ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
Maybe it was the weather, but that night I found her very alluring.
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ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
11hr ago
There's some nitpicking to be done here, for example, maybe the patients already needed mental health treatment and just found out they needed it at the same time as they found out they're transgender, or that just seeing a mental health professional regularly doesn't necessarily mean that your mental health is worse than it used to be.
The problem is we were told for years and years and years that any mental health issue or depression a trans person (and all LGBTs by extension) was facing can be squarely pinned on "minority stress". In other words, the majority should un-bigot themselves and stop punishing victimless acts. Fair enough. But the expectations departed from "stop commenting or interfering in people's personal lives" and segued to "how dare you not care, do you know silence is VIOLENCE, indifference is p-word" (the p-word being privilege, original sin of woke morality). I am a straight man, not religious, I don't care if a man I'll never meet marries another man. But the thought of a man sticking his hairy dick inside another man's hairy poop-chute is just a disgusting fetish to me, even if I'm polite enough to not say it out loud. I also believe sex and gender are the same thing, edge cases notwithstanding. I believe all transgenders are mentally ill and their delusions are encouraged only by algorithm, but I'm polite enough to keep that bit to myself. I don't really care if an adult man chooses to mutilate his own genitals, even if suicide was a 100% guaranteed outcome of transitioning.
But I absolutely do not want any kind of LGBT education in schools. I'll go further, if I could reliably diagnose an "LGBT marker" in my unborn child, I would want to abort it.
If you agree about the possibility of social contagion, you should try to minimize the attention trans people receive, yet anti-trans activists have been the main publicists of transness for about a decade now
Please, let's not make this a decibel contest. There are no objective metrics or units of measurement to quantify which side is "louder and more annoying", even if I should agree to points being awarded for silence. Now who you find louder is heavily filtered by:
- where you spend your time online and IRL
- what your algorithms push
- who legacy media, academia, corporations and government tilt in favour of
- good ole selection bias (you notice and remember what offends you most)
Every tribe experiences the other side as overwhelmingly loud and aggressive while viewing their own side as reasonable pushback. Look how DEI threads go in Star Wars and gaming forums. When you point out "why should Luke Skywalker and his bloodline be sacrificial lamb to uplift no-name girbloss", you get responses like "ugh every single time... dude why do you care? Stop making everything political!" from the other side, after they succeeded in having their way after years of complaining and outraging, the things they accuse you of. But it's always a cope deployed when the previously dominant narrative starts facing serious resistance. In any hotly contested issue, both sides amplify what serves them. The side with institutional capture tends to be louder in legacy channels. The dissident side tends to be louder and cruder where it actually has open space. I'll be more honest though. I am super anti-woke, I'm well aware many anti-wokes engage in behaviour I'd find insufferable were it directed at me. But I don't care, because I still agree with their objectives and heavily dislike woketopia.
How do you expect me to not pay attention and also put on performative enthusiasm for pride parades and pride month every year? If your sexual preferences and gender identity should not matter, why can't I just ignore you? If they should matter, why should I not get upset about pinkwashing legacy straight-male oriented media? I am fine with you living your life as you please, but why do I have to celebrate your perceived identity and fetishes? Why are you looking around the room to see who stops clapping first? Why are you expecting me to watch Brokeback Mountain as a media literacy test? Because it's cinematically artful? The raw emotional acting? Or because it's an important progressive conversation? To me, it's just Oscar bait gayslop. I'd rather watch a poor man's Fast & Furious for 12 hours. Everyone gets aggressive if you breach their red lines.
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
4d ago
I think you are identifying something real but then constructing an almost mythological explanation for it. I understand and empathise with your feelings, but you're weakmanning your own argument by implying western civilisation has consciously betrayed young men. That framing gives too much agency to actors and too much coherence to the so-called process. Nobody sat down in 1975 and devised a fifty-year plan to make men lonely, childless, credentialed, and politically disengaged.
The more likely (and unsettling) explanation is that no betrayal was necessary! Imagine a society whose institutions are individually adapting for perfectly reasonable goals. But there will be tradeoffs. A civilisation formed around family formation would make different tradeoffs. A civilisation organised around national greatness would make different tradeoffs. A civilisation organised around religious mission would make different tradeoffs. A civilisation organised around maximising its GDP makes different tradeoffs. But that doesn't mean anyone explicitly wanted to produce these outcomes.
