Hardly believeable, because at the times there were Russian units within artillery range of the rail tracks, etc.
Why?
I want to remind about August 12, 2008 in Tbilisi. President of Poland visited it during ongoing invasion by Russia.
Today it is Georgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after tomorrow the Baltic States, and then perhaps my country, Poland
And yes, it was quite risky but it was done when situation was relatively stable and expanding Russia is a nightmare scenario for Poland/Estonia/Lithuania and so on. So yes, it was risky - but politicians actually did what they should be doing for once.
A American journalist in Russia wrote an article that claims Zelensky fled to either Lviv or a NATO base in eastern Poland.
"journalist"
This website has following articles on its main page
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Yeah, very reputable journalists. This article is likely to be true - as much as that article about Israel nuking USA on 9/11 and Beirut. To say nothing about UFO.
From this group article about "Masonic Rothschilds" and Jewish Jesuits are most likely to be true, and that is saying something.
With technology it is trivial to place Zelensky anywhere you want in Ukraine.
Not really. See say this and that - to fake that you would need massive CGI support and ridiculously sized conspiracy.
Also, given that not even Putin or Russian propaganda or their milbloggers are claiming this, you would need a really convincing evidence to get us to treat it seriously.
I do not believe for one moment that he spends a majority of his time in Ukraine.
Your claim is entirely based on "appearances strongly suggest he uses a green screen" claim without evidence and your non-existent authority.
so to me it’s more likely to be “Azov killed innocents who took Russian aid”
we literally have satellite imagery of dead bodies lying on streets at time of Russian occupation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre#Satellite_images
without any real evidence for anything
This is blatant lie and denial of reality.
Wawel
1yr ago
Or about communism in 1989.
In 1989 USSR was clearly rotting to the point that it was likely noticed even by mass media in USA.
Wawel
1yr ago
I love the idea of Russia being fine with soldiers killing influential pro-Russian politicians in key areas.
I am not claiming that Russian invasion was competent.
This is fake too, I imagine: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0gip7ibW_5Q
Ja niponimaju.
No idea what it is, I do not speak Russian. And RT branding and tiny account and that you posted it does not encourage me to spend time on it.
Wawel
1yr ago
Again, you are highly misinformed.
Ukraine had quite strong army. Artillery (except ultra-long-range), tanks, standard issue weaponry, planes, drones are their own supply. Also, other categories - it is not like Javelin is the only AT weapon.
Wawel
1yr ago
no consulting the family of the victims
another blatant lie, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre :
Businessman and former 2004 Ukrainian presidential election candidate Oleksandr Rzhavskyy was killed in Bucha at his estate. Rzhavskyy was previously noted to be a pro-Russian politician, criticized the post-2014 Ukrainian government and praised Vladimir Putin. According to his daughter, he had been abducted twice by Russian soldiers at his estate who had demanded a ransom, and during a drunken binge, the Russian soldiers shot him dead.
Wawel
1yr ago
They fund everything
No, they do not. Vast majority of funds is provided by Ukraine and Russia.
Western help is crucial, but it is only part. Ukraine provides manpower, Ukraine and Russia provided vast part of heavy weaponry.
People were excited about Javelins but Ukrainian Stugnas were also heavily used. Nonsexy artillery has taken down plenty of tanks. And so on.
Wawel
1yr ago
Submit interesting materials there. Do not even try spamming, that will not work.
Because prime ministers are well known for going by train into combat zones and dodging artillery shells. Yes, yes. that's what they do.
Some of them do. Some of they overdo, plenty of Polish politicians died in Smoleńsk as result of overly risky visit (and in that case it was a really dumb risk).
Tbilisi and Kiev visits were more useful and ended well.
And "A very rarely do Y" is a good starting point, but not enough to convincingly reject claim that specific event happened.
Could you not be an NPC and look at the actual claims ?
I have limited time and I refuse to treat seriously website that published claim that 9/11 and Beirut explosion were an Israeli nuclear attack. I would treat it more seriously if article would be published on Substack or self-hosted website.
Reading Ukraine-adjacent conspiracy theories by you and coffee was mildly amusing but I am not going to spend a lot of time on it. Especially if it is published on garbage tier website filled with blatant low quality garbage, and by all indicators is also a garbage.
I am curious: are you claiming that Beirut and 9/11 were an Israeli nuclear attacks?
Wawel
1yr ago
In any case, Ukraine is claiming there are 'hundreds of bodies' and insinuating Russia murdered them all without really saying so.
I never claimed that Ukrainian claims are 100% accurate, and I can say that their claims are not fully accurate. They were publishing screenshots from flying games in the beginning of war and their count of shot down planes is a total fantasy.
Also, there were hundred of bodies, murdered by Russian invading army. And Ukraine has not merely insinuated this but openly claimed that - and as far as I know it was an accurate claim.
Dead bodies lying in the street, in position that look like they haven't even attempted to flee are more suggestive of people getting killed by a stray artillery shot than having been shot.
Even if that is true it reveals complete and blatant lies from Russians who claimed that they have harmed noone in Bucha.
Russia claims that the bodies had been "staged" by the Ukrainian side after the withdrawal of Russian troops were contradicted by satellite images from mid-March that were provided by Maxar Technologies to The New York Times.[81] The images of Yablonska Street show at least 11 "dark objects of similar size to a human body" appearing between 9 and 11 March.
And for:
soldiers being dicks / panicking / untrained most of the rest and as to executions, they're quite likely
that + looting and rape and torture is exactly what is being described as Bucha massacre.
