YoungAchamian
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YoungAchamian
10hr ago
I mean this is needlessly picky, its like the one-drop rule for individualism. If you are even a drop of individualist, you are not a true collectivist. By that definition Communists are not collectivists, neither are progressives, pretty nobody but an actual hive-mind is a collectivist. A simpler and more realistic boundary is that you you talk about apply policies actions to a collective, you are a collectivist.
YoungAchamian
10hr ago
theories of disparate impact which are very collectivist.
I don't disagree that disparate impact theories are collectivist but fighting a specific collectivism doesn't make you not a collectivist. The easy answer is you just want the collective to favor your theories instead of others.
"reshape society"
Idk, change policies, laws, culture so that certain theories are now fundamental to the fabric. If you think African Americans really are genetically less intelligent, and more prone to violence, do you really mean to tell me that the response to accepting that is: "Well thats neat but nothing should be done about it" or are there policy actions that people want to put in place in order to curtain all of that. There are clearly dissident right voices that want to use HDB for policy actions, the autistic folks just want it to be "this is truth, we should stop hiding it" but in a way they are being naive or useful idiots to the class of people who actually want to use those theories to change society. It's like Autistic Marxists being naive about what the hard core revolutionaries actually want to do to force a communist society.
YoungAchamian
10hr ago
Its socializing without putting effort into the space. If the point of the third space is just a place that you can show up, and requires nothing from you, no effort, just a lazy bum selfishly taking and providing nothing, then its no wonder all the spaces died. People justifying being a selfish taker socially is a major reason there are no third spaces.
YoungAchamian
10hr ago
To be clear I am not an AI bear of @ChickenOverlord's persuasion, I am an AI bull, but very cynical on the marketing hype. I think his opinion that they are useless for coding does not align with my opinion. But I do think the original goalpost that Mythos is not some super intelligence, first step to the singularity, type model has not been moved. Mythos is a SOTA tool like other SOTA tools.
The amount of steering it needs is still totally speculative.
Absolutely, but reasoning by abduction points it to being worse than the marketing would suggest.
I understand the distinction might be too subtle to notice.
No need to get snarky. Pretend for a moment that I am very good at noticing. Consider that the modal alt-rightist wants all the progressive gibs but for white people, thats pretty collectivist by any definition
Anytime a political creed starts with "and this [group of people by an attribute] needs to have xyz done to them or given to them", then boom you are in the collectivist category. Pretty easy boundary line.
EDIT: I remembered a couple more examples: Dread Jim is part of the right, he and similar birds of the feather are pro-men/anti-women collectivists. They wants spoils and policy benefits that benefit men as a class and hurt women as a class. We have several people here on the motte that are in this camp. This is right-wing. Classic collectivism.
We have our resident joo-posters/neo-nazis, again would be classified as rightwing. They are clearly anti-jewish/Pro-white collectivists. They in particularly want gibs towards white people much like the progs do.
YoungAchamian
19hr ago
I'll make a note to ping you specifically when it comes up again. HBD is boring to me, so there's no friction to make me remember this incidences and the search bar is functionally useless.
EDIT: I think we had a recent, past year?? flameout by some black dude with examples about all the nasty shit HBDers say about black people with links.
YoungAchamian
20hr ago
AI researcher was a skilled profession 15 years ago
Lmao, AI research was an extremely niche profession 15 years ago. AlexNet came out in 2012 and pioneered deep learning which lead to transformers/LLMs. The only people who were AI researchers were college professors and the occasional industry researcher. You had a number of folks doing data science/ML engineering but it was pretty much just a sub-domain of statistics as thats what boosting/SVMs/Random Forests are.
YoungAchamian
20hr ago
nothing about collectivism
We must witnessing very different applications if you think the average HBD poster is making comments about African-Americans being more violent and lower IQ on an individual level. And not by definition on a collective level. There's a fig leaf towards it being an distribution and obviously not every individual. Followed up by here's my 10 step plan to reshape society so that AAs collectively have reduced social impact, freedom, rights, and political power.