Employers want more educated workers, labour flexibility and risk reduction. So educational requirements rise, workers become geographically mobile, and degrees become screening tests. Cities want higher productivity, so economic activity is packed inside a handful of expensive metropolitan areas. Investors want assets to appreciate indefinitely, so housing becomes increasingly unaffordable. Governments want social stability, so human behaviour is policed and monitored. Corporations want consumers, so identity is increasingly expressed through consumption rather than family formation. None of these "actors" need to hate or even think about young men or any single individual. They're just enormous systems constantly working to preserve themselves.
And they don't want young men to die glorious deaths in imperial wars, settle frontiers, found dynasties, build cathedrals, or raise large families. Instead, we need to upskill, network, garnish resumes, maintain employability, and keep the annual reports sexy. And that feels infinitely sterile in comparison.
When they work, the tax burden is immense; more and more money goes to foreigners, single women, and the old.
Okay, but do you think reversing the welfare state would leave any significant policy impacts segueing to the kind of outcomes you'd want to see?
Inertia is extremely durable. And capital likes inertia. It does not have a face, it does not have a roundtable of anime villains rubbing hands and plotting global domination at Evil Inc. Elon Musk can suffer a seizure and die on live camera, President Donny can get assassinated, Putin can get mauled by a bear, and Xi Jinping can get imprisoned on the same day, but capital stops for no one. Come Monday, it's just another headline.
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
6d ago
Charitably, they genuinely believe youth is wasted on the young, but by guiding them to make better decisions, we could protect them from a lot of harm, keep them from bad choice road and help them develop healthy sexual boundaries (I suspect, around Christian morality). I would place @ThomasdelVasto in this category.
But for a lot of modern adults (many, many millennials), it's really a toxic cocktail of envy, control, and arrested development dressed up as compassion. They peaked in college, regret their own impulsive sexual decisions, and now project their failure onto the next generation. "If only someone had stopped me at 19..." becomes "No one should be allowed agency until they're as risk-averse as I am." Extending legal childhood keeps the fantasy alive that youth is this pure, fragile thing that must be bubble-wrapped, and their trauma could be pinned on an uncaring society that abandoned them when it should've protected them. The alternative is to take accountability, which is never comfortable.
We don't need to speculate how people would turn out in such a culture, just look at East and South Asian parenting and what kind of adults they produce, especially the men.
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
6d ago
Allow me to namedrop Jack, there's a scene (non-sexual) between a grown, naked woman and a 12yo boy. And this was in 2014.
I don't believe in "both side-ism" but "both sides" do sometimes get in bed to package their insecurities in moral policing. Religious puritans (who probably feel guilty for watching porn) and woke feminists (probably dealing with body image issues) lose their minds seeing female nudity on screen. Think about the kids (which is beginning to include legal adults), keep the predators at bay!
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
8d ago
Deal reached to end Iran war
Details of the deal are not publicly available right now. However, Trump has authorised an end to the US naval blockade, and Iran has agreed to reopen the Strait.
Not surprisingly though, Israel continues to bomb Lebanon and refuses to cede lands seized in southern Lebanon.
But MORE surprisingly, Trump actually reprimanded Bibi.
Trump has pressed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to stop hitting Lebanon hard while a deal is near, but the prime minister has defied him. Trump told Fox News he had asked Netanyahu what he was doing, using an expletive. "What the f*** are you doing?" Trump says he told Netanyahu. Trump described the attack on northern Israel as "very small and meaningless, nobody was hurt, injured, or killed, and should not disrupt this important process".
Iran wants a ceasefire deal to include the fighting in Lebanon. It’s unclear whether that would mean Israeli forces' withdrawal and when. Most of Hezbollah's attacks in recent weeks have targeted Israeli troops inside Lebanon.
"A strong response is coming," said Ebrahim Azizi, who heads the Iranian parliament’s national security commission and is close to top leaders.
And Iran’s parliamentary Speaker Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf, a lead negotiator for Tehran, warned the US on X after Israel's strikes that "if you lack the will and ability to fulfill your commitments, speaking of continuing the path is not possible".
The deal does not solve the thorniest issues between the US and Iran, including Iran’s nuclear program or its billions of dollars in frozen funds, but offers a 60-day framework for technical discussions on those issues, according to Pakistani and regional officials familiar with the ongoing negotiations. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
Under the deal being discussed, US and Israel appear to have fallen short of their original goals of destroying Iran’s missile and nuclear programs and ending its support for armed proxies in the region. It is not clear how the deal will address these issues, or if they will be part of the final agreement.
