ThomasdelVasto
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Blogger, Christian convert, general strange one. https://shapesinthefog.substack.com/
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ThomasdelVasto
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9d ago
Fucking love that game man is so beautiful. The music is a masterpiece.
ThomasdelVasto
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9d ago
Going great. feeling motivated to work out more. Porn is down hallelujah!
ThomasdelVasto
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11d ago
What are you buying during the Steam summer sale? I picked up Persona 4, Noita, Witcher 3, Halo 3 collection, and the Prey Mooncrash DLC.
It's ending in a couple days so I'm considering picking up another couple games on sale like God of War, Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon, or Into the Breach.
Tell me what you're buying, or try to convince me to buy one of the games on my list!
ThomasdelVasto
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11d ago
The born lucky thing is from Rawl's Veil of Ignorance. It is an incredibly retarded argument, imo.
ThomasdelVasto
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13d ago
HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY GO AMERICA!!!!!
ThomasdelVasto
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14d ago
Yeah idk why they don’t just become Orthodox. Maybe they will now.
ThomasdelVasto
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16d ago
Doing well. Moving today and it's hot as blazes. All things considered I'm in a good spot happy with where things are at. Aiming to cut porn a bit more aggressively moving forward.
ThomasdelVasto
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19d ago
Rereading A Wizard of Earthsea and the rest of the novels. There's a reason LeGuin is legendary. She's an incredible storyteller and writer.
ThomasdelVasto
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19d ago
By far the most important thing is to find a good therapist. I’d recommend finding an older man that you like and could see yourself respecting.
ThomasdelVasto
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23d ago
Going well. Have not skipped gym despite going through a tough time personally, and just passed a year of 2x weekly gym visits. Woo!
ThomasdelVasto
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28d ago
Started playing deadlock. It’s pretty fun for a moba but worried I’m gonna get addicted again.
Otherwise playing through baldurs gate 3 still.
ThomasdelVasto
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30d ago
True but the big difference imo is that the event itself doesn’t hire bands or events. Pretty much all the events are organized and run by the attendees.
ThomasdelVasto
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30d ago
It is very expensive, cheapest tickets are like $450 which is as much as bonaroo or more. The main reason I didn’t go back this year, paying almost $500 to sleep in a tent isn’t feasible for me at the moment.
ThomasdelVasto
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30d ago
I’ve been as well perhaps I should’ve mentioned that. Are you on Twitter?
ThomasdelVasto
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30d ago
I admittedly don't have kids and don't have a TON of experience around them.
That being said, this just seems like extremely risky behavior for little to no gain. As @cjet79 said, there are massive legal risks for doing this sort of thing, not to mention the actual risk of exposure to kids, etc. Basically it's spending a ton of weirdness points in a way I don't think need to be spent.
Personally I'd rather just see them bar kids from the event, which is what most events I've been to like this do.
ThomasdelVasto
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30d ago
Doing alright. Big life stuff going on but still going to gym. Started smoking again.
My laptop is fucked and I'm extremely annoyed.
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
What's the gist?
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
Oh, there are definitely drugs. Lots of drugs.
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
Nah rationalist, postrationalist, effective altruism. tpot is "this part of twitter," mostly where postrats hang out.
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
Yeah I remember an old post on lesswrong about weirdness points. Totally agree. Yudkowsky is the classic offender here, but it’s definitely endemic in the rat space. Transgression just for the sake of transgression. I’m surprised so many people still get kicks out of it as they grow older.
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
Yeah fair points. The honest truth is that it gives me the ick, as the kids say.
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
I've gotten into some light twitter drama around Vibecamp, specifically whether it's appropriate to have a midnight nude pool party and a designated sex tent at an event where children are allowed, and even encouraged, to be brought by parents. Here's the full text of my tweet:
steelman of why I think kids + nudity at an event is bad:
having a bunch of weird people (specifically high openness to nudity and sex and drugs not all weird people) around children, especially in a low trust/non gatekept community, dramatically raises risks of child abuse
I've had this argument with the rat/post-rat scene before, and it always baffles me how strong the resistance is. I've had people directly say that no, having nudity and a sex tent LOWERS risks!
