Westerly
2yr ago
Russia is not losing this war, the stakes are too high, so it’s going to keep going on. They cannot afford to give up
What exactly are the stakes? What exactly would happen to Russia that would be so intolerable if they did give up and just went home? Would it really be so bad?
Westerly
11mo ago
Ok I know I’m probably falling for bait but holy smokes that reddit post is mind-boggling.
They have two notions that cannot both be true: A) My husband is a good person, B) All Trump supporters are bad people. It just seems so backwards to conclude: Therefore my husband is a bad person. Can’t they see it would be more reasonable to break the other proposition and conclude that not all Trump supporters are bad people? They are trusting Twitter/Reddit over their own experience with the guy? Gosh I need to stop reading this stuff or I’ll go crazy
Eh I doubt epistemic injury is a factor, I don’t think people think that deeply. Probably a combination of 1) deterrence when other men are around and 2) lies/imagination. As for 2, I’m sure some women are doing the whole “OMG that creeper was totally stalking me” thing. But several women I know not to be fabulists have related to me more instances of creepy behavior when they are alone and it is not unreasonable to assume male presence deters it.
Edit: Isn’t there any woman you trust completely to be honest and accurate on this? My wife hates minorities as much as any motte user but reports harrassment when on her own that I never see
Westerly
2yr ago
troll accusations
Typically meaningless tactic for dismissing points you don’t like. A lot of whining
why are the children of our elites so consistently idiots and drug addicts
I would be very, very surprised by this. Is this actually true? Are children of the top 10% actually lower IQ and more frequently addicted to drugs than the bottom decile?
If the HBD-Tards' and Woke-Cels' theories about race were accurate, this ought to have translated into quick and easy victory
I don’t think any HBD advocate claims that by accepting HBD you automatically win all wars regardless of other factors
Oh man, between that Vice article and the OPs Youtube discussion, it just reminds me why I love TheMotte and how awful discussion on non-Motte platforms is. I mean that article ended with this gem: “But also, if you’re a wokefish, it might genuinely be worth considering: why do I hold views that I’m too ashamed to publicly express?”
Are they really this incapable of imagining the shoe being on the other foot? How about trying to date while woke in some small town in Alabama? Could they imagine it then? Or the framing noted by the OP, how my political values are human rights issues, yours are mere politics. Whenever I leave the motte I realize that being able to decouple, discuss things above the object-level and imagine other perspectives with any level of charity is so incredibly rare and precious
Westerly
1yr ago
Again with the voice call polling. So in other words people answering a phone call from unknown caller. This is anecdotal but I don't know anyone under 50 who answers a call from numbers they don't recognize or don't hang up when it sounds like a telemarketer.
Reddit used to say this about Bernie polls all the time
Westerly
2yr ago
Why should you give to your community when you could give even more to your son? Perhaps it is utterly evil and repulsive to help your community when your son could use a second xbox?
I believe you are right, and it is interesting how completely taboo it would be to suggest to a gay person, “Maybe a heterosexual relationship and a family would make you happier?” What percentage of people in heterosexual relationships experience little or no sexual desire for their partner? Between the elderly and the ugly I would guess >50%, but plenty of hetero people are fine making that compromise in exchange for a friend, a companion and a family.
Westerly
2yr ago
The level of invective acceptable against atheists here is totally wild to me. Religious posters here get away with shit others never would, simply because the average atheist California software developer that posts here is vaguely self-hating and sees it as an exotic and cool worldview. Like if there were an Amish poster here he could probably say literally anything and he’d be showered in upvotes and praise.
Like at this point, yes, most posters have come around to the Peterson-style view that religion is a useful social technology that has tangible benefits. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to either start hitting my head with a hammer until I believe it, or raise my kids with an elaborately larped lie. Unfortunately the box can’t be closed and I just have to figure out how to get those same benefits another way
Westerly
2yr ago
Did some notable 9/11 truthers get murdered? Is this alluding to something specific?
Westerly
2yr ago
Many such cases. Similar to the Oberlin bakery.
Westerly
2yr ago
yet dogs are allowed to defecate in public
To be fair we seem to be heading towards giving you this right too
Westerly
2yr ago
Wow after being permanently banned from reddit years ago this is nice. I can finally stop seething in silence and promptly get back to getting banned again
Westerly
10mo ago
Tomato appears to just be waging culture war. He hasn’t shown anything to suggest there’s more to it, just naked assertions that “rightoids” are completely devastated
Westerly
11mo ago
The people who cooked shit in a pot and now don't want to eat it.
This is still too edgy and cool for me to understand. Why not just write in a clear way?
Westerly
11mo ago
there could be people here who would demand I capitalize it
How did you end up here? Genuinely curious
Edit: “Here” meaning TheMotte
Westerly
2yr ago
it is socially useful as a costly signal proving trustworthiness
How? How is it a costly signal and how does it establish trustworthiness?
Westerly
2yr ago
nomenklatura
Can someone explain why I have seen this word maybe 10 times in the past week but never before in my life? Did some prominent person or blogger use it recently?
Westerly
2yr ago
Why does the death penalty have to be about deterrence as opposed to revenge/justice? If it’s a bad enough crime, anything short of killing him feels wrong. Just let the prisoner give a short speech before hanging publicly
Westerly
2yr ago
Don’t be so cute. You know what anti-racism is, and it’s not aww gee shucks I just think racism sure is bad. It’s classic motte & bailey feminism is just equality stuff.
Westerly
11mo ago
I don’t understand what point you are making. You’re upset Carini gave up too easily and feel this degrades women’s sports. You’re upset people are questioning Khelif’s gender despite evidence that there are legit questions there. You feel that because Khelif has lost to a biological woman that their sex is irrelevant.
Is it that you want the anti-trans side to wait for Prime Mike Tyson to transition and kill a few women before raising any objections?
Westerly
11mo ago
I don’t know this feels dubious. TheMotte has basically zero googleability and the idea someone would stumble into our dying spinoff forum years after it spun off is just hard to believe.
What’s with this? We wouldn’t call Trump “The Orange Cheeto-in-Chief” here, just bizarre
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