Critics in Trump’s Republican Party, struggling with an unpopular war ahead of the midterm elections, have criticised the emerging deal. Some said it did not improve on the terms of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal that Trump withdrew the US from during his first term and which he still describes as "bad".
So it seems we were lucky to return to the pre-war status quo, even Trump had to tepidly admit that he bit off more than he can chew and Iran's regional dominance is not going anywhere.
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
10d ago
Important point! And I've seen such cases personally, where the parents had to feel "fortunate" if they outlive their disabled child. I'll never be happy about an abortion, but sometimes you only have bad choices.
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Ze Strider
10d ago
I can live a perfectly functional life even if I don’t get that promotion. The same is not true when it comes to raising a child with special needs.
Siblings of a Down syndrome child will also be affected. They receive less parental attention, are forced to grow up faster than their peers, and carry heavier emotional burdens for years. The costs are not trivial.
The analogy reads like backwards reasoning. You believe all abortion is murder, so you retroactively justify keeping the downs baby despite the trade-offs for the child and the rest of the family.
I realize that saying 2. automatically places me in the Leftist Shill category, and I don’t like that the discourse is so poisoned.
The discourse is never gonna recover. Public figures actively fanned the flames of BLM 2020, to the point where UK had people protesting in the streets cuz George Floyd GOT GOT thousands of miles and an ocean away. Same crowd, last year: Netflix's Adolescence. Leftist public figures engineered genuine hysteria over a fictional 13yo boy who fictionally murdered his fictional female classmate after fictionally listening to "Andrew Tate". They used this fictional morality tale to lecture and pathologise actual young boys as dangerous little beasts who needed to be muzzled and re-educated.
And when challenged, the so-called documentary kept circling back to these made up names. Funny how the “real story” it was supposedly based on never seemed to appear.
I’m in favour of calling for calm on principle, but leftist figures have burned through every last scrap of credibility here.
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Ze Strider
14d ago
I suspect it is similar with Rihanna's "We Found Love". Yes, it is about drugs and a toxic relationship full of passion and risk. But mainstream EDM peaked with that track, that is why it's still popular.
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Ze Strider
15d ago
It is not unusual for escorts in NZ to work full-time corporate day-jobs, because if you wish to buy a house in this economy, it just makes sense to put a price tag on the goods your genetics so generously gifted you with. And the number of johns willing to cough up their entire week's paycheck for a couple hours of your negotiable affection is not insignificant. Welcome to capitalism, baby!
I can't imagine how people who actually bust their asses in physical labor and make less than me feel!
Wouldn't sex work count as physical labour? Also, electricians make bank in NZ. Their wages are only gonna go up as population ages and the pool of able-bodied young men busting their asses in physical labour starts shrinking.
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Ze Strider
16d ago
I am reminded of this man born to a family with dwarfism. Both his biological parents and siblings have it, but he was a normal, healthy child and grew to be 6ft tall, and according to a DNA test he took, his future kids will probably be normal as well. But growing up as the youngest child in a family environment like that wouldn't have been easy. You'll have to accept early on you'll have a shorter childhood and grow up quickly, because parenting a child with special care needs is extremely stressful, requires heaps of attention, and more often than not results in the breakdown of relationships.
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Ze Strider
16d ago
I can’t imagine traveling hundreds of miles for the sole purpose of killing my own child. The thought has me physically sick. I also wouldn’t want to spend the rest of my life babysitting my infertile dead-end offspring.
In that case, it would be a mercy kill, no? Fate (or genetics) has already decided their odds of having a normal life. So many core human experiences might become unavailable to them because of their condition. I'd definitely travel hundreds of miles to end it before they develop awareness. The earlier, the better. Yes, I would hate myself for it but I can't make them live a half-life.
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
19d ago
Just adding my 2c, without necessarily disagreeing with you.
The George Floyd saga has permanently warped how people process crimes along racial lines, even if racial motives are marginal or non-existent in the actual facts of a case, both sides now instinctively torture the evidence to cram it into their preferred meta-narrative. The right has been hunting for its own George Floyd (a galvanising martyrdom moment) ever since 2020 to mobilise society against the liberal scolds and their holy cows, who have been hectoring an entire generation of young white men with moral screeds about racism and sexism since childhood, and permanently demolish Floyd's status as a modern day saint.
