Westerly
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Seems possible, but it feels like “I invented a character that disagreed with me but then realized my opponents were stupid and I was right all along.” On the other hand, is using an example of a real person much different? Sure, it reins in the most ridiculous excesses, but there are so many people with such a variety of contradictory experiences in the world that maybe even cherry-picking a real person isn’t all that different from inventing a character out of whole cloth.
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1yr ago
Was this a known effect of fluoride when it was introduced to water supplies?
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1yr ago
Seems a fitting illustration of my earlier comment that mentioned the recurring theme of suicidality of leftism and endless, unquestioning affirmation. If you would affirm and aid a teenage girl in cutting her breasts off, why not aid her in committing suicide? Who is to say her desire is invalid? She is just speaking her truth.
In discussing transgenderism in teenage girls, such as in Abigail Shrier’s Irreversible Damage, analogies to other forms of self mutilation like cutting and anorexia are frequently brought up. To those (such as myself) that question gender affirming care, there is the fear that we are effectively engaging in cutting-affirming care. I can easily imagine a future with suicide-affirming “care” for teenagers being the logical endpoint. I can even imagine the arguments like “They are going to commit suicide anyway, you might as well make it legal and as painless as possible” (see: abortion and drug arguments)
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1yr ago
Many such cases. Similar to the Oberlin bakery.
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1yr ago
What would it take to convince you
How about her successfully killing herself on her own, for starters?
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1yr ago
I don’t even understand what argument you are making and neither do your interlocutors seem to. What is the point of the haggling over the price comment if it has (apparently) no bearing on anything?
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1yr ago
Suicide takes less than 1 second of action, and zero persistence through pain or discomfort. It is closer to watching tv than bodybuilding. If you told me you badly wanted to watch tv, but a tv was in the other room and you simply lacked the will to walk in there and turn it on I absolutely would question the depth of your desire to watch tv.
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1yr ago
troll accusations
Typically meaningless tactic for dismissing points you don’t like. A lot of whining
why are the children of our elites so consistently idiots and drug addicts
I would be very, very surprised by this. Is this actually true? Are children of the top 10% actually lower IQ and more frequently addicted to drugs than the bottom decile?
If the HBD-Tards' and Woke-Cels' theories about race were accurate, this ought to have translated into quick and easy victory
I don’t think any HBD advocate claims that by accepting HBD you automatically win all wars regardless of other factors
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1yr ago
I feel a low effort/bare-links CW thread would be best. Now that we own the codebase I imagine we can have multiple pinned posts and the bare-links post could be separate from the CW thread. So if users dislike it they can just ignore it.
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1yr ago
What is the “community nurse” doing other than “finger wagging about dont drink soda”? Why won’t her words go in one ear and out the other? The fact that people continue smoking despite all the well-known harms and warnings suggests that a mild-mannered suggestion from some obese nurse will have no greater effect. What revelatory information about cigarettes or soda is the nurse going to provide? If you are so stupid as to give your baby soda rather than breast milk nothing can help your baby short of losing custody
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1yr ago
Did some notable 9/11 truthers get murdered? Is this alluding to something specific?
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1yr ago
Am I once again missing something here? What do you mean by getting "Dorner'd"? Perhaps he was wrongfully fired, but my recollection was he then went on a killing spree and committed suicide. How is that analogous to getting assassinated for conspiracy theories?
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1yr ago
Right, but his original comment implied that Alex Jones would have died for questioning 9/11 cops when in the Dorner situation he didn't die for questioning cops but for going on a killing spree. So yea, I guess if Alex Jones decided to question 9/11 and then go on a killing spree he would have something to worry about, but I feel like the "killing spree" is the integral part of that much more than the "questioning 9/11"
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1yr ago
There were honestly so many retcons over the course of COVID that I lost track. I can only hope someone more spiteful than me collected them all lest they be memoryholed. I at least remember when the WHO edited the definition of 'herd immunity' to exclude natural immunity after the vaccine came out, or when magazines retroactively attached prefaces to articles about how leaky vaccines might make diseases more virulent explaining this did not apply to COVID for unspecified reasons
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1yr ago
This strikes me as rationalists rationalizing their own class self-interest. The same way EA just so happens to only support democrat politicians, rationalism coincidentally just so happens to work out extremely well for the types of people that are rationalists. Easy to be YIMBY when you are 25 and living in a rented apartment in San Francisco.
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1yr ago
These kinds of choices are just degrading, painful and exploitative. What’s the harm if I offer a poor man one million dollars to have sex with his wife? If he values his wife’s purity he can just refuse, no harm right? Obviously not, if he’s in a situation where he needs the money, even just having this option can be deeply distressing.
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1yr ago
They’re both bad. Critics fall for wokeshit but audiences fall for shitshit. Superhero trash and Black Panther are at the top either way
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1yr ago
The level of invective acceptable against atheists here is totally wild to me. Religious posters here get away with shit others never would, simply because the average atheist California software developer that posts here is vaguely self-hating and sees it as an exotic and cool worldview. Like if there were an Amish poster here he could probably say literally anything and he’d be showered in upvotes and praise.
Like at this point, yes, most posters have come around to the Peterson-style view that religion is a useful social technology that has tangible benefits. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to either start hitting my head with a hammer until I believe it, or raise my kids with an elaborately larped lie. Unfortunately the box can’t be closed and I just have to figure out how to get those same benefits another way
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1yr ago
it is socially useful as a costly signal proving trustworthiness
How? How is it a costly signal and how does it establish trustworthiness?
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1yr ago
These are just reasons why drinking is good, not why it is a costly signal of trustworthiness.
Is a social drinker more trustworthy than a completely sober guy? Maybe, but you can make plausible-sounding arguments either way. Maybe the drinker is less likely to have elaborately hidden secrets, but the teetotaler has also demonstrated capacity for self denial and high impulse control, which has to be worth something.
Do teetotalers have higher or lower than average rates of criminality? I would bet lower, but I could be wrong.
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1yr ago
Winnie-the-Panda
What’s with this? We wouldn’t call Trump “The Orange Cheeto-in-Chief” here, just bizarre
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1yr ago
”Groomer” as I understand it, is a person who’s making a covert attempt to directly modify a kid’s sexuality in unhealthy ways
This is the equivalent of wokes using “white supremacy” to include timeliness, dress codes and objectivity. Maybe you feel turnabout is fair play, but it’s dishonest and is a transparent attempt to leverage conditioned emotional reactions to a different, narrower concept against a newly broadened category
I also really doubt any supporters of this would say its purpose is to punish reds as opposed to “protect trans kids.” I think it’s fair to ask whether “protect trans kids” or “hurt red tribers” is a model more predictive of actual behavior, but you have to actually ask that, because this law is consistent with both so far as I can tell.
I believe you are right, and it is interesting how completely taboo it would be to suggest to a gay person, “Maybe a heterosexual relationship and a family would make you happier?” What percentage of people in heterosexual relationships experience little or no sexual desire for their partner? Between the elderly and the ugly I would guess >50%, but plenty of hetero people are fine making that compromise in exchange for a friend, a companion and a family.
The traditional SSC response would be something about ingroup and outgroup and how when they say “white people” this is code for red tribe white people aka bad white people unlike themselves. I do not believe this. I believe there is a legitimate undercurrent of self hatred and suicidality to a lot of left-leaning beliefs. I believe the honest answer would be that white people should (ideally voluntarily) just die out.
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