inferior, after all.
and few people imagine sexual fantasies that are weird and ridiculous and completely unarousing
Note that the set of those people and the target audience for the book overlap nearly completely. Everyone else is either busy having sex or browsing nhentai (which is just as bad, according to traditionalists, but their understanding of human sexuality is just as malformed as it is for the self-proclaimed queers).
and if you're going to say "image of fantasy is meh, image of reality is meh", then that point is lost
Yes, but the fact that they're both drawn the same way is the main reason I criticize the book in the first place! It's the story of a woman who bought right into Orthodoxy-Approved sex, rejected it (because it was stupid), "but hey, at least it's not straight sex amirite".
If this author actually wanted to promote queer sex, which she doesn't (and 'queer' in this sense, and more generally in usage of that label post-Tumblr, is just 'women who want an excuse not to have sex with men'), I'd expect it to be pushing top of the charts on [insert your favorite drawn porn site here]. But it isn't, and that is why.
So the reason I'm against it being in libraries is that it's a bad piece of literature that fails to do what it sets out to- which is the mistake theory version of why it's bad, not conflict theory coming from [people who also don't understand sex but no longer have the institutional power to force their misunderstandings onto everyone else].
It's the woke version of a Chick tract, really. Art's just as ugly, too.
Or in other words, it’s oppression pornography (or reverse pornography in the "reverse racism" sense).
It's still devoid of any other literary value and is just a masturbatory aid for progressive women, but the difference is important (and the first step to figuring out that in an environment of equality, unusual in a state of nature, their sexual misbehavior is just as much a problem as it is when men do it).
Yes- progressivism (the current dominant ideology of women and their corporate arms- schools, etc.) is omnipresent and an extremely socially conservative force, very publicly allergic to any kind of human dignity (typically referred to as "risk").
Sure, they sometimes pretend to be on the side of "liberalism", but they cheer when kids get arrested by CPS (or are themselves doing the arresting) for not being visibly accompanied by the head of the household, something they have in common with fundamentalist Muslims. That doesn't scream "freedom-respecting and risk tolerance" to me no matter how much leather they're wearing.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
8d ago
Caveat is that the kids seem to be rejecting it now, because the kids think Dad is lame.
In an unusual win for equality, it's more that the kids think Mom is lame.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
9d ago
it considers those outside the movement to be hopelessly mired in false consciousness and thus incapable of having anything to contribute; this is exactly why it's so intransigent in the face of external opposition
Which you can see from the traditionalists in this thread, too- they're so stuck on a very particular version of sexual ethics that they believe the argument to be won is the axiomatic acceptance of those ethics.
They are unable or unwilling to understand that "but teh pedos" is not actually a slam-dunk defense- they want to discuss why progressive sexual ethics are wrong, but without the elucidation on why (and that doesn't depend on progressive language, since the first thing they'll reach for is 'consent'... itself a progressive sexual ethic, and the master's tools don't work on the master's house) they fail.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
9d ago
You're not actually refuting the central claim that there is a strong current in contemporary leftist thought (critical theory, post-modernism, queer theory) that is okay with exposing children to sexual material or activities
I don't need to, because:
the only way you get sexlessness is if you go so deep down the rabbithole where you deconstruct every the very concept of sex doesn't exist
Yes, this is what progressive actually believe (what did you think "all sex is rape" meant?). They don't want sex to exist and act accordingly; that's why all of their "pedo literature" is oppression porn and why all of their efforts to educate children about sex center around portraying sex as ugly and terrible.
That's not consistent with traditional/your understanding of how pedophilia "works", but my assertion is that that/your understanding of the situation is completely wrong, and you haven't engaged with that at all.
the concept of childhood innocence.
Again, if you actually bother to read, this is what progressives fetishize. So do the traditionalists, for that matter (almost like it's the same impulse driving both); that's why all of their purity pomp and circumstances (especially surrounding their daughters) looks and acts so incredibly pedophilic.
To an overwhelming degree, it's a possession/preservation fetish.
If you're wondering what the opposite of that is, well, I wrote about what that looks like here.
I would suggest the reason pedophilia hasn't taken off despite it's presence in leftwing thought is that it is so intrinsically and self-evidently evil and disordered that most people can't and won't accept it even when they might accept other elements of the ideology in the abstract.
Again, you're unwilling or unable to engage with the actual argument. Progressive thought fetishizes innocence, so what we would expect from that is a bunch of so-called "pedo literature" that fails to actually contain any pedophilia [in the "straight man on little girl" sense], and what you actually should be looking for is, again, the fetishization of what they consider innocence.
And because a progressive defines innocence as "everything outside men having sex with women", It is not a coincidence that they advance all sexual causes that are non-straight because, by that definition, they are more innocent and deserve the privileges (when a progressive says "drag queens are innocent fun", this is the meaning of "innocence" in that statement). And the fact that the LGBT stuff dunks on the Trads is a nice bonus, but again, not the primary objective either.
It is honestly good that Twilight fanfiction is present in public libraries precisely because, while it is porn for women, it is not necessarily politically advantageous to them [as a gender] for that to be known. Most of the dime-store romance fiction is like that, too.
The Japanese call this "shonen", I believe, but every culture has this. Lots of it is
cornyporny, unrealistic stuff- people actually getting along to accomplish a task or series of tasks, motives are simple, conflicts are {tractable, comprehensible, winnable}, and morality is black and white.And I get that when you say "porn" there's a normative component to that (because sex is, like, special or whatever), but I remain unconvinced that these things are actually, in fact, different- they both create unrealistic expectations of the same/the other gender and how to interact with the world in general, to say nothing about actually attaining those goals.
The problem is, and remains, trying to force porn meant for adults onto kids. This is why "but can you see sex in the book?" is kind of a distraction, where it's more just a coincidence that it lines up- for a somewhat-related example, you can't see anything traditionally considered explicit in Adolescence, but that doesn't not make it child porn all the same.
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