But there is crucial context that most analysts tend to overlook, BLM 2020 was a 3-standard deviation phenomenon. The scale of the explosion had less to do with the specifics of Floyd’s death or even the popular narrative (unarmed black man murdered by racist white cop) and far more to do with the timing. It detonated in the middle of the COVID lockdowns, when mass boredom, economic despair, social atomisation, and psychological fragility had already pushed people to extremism. Those conditions created ideal kindling for nationwide (and global) hysteria. The racial angle provided the perfect pretext for the rioters to engage in violent acts with total impunity (because only a racist would criticise the so-called resistance). This was also the time when Andrew Tate became the most googled guy. We’re unlikely to see anything on that scale ever again, including from BLM itself. 6 years on, it seems even the kids are joking about it.
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Ze Strider
19d ago
UK, Australia and NZ did not historically filter as well as the US. In NZ and Oz, it's typically rural Punjabis who apply for the cheapest course they could find that's eligible for a student visa, drop out mid-course, and do some shady stuff to get on a work visa. There's been many incidences of Indian owned restaurants in NZ underpaying other Indian migrant workers.
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Ze Strider
19d ago
I believe so, yes. A Tamil Brahmin and a Kashmiri Brahmin and a Gujarati Brahmin are completely different groups. You can't even reliably tell which is which via physiognomy either. It's perfectly possible for one Tamil Brahmin to be 5 shades darker than an Ethiopian, and another to pass for a White guy, even if they're from the same town. The US typically gets this cohort.
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Ze Strider
20d ago
The crux of the matter is incentive and who stands to gain from any given scandal, be it by fanning the flames or dousing them. The actual substance of Trump's many scandals (Epstein, Iran, tariffs, etc.) is ancillary. The real engine is tribal, he makes the libs cry, and his base derives visceral satisfaction from watching the spectacle. And by clearing him of objective moral failures, they can keep a functional weapon so he can keep triggering the libs, who won't be triggered any less if those scandals did not exist (quite the contrary, perhaps).
Also, remember Johnny Depp? What kicked off as a messy celebrity divorce became a proxy war against MeToo. Depp is a lib himself, yet celebrity support for him was noticeably tepid because backing him meant siding, even indirectly, against the feminist narrative. Meanwhile, Amber Heard still has a vocal defense squad in online feminist spaces precisely because the case became symbolic ammo for the other side. The actual veracity of the verdict is not very important, it’s just a flag to be defended at all costs.
Now coming to Epstein and Graham Platner. There is zero upside in defending Epstein or even questioning the popular narrative. And Platner isn’t some irreplaceable leftist icon. Nobody scores tribal points by batting for either of them. When there’s no political or status reward for skepticism, the default is to let the mob run rampant.
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Ze Strider
20d ago
My predator fatigue is through the roof. It's obviously a moral theatre. That word has been stretched so far beyond recognition that any hint of sexual sleaziness or bad judgment now gets tortured into full blown predator status. Kik has ~300 million registered users, with roughly 40% reportedly teenagers. Are we supposed to believe then that the remaining 180 million adults are all predators? Labeling the app a "predator paradise" while simply noting that someone used it is a very skeevy rhetorical trick. The insinuation is that he may have personally solicited minors or traded child pornography. If they had anything concrete, they would have led with it. They didn’t. It's particularly ironic watching right-wingers enthusiastically adopt leftist MeToo language and tactics as a political weapon repurposed for their own gotchas. Over the years, I’ve grown increasingly uncharitable towards people rushing to bat for alleged victims online. I don't think most of them are genuinely motivated by protecting victims, any more than those pred catcher YouTubers earnestly wish to protect children. Predators (or anyone successfully labeled as such) are just perfect socially acceptable punching bags, a shared enemy you can attack with total impunity to boost your own status, knowing virtually no one will dare defend them.
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Ze Strider
25d ago
Yeah that was truly one of the most... unique tweets I've bookmarked and I keep coming back to it. I think he did hit on something big on the mental repercussions of male puberty, but there's a level of self-awareness in his nihilism that I find fascinating. His entire tweet history (monologuing about the "low value male" lifepath) reads like someone who stared into the abyss and liked what he saw.