HBD is a belief about an is, not an ought
Only in the most theoretical autistic form. If the belief is that certain populations underperform along ethnic lines and have increases in certain undesirable traits. The follow on is almost always policy actions to reshape society around that theory. That's an "ought" not an "is"
YoungAchamian
20hr ago
I mean maybe if Republicans gave up on Abortion, Gay Rights/Marriage/LGB, and Donald Trump, then yeah. But I wouldn't hold my breath. And if you think marriage and children is a conservative pipeline, then I have a bridge to sell you in the Sahara. I know more Prog-Commies with kids or trying for kids than I know conservative men with kids. Turns out that conservative male politics outside of a religious community makes you unmarriageable to most normie women.
default preferences of college aged women
Square this fact with the Republican modal beliefs on women and tell me how they converge in the slightest.
YoungAchamian
22hr ago
In my conception of effort, the effort required is not the people showing up to trivia, its the organizer. The one who gets the questions every week, contacts restaurants and bars for hosting, markets the event, etc. Regulars are great and you can't have a reliable third space without them, but if that organizer did not organize it, there would be no event. And if enough organizers in the local area don't organize it, there is no local trivia community.
YoungAchamian
23hr ago
Do you not feel like the goal posts are shifting here?
The original claim Anthropic made was that Mythos could do all of this independently. That it didn't need a highly experienced security researcher guiding it. In fact that the reason it was so dangerous is because any lay-person could use Mythos to "hack the planet" It's not goal post shifting to point out, no Mythos is just a SOTA tool and like most SOTA AI tools it works better by having an experienced human guiding it on what to code, look for, design the system etc. The AI ecosystem is very hype oriented, people claim far more than what is realistically delivered.
YoungAchamian
1d ago
A fair assumption, my b for not being more clear.
Sorta, if your goal is to just show up at the bowling alley or bar and not provide anything, the "socially acceptable loitering" I don't think you can complain when the space shuts down because it ran out of business by having too many free loaders. You don't need to be a try-hard at drinking or bowling but you should pay for a lane, buy a few drinks to nurse, and contribute to the community. In my specific case, it's "nominally" a board game hobbyist group but its more of a social space. We do a lot of non-board game things, social events, dinners, etc. But there are people that contribute to the community/space in the form of hosting/planning events, bringing supplies, food, and there are people that just show up, give no effort other than their presence. A community/space cannot survive with a too large majority of the latter.
I'd struggle to think of any hobbyist group that is not some form of third space. The simple law of reality is that in order for something to exist, someone needs to make it exist. And that requires effort. Legislating a third space into existence does nothing. Someone needs to actually go organize the community garden, the local pub, the dance hall. And if they get hit by a bus, and the third space falls apart? Well then someone else needs to step up and do the work.
Yeah I wish... I might just be a midwit but I found ECE to be particularly difficult and laborious, and occasionally very abstract. I deliberately switched out of the CompE side of the major because the PCB/ASIC design courses were required and had horrible(deserved) reputations. A major component of it was that the department prided itself on "no grade inflation" and having lots of smart research professors. This translates into most courses being graded on actual curves in that 50% of the class fails regardless of absolute score, and the lectures being completely pointless to attend (but losing points for non-attendance in a way that could only hurt you). Most learning was done in TA study halls, Professor office hours, and at home. It was essentially learn this by yourself and we'll grade you, oh and learn it better than your classmates.
I remember the average on an intro linear circuits exam (the Thevenin's equivalence topic area) being something like a 28% I had been chatting with the professor and she pretty much admitted they had went a bit overzealous with that one and actually felt bad.
It was a slog, and still to this day I feel like I suck at math.
YoungAchamian
1d ago
Having interacted with actual sorority girls in the last decade, even in my flyover midwest state school, yeah no. I wouldn't call them dyed in the wool progressives but thinking they are reliable GOP votes is equally fantastical. Obviously we didn't do a lot of political talking but my recollection is that most of them had normie feminist politics, with a splash of family oriented-ness and occasionally some cultural christianity
They want third spaces to exist, but they don't want to start them or put the required effort into them to make them flourish. Most people are just free riders that want the benefits. I run a local board game meetup and trying to get people to do anything more than show up (and even then) is very hard.