Wawel
1yr ago
pretty much burning entire random villages
Are you sure? From what I know Ukrainians were not using limited capability for shelling random villages but rather targeting military infrastructure and things like major power substations in places with military bases.
Wawel
1yr ago
Worked for the Wehrmacht
You have really curious definition of "worked". German army never solved its crippling lack of fuel.
Wawel
1yr ago
It started from
When Zelensky disagrees, Zelensky is out.
Zelensky asked for WW III (AKA "close the sky" AKA "no fly zone" AKA "NATO shots down Russian planes, bombs airports and Russia and runs SEAD/DEAD over Belarus and Russia").
I think that it is sufficient for rejection of "When Zelensky disagrees, Zelensky is out." and "Not on anything of significance"
Are you comparing total army size (Ukrainian side?) with deployed combat troops (Russian side?)
See tooth-to-tail ratio why it is misleading. Even Russian army has significant logistical tail.
indeed both regions have recruited large forces in the past 8 years to resist Ukrainian agression against the independent republics
And somehow this forces were recruited mostly among Russian soldiers that visited with Russian equipment, up to anti-air system that shot down civilian airliner (and this specific Buk system with missing missile returned to Russia).
In other words, sometimes negating mainstream media just makes you repeating a different propaganda that is less truthful.
Yes, BBC and CNN are manipulating and often lying. But Lavrov and whatever sources you use are much worse than that on this topic.
I have seen no evidence Russia wasn't largely supported by the populations of Crimea and the Donbass
In Crimea maybe, but I have seen also no evidence that annexation into Russia had a real majority. To speak nothing about supermajority. And no, "referendum" setup by Russia without oversight with Russian army standing around obviously does not count.
In Donbass? Support for what? Autonomy had serious support, peaceful annexation into Russia had minimal support. Multiyear war and turning Mariupol into mass grave had no support.
commiting cultural if not actual genocide against its russian minority since 2014
[citation needed]
Especially for deliberate mass murder claims (I guess that you mean by "actual genocide"?).
And not some official Russian propaganda.
Ideally, not something where Russians are 10 or 100 times worse. Somehow one side invaded and keeps bombing cities, shot down civilian airliner, deports people and Lavrov claimed that no attack is happening both while invasion was prepared and weeks after it started.
Wawel
1yr ago
You really think the Chinese can’t figure out how to get a few latest generation ASML machines?
few? probably. As many as they were acquiring so far? I am less sure.
Wawel
1yr ago
I walked down a street with 20 cars, each one with windows smashed - there's no amount of law enforcement funding that could prevent this
note that many places across world manage to avoid this
And I’m left asking, can we predict that? How can we predict how leaders will react under pressure? How can we predict how wars and matters of state will conclude if they hinge on these personal decisions of individual, fallible, men?
I think that it is relatively hard to predict, especially for critical pressure where things cannot be really tested.
Though obviously there are some indicators, lowlife cheater and scammer is less likely to be heroic than average. But during German occupation there were also cases of dedicated antisemites risking their lives to rescue Jewish children. And supposedly noble people becoming traitors with a small push.
Yeah, in this case war is so prominent in large part because it is happening in Europe and Europeans got scared. And "because white people are dying this time" is fairly accurate reason for why is so prominent.
And also because Russia escalates and it is a good occasion to reduce its power and plans before in directly attacks NATO member and USA will need to decide whether they want
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NATO collapse
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credibly threaten nuclear war
Nice to see USA capable of more long term planning than Russia with CSTO that just collapsed (Armenia).
But it is not changing that it is quite clear case of good vs evil. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (doing massive damage to any attempts to give up nuclear weapons by anyone else in future), annexed Crimea, shot down civilian airliner, proceeded to wage war in East. And more recently started full scale invasion that killed thousands (and total death count likely crossed 200 000).
Russia is clear invader and all their stated reasons are lies and in direct conflict in reality. Russia has brought neo-nazi units into Ukraine to hunt down Jewish president, murders thousands Russian-language speakers to protect them and destroys primarily cities where they live. Russia claiming to be threatened by NATO empties bases in Kaliningrad and on border with Finland. 1st Guards Tank Army was recently mauled.
It is a pure imperialism annexation war, with things like deportation of children, declaration that Ukrainian identify is not existing and attempting to destroy it, large scale destruction, looting of anything from washing machines through cars to radiators, widespread rape, torture and murder...
The best that can be said that during WW II they behaved even worse, so there is some civilizational progress.
In this case chronic contrarianism is not helpful.
"The Ukraine conflict is one of the clearest examples of good vs. evil in the past century"
One of? I agree, though within last century we had a lot of such conflicts. Like Poland getting invaded by Germany-Russia alliance to take example of turbo-evil countries invading really flawed country, which nevertheless can be accurately described as good vs evil. Despite that Poland had a lot of issues. More than modern Ukraine has.
Wawel
1yr ago
Uninformed amateur: is it hard to sink civilian ferries used as troop transports?
Wawel
1yr ago
Sure, being under Putin would be a bit worse for the average Ukrainian
That seems underestimate likely effects given all that "Ukraine is fake country, Ukrainians are Russians" and so on from Putin and Russia.
patrons whose interests are not served at all (or mostly not) by a government in exile
though yes, this + realpolitik is explanation why there is interest here, and Armenia gets ignored.
Wawel
1yr ago
Putin didn’t know his army was complete shit.
Yeah, getting high on own propaganda supply was a fundamental reason for this war.
It is especially painful as utter corruption of Russian army was not something secret, just underestimated.
Curious, given that they tried to achieve this for much longer and consistently failed.
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