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
25d ago
But look at the divorce rates in the developed world, once freed of all constraints of feudal society, and when operating purely on love and personal compatibility, half of all marriages do not last "till death do us part". So many dead bedrooms and married couples with kids falling out of love.
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Ze Strider
25d ago
For all the talk about women "hitting the wall", it seems quite evident to me the average male has an even limiting shelf-life, if even that. Online is full of guys who never recovered from their loss of childhood social value. The older I get, the more I've come to believe that humans are only mostly monogamous, or rather "serially monogamous". In the absence of monogamous social constraints, the "low value males" (real or perceived) slip to the wayside and struggle to recover. This movie seems to capture that psychology (mostly) accurately.
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Ze Strider
26d ago
The emotional harm of active, forceful penetration is not analogous to values based emotional injury from regretted but consensual sex, even if both can be painful. And that sounds like a strawman of my reasoning. Forcible rape causes harm through both physical violation and emotional trauma. But the physical component (the overpowering and loss of bodily autonomy through force) is not optional or purely values-dependent. Values matter. Emotions matter. But they don't make every negative feeling equivalent to violent assault.
ZeStriderOfDunedain
Ze Strider
26d ago
Your personal values and what the law permits don’t necessarily align, and laws naturally shift as social structures change. Feudal societies heavily discouraged sex before (or outside) marriage largely to guarantee paternity and stable households. Post-sexual revolution and a working female population, most of these risks are now ameliorated. That said, the thrust of my point is the specifc kind of rape trauma a female victim would go through doesn't match the facts you described, nor do most cases of female-teacher-fucks-male-student. And at 16, you could've probably easily overpowered her if she tried to force herself on you.
how you’re part of a conspiracy
Maybe I wasn't making my point clear. Yes, many incels do spend too much time inside their heads and spiral into neurosis and paranoia. But the visceral hatred I was describing from other similarly maladjusted groups (like the antinatalists and Ryan Gosling bros) usually kicks in long before that point, precisely when the mirror gets held up without the ideological coping mechanisms. Their "raw honesty" is that they're unhappy and insecure because of their low social/sexual status, not because the sky is falling and fascism is on the rise™, it's an unflattering mirror to the Ryan Goslings' and ANTIFAs' own lived experiences (the Gosling larpers are just reddit approved incels with a glorified martyr complex), that if their own lives looked like a John Hughes' movie, they wouldn't be in those spaces to begin with. They've probably silently felt at lease some of the things the incels speak of online, but don't feel comfortable to confront those feelings and question their socially approved priors.
Side note: I'd recommend checking out /r/DebateIncelz to really understand the incel perspective in a somewhat neutral and sane environment without the usual caricatures coming out of .is. The problem is these guys don't articulate their experiences without chimping out on unmoderated spaces, that doesn't make those experiences not true (from their pov at least).
Edited some sentences.
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Ze Strider
27d ago
Thanks for the rec. Yeah, I suspect a big part of why incels are so viscerally hated by other similarly maladjusted groups (transgenders, ANTIFA, /r/okbuddyliterallyme) is that they serve as an ugly, unfiltered mirror to their own insecurities and resentment over social/sexual rejection, but without dressing it up with pseudo-intellectual scaffolding or progressive moral language. Ironically, even when they larp as world-saving radicals online, they still submit to reddit leftist taboos for updoots (social acceptance). On the other hand, incels just say the quiet part out loud. That raw honesty makes them intolerable.
Welp, the incel hysterics can go to sleep satiated. He's a more competent wordcel than Elliot Rodger, as in he reasoned himself into his conclusions (and the shooting) with less vitriol and more verbiosity to fit neatly into the motte. We had a meta-level thread on the reporting variations depending on the perpetrator. Essentially, when the perpetrator is revealed to be an incel (ideological) or any type of right-wing-adjacent, we must treat their alleged behaviours as deterministic, self-evident and an ideologically settled case. But when you prune the actual numbers, even Ross Kemp is confounded.
I don't know the context of this, not having read the manifesto myself, but since rap is considered a marker for celebrating black culture, could he be a fellow chud following all those KiA threads?
Definitely within the motte overton window, and I've seen the "redistribute the pussy" flavour of communism takes elsewhere too.
But capital reigns supreme. Capital is extremely conservative about predictability, any whiff of insurgency will be squashed immediately because capital cannot accumulate where chaos is ambient.
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