Throwaway05
1d ago
15 years ago this would have triggered me, now on the other side? bhahaahahaha
Throwaway05
1d ago
Absolutely common in medicine, finance, tech. Less so government but for some people, well look at Trump posting.
When you are at the top of the heap you don't need to angst about making sure you used good grammar and avoided typos, you just vomit out something for everyone else to translate.
Good managers understand their impact on the staff but most people aren't good managers, casual(ish) communication is a thing, and the absolute apex types aren't really interested in being good managers most of the time even if they can be.
It's a meme in medicine because of attendings vomiting out word salad instruction (especially for research) that students pour over like they need the Rosetta Stone.
I do this at work all the time. We have an hour marked for teaching? I'll slowly, calmly, and didactically teach you the pathophys associated with what we got up to today.
Send me an email at 11pm saying you won't be at the hospital tomorrow because of a curricular responsibility? I'm responding with "Sur" at 5am.
Throwaway05
1d ago
We've done at least one since then, the anti-Trump media industrial complex has other things to focus on at this moment so they are doing that.
Throwaway05
1d ago
Related: I had an intensely black pilling moment during Trump's loss. I have family members in politics who (before and after) would be willing to admit that they would do things, including illegal things, to prevent Trump from getting reelected. Including tampering with the election.
No engagement with how anti-democratic that is, how concerning. Everything was justified to oppose Trump. Everything.
Throwaway05
2d ago
I can tell you I've seen a bunch of testimonials, public statements, and mainstream media coverage all acknowledge this effect.
You don't need to experience it but many, many people did.
No value judgement on that.
Throwaway05
2d ago
Late to this conversation but I want to reinforce that a large part of what Charlie Kirk was, was a person who put voice and face to the disenfranchised and oppressed group on college campuses.
The mistreatment of the right in blue environments is severe and real and he was giving people a safe space to not feel that way.
For that reason his death is radicalizing in multiple ways.
Throwaway05
2d ago
low level of charity in this thread,
Ugh, sorry about that. :(
Throwaway05
2d ago
You know I've never had any issue with treating patients who are rapists, murderers, and pedophiles (and rarely even worse).
But my now my friends and colleagues are starting to remind me of those people...
Throwaway05
2d ago
we are a nation of civilized people governed by rules and laws.
One of the growing conclusions that the anti-woke are coming to is that the left doesn't believe in rules and laws and is tired of having that used against them.
Noem calls this guy a domestic terrorist and everyone loses their mind. Everyone on their mother on the left call it an assassination or an execution? Silence.
If you play pure power politics don't be surprised if the other side starts doing that to.
I don't like it but you can't cooperative with defect bot.
Throwaway05
2d ago
This is largely what I think. I think the OP is hypocritical - he's discovered a video that makes Pretti look like a horrible person, so he concludes that Pretti 'deserved it'.
The new video doesn't change anything for me.
Nor have I landed on deserve it as you mean.
And - you can absolutely come up with the conclusion that he was a bad person. Just because you think you are right doesn't make you moral or right. Don't fight the police. Don't destroy public property. Those are pretty good standards for social vs. anti-social behavior.
Throwaway05
2d ago
I don't know how many times we have to explain "shooting to wound" isn't a thing and "shoot until the threat is eliminated" is standard practice.
It comes up every time, people don't get the message. That is nobody's fault but yours.
Once the mistake is made nobody is going to be able to abort the situation until afterwards.
Throwaway05
2d ago
Lots of investigation and litigation did little to change any minds in the Rittenhouse case, even though it was immediately obvious it was one of the clearest self defense cases ever.
The Good case requires no investigation - all the necessary information was immediately available, it's obvious the shoot was fine. Further information only provided additional evidence Good was an idiot and may provide some rhetorical flourish.
This case is a tragedy, but again additional information isn't needed, it just might soften the view for some people who don't understand what is going on.
Most of the criticism is coming from people who don't have any understanding of how this works, in the context of a social milieu and lying media that lets this ignorance get passed around long enough to be fact.
Take a look at the Good case - you have a ton of armchair quarterbacking going frame by frame trying to find an excuse to blame Ice. People do not operate at those decision speeds. It's just attempts to retroactively justify outrage.
You can say that my clarity is false and you don't agree on the facts, but then we are just looking at a two screen world - any investigate is meaningless for truth seeking, it's just about rhetoric and propaganda.
Throwaway05
2d ago
I think my point there is more about people blindly following a hateful ideology while not realizing the ideology is itself very hateful.
