ThomasdelVasto
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Blogger, Christian convert, general strange one. https://shapesinthefog.substack.com/
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ThomasdelVasto
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1hr ago
"Yes I have depression, anxiety, PTSD, EDS, mast cell blah blah and 5 allergies as well as a non-typical gender presentation." That person is a borderline who refuses diagnosis or is not diagnosed.
Idk man, I am one of these, and I'm a man. Perhaps I'm extremely rare. But the article matches my personal experience extremely well.
Again, what is the point of labeling it "borderline?" How does that solve anything? You're still agreeing that this is a real phenomena just putting it into a different box.
ThomasdelVasto
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1hr ago
Indeed! As I told @The_Nybbler, I think pretty much everyone here is basically shaman-typed. We are heavily selected if we post on niche internet forums, you know.
ThomasdelVasto
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1hr ago
My advice, find yourself a lady who likes shamans and makes a lot of money. Assuming you're a man.
ThomasdelVasto
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16hr ago
Idk, I could see you as sort of a nihilistic shaman. I think most prolific online posters have the potential.
ThomasdelVasto
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16hr ago
Seems very likely to be bullshit, especially since the patients we see who fit into these buckets are um very un priestly.
Perhaps they would've lead happier lives as priests!
And why would Cluster-B not fall into this? Also you're saying hypermobility and chronic stomach pain are cluster B as well?
ThomasdelVasto
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20hr ago
Imagination works fundamentally unconstrained from physical reality, for a start. We can 'imagine' and see things like numbers, that have basically no real physical basis, and change the world from them. The list goes on and on.
If you're genuinely curious about this, I recommend the book The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss.
ThomasdelVasto
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22hr ago
Idk, being asked to triple my work output was kind of disastrous for me...
ThomasdelVasto
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22hr ago
LOL Ayn Rand would be hilarious. Would love to see that.
ThomasdelVasto
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22hr ago
Lacan's cult of personality is bigger than Marx's? What? How are they even in the same order of magnitude?
I feel like you are in a very small bubble if you genuinely think that! Unless maybe you're defining it in a counterintuitive way.
ThomasdelVasto
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22hr ago
Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc. Titans of business are often of this mold.
ThomasdelVasto
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22hr ago
This article by arcove is a great dive into the genetic & cultural markers of the priest caste, which sounds like what you're pointing out here.
I recently stumbled onto a website outlining something called “CAPS” (aka CYP21A2 Mutation Associated NeuroPsychiatric Spectrum), which is a medical theory proposed and advanced by a psychiatrist named Dr. Sharon Meglathery.
Briefly, we know that the RCCX genes are unique in that mutations can be inherited together and they mutate often. There is a collagen matrix/hypermobile gene (TNXB) sitting next to a stress response gene (CYP21A2), sitting next to an autoimmune/CVID/schizophrenia gene. Doctors often see combos of these illnesses in families and individuals at a rate far higher than by chance alone.
It claims that if you have one of the following conditions it is likely you and blood relatives have others:
“Giftedness” (unusual abilities in music, maths, arts or abstract thinking)
5/5 of the “Major Psychiatric diagnosis”: Autism, ADHD, Bipolar, Schizophrenia, and Depression.
Hypermobility/Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (aka double-jointedness)
Hormone disorders
Sensory processing issues
Anxiety, Cutting and Eating disorders
Autoimmune disorders, Asthma, Allergies, Mast cell activation disorder
Gender dysphoria, fluidity, Same-sex attraction
Sleep disorders, Chronic fatigue
Left Handedness
… and loads of other random stuff.
It apparently makes you “wired for danger”, and so overly stressed by the normal world that many have brain wiring identical to PTSD patients despite having lived relatively tame lives. Perhaps there's something to all of this talk about “trauma” after all. People with these qualities seem to be drawn to one another, so you might even find evidence of this lineage on both sides of your family tree.
When the stress accumulates past a certain threshold, something called 21hydroxylase overwhelm is triggered, and it brings about near-death illness, life-changing burnout, and/or psychosis.
ThomasdelVasto
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22hr ago
Hah well we do the Liturgy and such in ancient Greek so, they'd still be disappointed.
ThomasdelVasto
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22hr ago
For a purely material creature. Because perception and thinking are non-material things.
ThomasdelVasto
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1d ago
Thank you for clarifying! The Greeks at my church would be aghast at my ignorance of the language. Alas, I am part of hoi polloi after all.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
I have also seen a lot of the managers at my corporate job become AI-obsessed. If you figure out how to make it stop, let me know. It's incredibly frustrating, especially when they double and triple your output goals by claiming AI makes everyone 2 or 3x as efficient...
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
I am unconvinced of that. First, the hard problem of consciousness is much more a thing among philosophers than among the relevant domain experts (neuro-scientists).
So, do you deny that the hard problem exists and is indeed a problem? Because from a straightforward logical point of view, it's one of the most impossible gaps for materialism to cover. How do we perceive or think at all, if we're fully material?
Secondly, even if I grant you that people have souls which give them qualia, unlikely as that seems, there is no reason to suppose that they are forever beyond the reach of physics.