I've had multiple people saying that my evidence/argument are weak and burning man does it, so it's totally fine.
that's not a steel man dawg. are you saying that high openness to nudity, sex, and drugs implies tolerance of child abuse?
I don't think your concern is entirely without merit, but I don't think your argument is very good. one thing I noticed at some of the regional burns I've been two is that there is greater expectation of social rule enforcement than at vibecamp. people will narc on you if you violate the rules.
for example, last time there was a guy who pitched his tent a few feet past the property line. he got a warning to move his tent and then got kicked out of the event after failing to do so promptly. I feel like something like that would be less likely at vibecamp, and is imo necessary in the long term to create a safe and trustworthy environment
I'm genuinely trying to have reasonable discussions with people, but I just don't get this sort of thing. The inferential gap here is so large it's hard to fathom how to begin to bridge it. People arguing that it's actually good and healthy to have kids around nude adults they or their parents don't know seem extremely alien to me. Some of these people even have kids, apparently!
Either way, I love the rat/post-rat/EA/tpot scene, I've met many wonderful and awesome people there. Compared to the average normie they're generally intelligent, earnest, kind, and overall fun to hang with. But these sorts of fundamental moral disagreements are why I stopped running a local EA group, and why I just can't identify too strongly with the scene as a whole. I genuinely wish people in these groups had a more traditional sense of morality, a better understanding of boundaries, and generally just cared about Chesterton's fence and second order effects. I hope that these issues don't completely derail the movement (even more, after the FTX poly harem scandal) but I'm not holding my breath. It really is a shame.
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
Yes thank you for the response! I love the ideas here and I hope to flesh them out more in this universe. I definitely want the created beings to be essentially non ambitious, content to do their jobs, and utterly loyal to humanity out of a feeling of duty or obligation or whatever. And of course, pure hatred towards any sort of machine intelligence.
I have thought about traitors too... some sort of Megarachnid race that creates it's own weird hive-mind style thing and decides to ally with the Steel Minds, leading to a horrific war. Anyway yeah it also explains a lack of transhumanism / genetic drift, because as you say once people go too far outside of the "template" of humanity they lose their special status, or something.
In terms of the distinctive attributes, they would be basically immortal, have few needs, and take not much sensory pleasure in things outside of doing their duties and obligations, ideally.
ThomasdelVasto
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1mo ago
Yeah I stayed checked in a little longer, but not too much. You make a good diagnosis of his problems as an author I think.
This is a great article on that exact question: https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/08/16/the-only-reason-to-explore-space/
The project of interstellar civilization may seem incomprehensibly vast, beyond the ability of anyone to influence. But it is not inevitable. Like any great work, it will only occur through planned and deliberate human action. Given the scale of distances involved, we will need to carry out the work not only with unprecedented ingenuity and mobilization of people and resources but also with generational continuity of mission and succession. This will need to be done without the expectation of economic profit or military advantage. There are many precedents for such projects in history, but they have only been carried out successfully by two kinds of institutions, usually working together: governments and religions.
In all recorded history, states have basically only acted on three motivations: national security, economic growth, and political legitimacy. The first two are unreliable or incoherent for interstellar civilization. The third, however, fits like a charm. Legitimacy is as vital to states as economic or military security. As a result, states have spent immeasurable quantities of resources, for decades and even centuries, on projects that, at first glance, seem to have had no material purpose or value. Think of the bronze ding of ancient China, the ziggurats of Sumer, or the cathedrals of medieval Europe. These projects were not, in fact, useless but fulfilled the need for legitimacy according to the beliefs, values, and tastes of the peoples who built them. In that sense, they were priceless.
The expansion of human civilization to other stars will not be pioneered by lone adventurers or merry bands of hardy explorers, like we imagine the voyages of Erik the Red or Christopher Columbus. This works for interplanetary space, but not interstellar space, whose travel time will require multiple generations of people to survive a journey, including on the first try. Interstellar travel will need to accommodate not just adventurous young men with nothing to lose, but also women, children, and the elderly. In other words, a whole society. The existence of a society always implies the existence of a government.
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