This is not a problem specific to the left or the right.
Throwaway05
2d ago
My point is that some behaviors are sufficiently bad that they cause a known reaction and it is in part your fault for causing that reaction.
This is an important point that is lost in many domains, and as others have pointed out - one of those is bullying.
The stance of many here is that this guy (and good) fucked around and found out. They made mistakes that anyway with any clear thinking would not because they are known to be both avoidable and potentially deadly.
Don't fight the police while carrying a gun is like the most basic thing you can think of (not that "don't fight the police at all" isn't one of the biggest pieces of advice everyone gives their kids). While many on the left don't understand guns, this is mostly equivalent to saying "don't attack the police with a deadly weapon or you might get dead."
The idea that "he wasn't going to use it" is not tenable in a real life situation because everyone claims they weren't or aren't including people actively shooting you...... I.... I don't think most people on the left actually understand how the world works anymore.
Throwaway05
2d ago
I wrote about similar situations in one of my recent posts.
If you haven't been in a scuffle like this it is hard to convey.
Even if you do something (like disarm the guy), it takes awhile for everyone to be aware of that, even in a controlled environment. In a messy situation like this? Fuck no.
It looks bad, but if you had omniscient level understanding of everyone's moment to moment information and thought process you'd likely see that the thinking here was not the problem.
These things just aren't like the movies or how people think they are, which is one of the reasons why after the Good situation a lot of were like "no, stop doing this, no training and skill is enough, keep doing things like this and more unavoidable bad outcomes will happen. When not if."
Throwaway05
2d ago
My understanding is that the legal system draws a distinction between "move, I want that seat" and "hey nigger move your bitch ass or I'll rape your ugly retarded mother,"
Some behaviors have a clear, dangerous response. See: "fighting words."
The institutional loss of knowledge of these tensions is causing problems. Obviously wearing a miniskirt in public doesn't justify anything. Doing the same alone at a bar where date rapes happen and not monitoring your drink also doesn't justify anything, but it certainly is a sign of poor judgement.
Breaking into a private biker bar and shouting "rape me pussies." Yeah... that one is your fault.
Where to draw these lines is important and hard, but at some point people need to understand that their actions have consequences and they become part of the blame equation.
Throwaway05
2d ago
This situation makes all of this quite complicated - you can't really call something a delusions if a good third to half the country believe it for instance.
Social pressures and informational pressures making unsafe (and maybe even evil) behavior not seem that way isn't a psychiatric issue, hell it isn't even a personality issue, that is what makes it so dangerous.
You break healthy people and make them do worrying shit.
This is why I think the left are the real Nazis. These are the people would be happily killing jews back in the day.
Throwaway05
2d ago
Good reminder, thank you.
Throwaway05
2d ago
For what it's worth I think attorneys have it worse. :/
Throwaway05
2d ago
I don't agree with much of this comment but I appreciate you sharing it.
Throwaway05
2d ago
extrajudicial summary execution
It was an accident, in all likelihood the claim from everyone will turn into "we thought he still had a gun."
That's accidental mutual combat, self-defense, a tragedy, whatever - not an execution or assassination as we see the media try.
Throwaway05
2d ago
Thanks, this one helps - I see a wide swath of the population but what people say and espouse to their doctor/while at work isn't necessary the full run of thoughts and experiences. Good reminder.
Throwaway05
2d ago
I think the most dangerous part of wokeism is how ego-syntonic it is. It tells you all your worst instincts are completely appropriate (against them), it tells you are a good person and you have empathy.
It's is a scaffolding which permits so much bad behavior, just as the worst religions do.
Throwaway05
2d ago
I was vague because I am not sure if the word deserve applies and think it's a tough situation - the rational and emotional parts of my brain are both split.
As a more immediate note - if you wear a gun in front of cops you have certainly behavioral responsibilities that he did not meet on multiple occasions.
He didn't walk around the bad part of town wearing a miniskirt, he did it while wearing a miniskirt and making racial slurs and daring people to assault him. This certainly doesn't ethically clear any rapists in full, but it alters the calculus quite a bit.
People need to have accountability for behavior, especially when what not to do is obvious, clearly understood, and impulse control does not apply.
My grammar is ass. Any time it is not ass, know that I spent far too much time on writing it.
Am I capable of correct grammar? Possibly.
Do I want to? No.
Is this the perk of seniority (at least at work)? Yes.
Does this hopefully further my point given that I ideally have established myself as a reasonably educated and intelligent person in ten years posting here and at our predecessors? Dunno.
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