There is even less reason to think that "souls" or a non-material substrate is in reach of our physics. Also, even if we could find a definitive physical cause for consciousness, that still would not mean materialism is true! As David Bentley Hart says...
One of the deep prejudices that the age of mechanism instilled in our culture, and that infects our religious and materialist fundamentalisms alike, is a version of the so-called genetic fallacy: to wit, the mistake of thinking that to have described a thing’s material history or physical origins is to have explained that thing exhaustively. We tend to presume that if one can discover the temporally prior physical causes of some object—the world, an organism, a behavior, a religion, a mental event, an experience, or anything else—one has thereby eliminated all other possible causal explanations of that object. But this is a principle that is true only if materialism is true, and materialism is true only if this principle is true, and logical circles should not set the rules for our thinking.
Paging @FCfromSSC if he wants to go more deeply into the arguments against materialism. Here is an example of him arguing about free will, for instance.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
Yeah it's very true... not sure what Thiel's endgame is. He's quite obviously very Straussian so, he could just have layers of obfuscation around his "real" plan, who knows.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
I will grant you that once you have accepted that the AI safety people are just a silly doomsday cult, you can compare and contrast them with other silly doomsday cults such as early Christianity.
Ahh, so from this statement if I'm being honest, you come off as having these views and sort of faking incredulity when in reality you simply have disdain for Christianity and aren't really interesting in seriously understanding Thiel's points.
Still, I think that if the antichrist is just a metaphor, he goes into incredible detail about the specifics.
Thiel is positing potential ways in which the antichrist could manifest into our world, not giving actual specifics he's more exploring the problem. Again, I'm not a Thiel-stan I don't agree with his theology, but given the follow up to this sentence, you're very much pattern matching a snarky atheist here lol. I'm not surprised you're not engaging with his metaphor, because from my perspective you're basically reading "antichrist" and going "oh this guy is just another religious idiot, anything he says must be bunk."
For instance, Jesus does indeed go into many specifics in his parables, calling out specific groups like the Pharisees, Samaritans, etc etc. For the parable of the mustard seed, He even goes into specifics of soil quality! Metaphors often employ specifics that are relevant to the audience.
Technology stagnating will not mean the end of technological society. The fall of West Rome did not mean that people went back the the bronze age, after all. If technology stagnates to the point where kids will use the same computers as their parents used when they were kids, that is bad news for investors like Thiel, who depend on exponential growth (which in reality is often really and S-curve whose tail you have not reached).
The general argument from stagnationists is something like, technological progress and increase in wealth keep the hoi polloi happy and sedate, if they stop getting their increase in goodies and wealth they will become angry, and eventually revolt. This revolt will effectively destroy technological society and take a while to build back up, if ever.
I'm not particularly convinced by it, but there is a logic there.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
Yeah, as I said in my comment below the OP here is doing a sort of maximally uncharitable reading. From subsequent responses, he clearly has contempt for Christianity and Thiel so, not shocking.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
Which side understands the other better, do you think? I'm guessing the right understands the left better heh.
But yeah, it is a very common thing. I'm not trying to laugh at OP though, just pointing out that his tone of confused smug questioning is coming from an uninformed place.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
Yeah agreed. I think the hatred against fake email jobs is somewhat warranted for a small amount of positions, but it's nowhere near the majority.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
I personally suspect he seems himself as more of a Leto II character, from Dune.
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
This seems to be a very bad misreading of Thiel from my perspective, it seems obvious you just don't like him, or don't understand the religious themes he's pointing at, or both. I should say that I don't necessarily love Thiel, I disagree with him on many things, but I'm familiar with his overall line of argumentation.
Theil's whole shtick is that he's using the narrative and mythopoetic archetype of the antichrist as a sort of lens to understand the dangers of the modern world. I actually think he's quite right that the sort of eschatological reasoning and arguments that many technologists make around AI map quite well onto Christian apocalypse narratives, and combining these two lenses can open up a greater understanding of how these narratives of the end of the world can hijack our thinking.
The overall argument he makes is that while WW3 would indeed be horrible, the destruction may lead to a renewal down the road whereas the antichrist would lead to a permanent stagnation and total surveillance state, which could perpetuate unfathomably long amounts of time or perhaps eternally. In his view the latter is a far worse outcome, and I tend to agree.
As for the Dr. Strangelove piece, it's obvious he's just referencing Dr. Strangelove as a sort of archetype of the crazy scientist as well. This is an incredibly minor nitpick.
With regards to 'ending all technology,' Thiel has argued at length along with others that the stagnation hypothesis is real, in that technology has already been massively stagnating by a number of metrics including total factor production, and that if we stymie technology anymore it will basically end technological society as we know it. Or, at the very least stop progress.
I think overall the problem here, and with the Guardian article in general, is that you aren't very familiar with Thiel's overall thought and so do not understand the points he is making in their broader context. Perhaps part of why he tried to ban recording of his talks...
ThomasdelVasto
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2d ago
THIS IS GREAT WOAH!!!! Ty sir.
I'll defend @fmac and say myself and other friends who like Peterson also call him Lobster Daddy. It's a bit of an affectionate nickname ime.
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