YoungAchamian
1d ago
I've yet to see a self taught competent electrical engineer who didn't either get a college degree or be a rare prodigy. Good luck teaching yourself matrix math, complex variables, calculus, circuit theory and laplace analysis on the job.
I can second that, EE was a massive PITA. The math was hard, the courses were unforgiving, and the amount of time it required for lab classes was too much. For my ASIC design labs you had to spend 14 hours in the open lab prior to the actual lab so you could finish the actual lab in the 3 hours provided. I recently amused myself by seeing some mass-market "cool special math" book on a friends coffee table, opening it and realizing it was just complex numbers + euler. What a throwback.
YoungAchamian
1d ago
The "right" often speaks the language of individualism, especially around markets, speech, guns, taxation, and personal responsibility. But for other topics like nation, religion, family, sexuality, immigration, crime, and cultural loyalty, its pretty damn collectivist. Realistically the "right" is multiple divergent camps, some are individualist, others are far more collectivist. Do you really want to tell me that the average HBD believers, Alt right, and dissident rightists are in any form individualists?
YoungAchamian
1d ago
I think you are running into an Activist vs Lay-folk difference. I'll grant that the Trans-movement as a disproportionate number of activists. The awkward people trying to live their lives are the lay-folk, the hellbent weirdos are the activists. What you are noticing is my theory that activists are essentially always "on" there is always a war to be fought, every space needs to be "decolonized from cis-heteronormative oppression". And when you are out in the sticks, to them this is the battlefield, sticks are generally more conservative, more "heteronormative". So like guerilla warriors they raid the commons. Trans-folk in big blue cities aren't behind enemy lines.
This is all from personal anecdotes because I used to live in a big blue city and now I live in a small purple city surrounded by red-sticksvilles. So sometime I encounter trans-activists, sometimes I encounter trans-folk. The activists are almost always from sticksvilles any they can't turn it off. It makes them very unpleasant to be around.
YoungAchamian
2d ago
As YA
Thanks, I hate this abbreviation... It reads as Young Adult in my head, as in Young Adult fiction. A terribly bad and cliche genre.
YoungAchamian
3d ago
I'm a millennial and I do this. I'm also not a normie like the downstream poster suggested. They have different definitions and I think they come from the online dating app culture.
Exclusive: We are dating and agreeing not to see other people but we aren't official or investing heavily into each other.
Girlfriend/Boyfriend: We are dating exclusively, officially out to all our friends, and investing in each other and our relationship
Marriage: We are legally bound together and expect to stay together for the rest of our lives barring some unforeseen problem (and even then)
Basically a GF/BF represents a level of commitment higher than someone you are just exclusively dating. At least my expectation, is that hitting a rough patch with a GF/BF means you'll at least discuss it/try to work it out before someone decides to cut and run. If we are just exclusive then that sort of flighty/ghosty behavior is more in the realm of possibility.
YoungAchamian
3d ago
That's not what my feed has been showing me, the algo slop has been pretty direct in pointing out polling suggesing that Gallrein's major support came from 65+ year old's. Unfortunately Twitter posts never cite their sources so idk if I am being taken in via slop or not.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
The filtering sucks deliberately, that's one of the things they try to get you to pay for, upgrades to filter and wider ranges/efficiencies of filters.
No apps moderate bad behavior of the women or men. That alone would improve any app but its a feast or famine problem. In order to get more network you need more users, that includes prolific daters who are defectors. Banning defectors is good once you have enough of a network to do so but is counterproductive when you don't.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
But anger at this is either just TDS or weird edge case rules lawyering. People are "ok"* with the former ways of taking bribes so outrage over this new and improved way of taking a bribe (that is in some ways far more visible) is just special pleading
*: People are ok with it in that they accept that its a common practice, they might dislike it but because its accepted practice they aren't outraged by it. Having arbitrary rules on how a bribe can be taken is just that: arbitrary.
Are trivia organizers compensated? It's not clear to me if they are or not. It's definitely not a full time gig. But yes its a lot of work, welcome to why third spaces don't exist.
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