Wawel
1yr ago
China being self sufficient on food? Okay I can safely dismiss you as knowing nothing about China.
That is true.
their strategic grain reserves are mostly spoiled thanks to corruption
[citation needed]
And makes me unsure about your 80% claim
Wawel
1yr ago
China has a similar but more verbally assertive and less actually aggressive posture («whoever tries to humiliate us will smash his head against the iron wall of 1.4 billion Chinese people», then allows Pelosi to land), and thus both countries abuse anticolonial rhetoric.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
"China's final warning" (Russian: последнее китайское предупреждение) is a Russian proverb from the 1950s, which originated in the former Soviet Union, referring to a warning that carries no real consequences.[1]
American military fighter jets regularly patrolled the Taiwan Strait, which led to formal protests being regularly lodged by the Chinese Communist Party in the form of a "final warning", for their fighter maneuvers in the strait. However, no real consequences were given for ignoring the "final warnings".
More than 900 Chinese "final warnings" had been issued by the end of 1964.
Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the proverb has remained a common metaphorical catchphrase within the post-Soviet countries, especially in Estonia.
Wawel
1yr ago
You really think the Chinese can’t figure out how to get a few latest generation ASML machines?
few? probably. As many as they were acquiring so far? I am less sure.
Wawel
1yr ago
Or about communism in 1989.
In 1989 USSR was clearly rotting to the point that it was likely noticed even by mass media in USA.
Wawel
1yr ago
No idea. But that seems the most obvious reason, and sounds like plausible reason (which does not make it a good reason).
If it was human reviewed: maybe also they have see whatever image was produced and "bad anatomy, child, young" (without spotting that it is in negative prompt).
Wawel
1yr ago
No one claimed this shill
You claimed this in https://www.themotte.org/post/133/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/19694?context=8#context with
Well of course. I look at it, and it looks like a green screen to me.
in response to
Not really. See say this and that - to fake that you would need massive CGI support and ridiculously sized conspiracy.
Though maybe you claimed that Zelensky was CGIed, while other photos were not? Then lets clarify it to
Given that you claim that Zelensky never visited Bucha and that all photos and videos of Zelensky from there are CGI I am not expecting to be able to convince you. In the same way as sometimes I may engage in discussion with flat-earther (or person running false-fag trolling).
Wawel
1yr ago
I walked down a street with 20 cars, each one with windows smashed - there's no amount of law enforcement funding that could prevent this
note that many places across world manage to avoid this
I don’t think anything would encourage you to spend time on a Russian-sourced claim.
Oh, I am doing this. I admit that I am limiting it primarily to "oh look what silly thing they are putting as an official claim" and to confirm things bad for them.
But well sourced claims also would be convincing, especially takedowns of Ukrainian lies. I am pretty sure that I become aware of Ukrainian official accounts posting game screenshots as real from such source (but it could be also Oryx retweeting them).
And I believed them as they provided an actual evidence.
I also spend some noticeable time on reading what Putin wrote (that blabbing how Ukraine is fake nation and so on). And self-published reports from Russians.
And treating RT with deep suspicion is well-warranted.
I am… not going to believe that.
Yes, Red Army occupation tends to include pro-russian people getting killed by a random violent drunk Russian soldier.
In similar way how German Third Reich managed to convince people that USSR occupation is preferable (and similarly, how in some areas Gestapo managed to become preferable to NKVD). Both sides put massive effort on self-sabotage.
Going back to ongoing situation. Armies have loooooooong history of murdering random people. In fact, it is really impressive when such murders are non-existent or extremely rare. Which seems to be standard reached by Ukrainian army, but not Russian.
And obviously I am not trying to convince you, but other people reading this (and to have pretext to read more about this topics).
Given that you claim that Zelensky never visited Bucha and that all photos and videos from there are CGI I am not expecting to be able to convince you. In the same way as sometimes I may engage in discussion with flat-earther (or person running false-fag trolling).
Wawel
1yr ago
Also, it is not like Russia has history of performing successful precision attacks.
Wawel
1yr ago
Uninformed amateur: is it hard to sink civilian ferries used as troop transports?
I would be shocked to discover that Russian army has not murdered any people for trivial defiance.
Not investigated this specific case.
Wawel
1yr ago
They were also completely fucked up anyway. Maybe it would be marginally worse, but their position in 1944 is hard to describe as working.
Wawel
1yr ago
I've seen experts forecast that they'll probably be able to develop what they need in 2-3 years.
Curious, given that they tried to achieve this for much longer and consistently failed.
It's not clear to me why the people haven't fled
People outside were very likely to be murdered/raped/tortured by Russian occupiers so most tried to wait.
Also, many has fled and remaining were less able/willing to escape.
as i if they, in a contested town on the front line had nothign better to do than kill thirty civilans each day.
I never claimed that Russian soldiers have good priorities. If anything, I claimed exact opposite. Which is self-proving by fact that they are Russian soldiers.
And I have no idea why you are surprised by that: we have long history of armies murdering civilians for no good reason, often with harm to themself. Russian army has even more clear history of being absurdly evil.
We also have quite good evidence of Russian army murdering some specific people in this specific case.
Because prime ministers are well known for going by train into combat zones and dodging artillery shells. Yes, yes. that's what they do.
Some of them do. Some of they overdo, plenty of Polish politicians died in Smoleńsk as result of overly risky visit (and in that case it was a really dumb risk).
Tbilisi and Kiev visits were more useful and ended well.
And "A very rarely do Y" is a good starting point, but not enough to convincingly reject claim that specific event happened.
Could you not be an NPC and look at the actual claims ?
I have limited time and I refuse to treat seriously website that published claim that 9/11 and Beirut explosion were an Israeli nuclear attack. I would treat it more seriously if article would be published on Substack or self-hosted website.
Reading Ukraine-adjacent conspiracy theories by you and coffee was mildly amusing but I am not going to spend a lot of time on it. Especially if it is published on garbage tier website filled with blatant low quality garbage, and by all indicators is also a garbage.
I am curious: are you claiming that Beirut and 9/11 were an Israeli nuclear attacks?
Soviet Union (including Ukrainian people), Ukraine (maintenance, refurbishment) for old stock.
Ukraine for TB2, Neptune, Stugna and similar.
Wawel
1yr ago
In any case, Ukraine is claiming there are 'hundreds of bodies' and insinuating Russia murdered them all without really saying so.
I never claimed that Ukrainian claims are 100% accurate, and I can say that their claims are not fully accurate. They were publishing screenshots from flying games in the beginning of war and their count of shot down planes is a total fantasy.
Also, there were hundred of bodies, murdered by Russian invading army. And Ukraine has not merely insinuated this but openly claimed that - and as far as I know it was an accurate claim.
Dead bodies lying in the street, in position that look like they haven't even attempted to flee are more suggestive of people getting killed by a stray artillery shot than having been shot.
Even if that is true it reveals complete and blatant lies from Russians who claimed that they have harmed noone in Bucha.
Russia claims that the bodies had been "staged" by the Ukrainian side after the withdrawal of Russian troops were contradicted by satellite images from mid-March that were provided by Maxar Technologies to The New York Times.[81] The images of Yablonska Street show at least 11 "dark objects of similar size to a human body" appearing between 9 and 11 March.
And for:
soldiers being dicks / panicking / untrained most of the rest and as to executions, they're quite likely
that + looting and rape and torture is exactly what is being described as Bucha massacre.
Wawel
1yr ago
Worked for the Wehrmacht
You have really curious definition of "worked". German army never solved its crippling lack of fuel.
Hardly believeable, because at the times there were Russian units within artillery range of the rail tracks, etc.
Why?
I want to remind about August 12, 2008 in Tbilisi. President of Poland visited it during ongoing invasion by Russia.
Today it is Georgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after tomorrow the Baltic States, and then perhaps my country, Poland
And yes, it was quite risky but it was done when situation was relatively stable and expanding Russia is a nightmare scenario for Poland/Estonia/Lithuania and so on. So yes, it was risky - but politicians actually did what they should be doing for once.
A American journalist in Russia wrote an article that claims Zelensky fled to either Lviv or a NATO base in eastern Poland.
"journalist"
This website has following articles on its main page
21 Years Later: Did Israel Nuke The United States of America on 9/11?
UFO: Documentary Proves Billy Meier’s UFO ‘Not A Hoax’!
A Member of the Illuminati Tells All?
VT Nuclear Education: The Beirut Nuclear Coverup ("Is Beirut the first major city to be nuked? Would you believe it's not even close?" "not just the missiles but the Israeli F 16s as well with many videos of them diving over apartment buildings before the massive blast" "Israel nuked the US on 9/11 and VT has proven it beyond a doubt.")
Masonic Rothschilds got caught in Switzerland—again
The Rape of Nanking: Fact or Fiction? ("The Rape of Nanking appears to be the work of the war propaganda in the United States and perhaps the Chinese authorities at the time. ")
Exclusive: US Army Brought COVID-19 to China with Fake ‘Military Games’ Team (March 2020 story)
Review: The Jesuit Order as a Synagogue of Jews – Part One
Yeah, very reputable journalists. This article is likely to be true - as much as that article about Israel nuking USA on 9/11 and Beirut. To say nothing about UFO.
From this group article about "Masonic Rothschilds" and Jewish Jesuits are most likely to be true, and that is saying something.
Wawel
1yr ago
As seen in https://www.themotte.org/post/133/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/19694?context=8#context it is not limited to that :)
(I promise, coffee is not my false-flag account)
Wawel
1yr ago
Well, then maybe you didn't follow Ukrainian news before these events.
Exactly, and my image of him is definitely overly positive so I am interested in reading more
This whole hero discussion is ridiculous. People just love to idolize politicians and root for the team, I guess.
"Hero" label is still useful, and not using it ever is not the best idea.
Wawel
1yr ago
Sure, being under Putin would be a bit worse for the average Ukrainian
That seems underestimate likely effects given all that "Ukraine is fake country, Ukrainians are Russians" and so on from Putin and Russia.
patrons whose interests are not served at all (or mostly not) by a government in exile
though yes, this + realpolitik is explanation why there is interest here, and Armenia gets ignored.
Wawel
1yr ago
I love the idea of Russia being fine with soldiers killing influential pro-Russian politicians in key areas.
I am not claiming that Russian invasion was competent.
This is fake too, I imagine: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0gip7ibW_5Q
Ja niponimaju.
No idea what it is, I do not speak Russian. And RT branding and tiny account and that you posted it does not encourage me to spend time on it.
This war become dangerous to Putin, not to Russia.
And it is not a computer game.
This scenario will not happen.
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