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Ze Strider
Maybe it was the weather, but that night I found her very alluring.
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I can live a perfectly functional life even if I don’t get that promotion. The same is not true when it comes to raising a child with special needs.
Siblings of a Down syndrome child will also be affected. They receive less parental attention, are forced to grow up faster than their peers, and carry heavier emotional burdens for years. The costs are not trivial.
The analogy reads like backwards reasoning. You believe all abortion is murder, so you retroactively justify keeping the downs baby despite the trade-offs for the child and the rest of the family.
I realize that saying 2. automatically places me in the Leftist Shill category, and I don’t like that the discourse is so poisoned.
The discourse is never gonna recover. Public figures actively fanned the flames of BLM 2020, to the point where UK had people protesting in the streets cuz George Floyd GOT GOT thousands of miles and an ocean away. Same crowd, last year: Netflix's Adolescence. Leftist public figures engineered genuine hysteria over a fictional 13yo boy who fictionally murdered his fictional female classmate after fictionally listening to "Andrew Tate". They used this fictional morality tale to lecture and pathologise actual young boys as dangerous little beasts who needed to be muzzled and re-educated.
And when challenged, the so-called documentary kept circling back to these made up names. Funny how the “real story” it was supposedly based on never seemed to appear.
I’m in favour of calling for calm on principle, but leftist figures have burned through every last scrap of credibility here.
I suspect it is similar with Rihanna's "We Found Love". Yes, it is about drugs and a toxic relationship full of passion and risk. But mainstream EDM peaked with that track, that is why it's still popular.
It is not unusual for escorts in NZ to work full-time corporate day-jobs, because if you wish to buy a house in this economy, it just makes sense to put a price tag on the goods your genetics so generously gifted you with. And the number of johns willing to cough up their entire week's paycheck for a couple hours of your negotiable affection is not insignificant. Welcome to capitalism, baby!
I can't imagine how people who actually bust their asses in physical labor and make less than me feel!
Wouldn't sex work count as physical labour? Also, electricians make bank in NZ. Their wages are only gonna go up as population ages and the pool of able-bodied young men busting their asses in physical labour starts shrinking.
I am reminded of this man born to a family with dwarfism. Both his biological parents and siblings have it, but he was a normal, healthy child and grew to be 6ft tall, and according to a DNA test he took, his future kids will probably be normal as well. But growing up as the youngest child in a family environment like that wouldn't have been easy. You'll have to accept early on you'll have a shorter childhood and grow up quickly, because parenting a child with special care needs is extremely stressful, requires heaps of attention, and more often than not results in the breakdown of relationships.
I can’t imagine traveling hundreds of miles for the sole purpose of killing my own child. The thought has me physically sick. I also wouldn’t want to spend the rest of my life babysitting my infertile dead-end offspring.
In that case, it would be a mercy kill, no? Fate (or genetics) has already decided their odds of having a normal life. So many core human experiences might become unavailable to them because of their condition. I'd definitely travel hundreds of miles to end it before they develop awareness. The earlier, the better. Yes, I would hate myself for it but I can't make them live a half-life.
Just adding my 2c, without necessarily disagreeing with you.
The George Floyd saga has permanently warped how people process crimes along racial lines, even if racial motives are marginal or non-existent in the actual facts of a case, both sides now instinctively torture the evidence to cram it into their preferred meta-narrative. The right has been hunting for its own George Floyd (a galvanising martyrdom moment) ever since 2020 to mobilise society against the liberal scolds and their holy cows, who have been hectoring an entire generation of young white men with moral screeds about racism and sexism since childhood, and permanently demolish Floyd's status as a modern day saint.
But there is crucial context that most analysts tend to overlook, BLM 2020 was a 3-standard deviation phenomenon. The scale of the explosion had less to do with the specifics of Floyd’s death or even the popular narrative (unarmed black man murdered by racist white cop) and far more to do with the timing. It detonated in the middle of the COVID lockdowns, when mass boredom, economic despair, social atomisation, and psychological fragility had already pushed people to extremism. Those conditions created ideal kindling for nationwide (and global) hysteria. The racial angle provided the perfect pretext for the rioters to engage in violent acts with total impunity (because only a racist would criticise the so-called resistance). This was also the time when Andrew Tate became the most googled guy. We’re unlikely to see anything on that scale ever again, including from BLM itself. 6 years on, it seems even the kids are joking about it.
UK, Australia and NZ did not historically filter as well as the US. In NZ and Oz, it's typically rural Punjabis who apply for the cheapest course they could find that's eligible for a student visa, drop out mid-course, and do some shady stuff to get on a work visa. There's been many incidences of Indian owned restaurants in NZ underpaying other Indian migrant workers.
I believe so, yes. A Tamil Brahmin and a Kashmiri Brahmin and a Gujarati Brahmin are completely different groups. You can't even reliably tell which is which via physiognomy either. It's perfectly possible for one Tamil Brahmin to be 5 shades darker than an Ethiopian, and another to pass for a White guy, even if they're from the same town. The US typically gets this cohort.
The crux of the matter is incentive and who stands to gain from any given scandal, be it by fanning the flames or dousing them. The actual substance of Trump's many scandals (Epstein, Iran, tariffs, etc.) is ancillary. The real engine is tribal, he makes the libs cry, and his base derives visceral satisfaction from watching the spectacle. And by clearing him of objective moral failures, they can keep a functional weapon so he can keep triggering the libs, who won't be triggered any less if those scandals did not exist (quite the contrary, perhaps).
Also, remember Johnny Depp? What kicked off as a messy celebrity divorce became a proxy war against MeToo. Depp is a lib himself, yet celebrity support for him was noticeably tepid because backing him meant siding, even indirectly, against the feminist narrative. Meanwhile, Amber Heard still has a vocal defense squad in online feminist spaces precisely because the case became symbolic ammo for the other side. The actual veracity of the verdict is not very important, it’s just a flag to be defended at all costs.
Now coming to Epstein and Graham Platner. There is zero upside in defending Epstein or even questioning the popular narrative. And Platner isn’t some irreplaceable leftist icon. Nobody scores tribal points by batting for either of them. When there’s no political or status reward for skepticism, the default is to let the mob run rampant.
My predator fatigue is through the roof. It's obviously a moral theatre. That word has been stretched so far beyond recognition that any hint of sexual sleaziness or bad judgment now gets tortured into full blown predator status. Kik has ~300 million registered users, with roughly 40% reportedly teenagers. Are we supposed to believe then that the remaining 180 million adults are all predators? Labeling the app a "predator paradise" while simply noting that someone used it is a very skeevy rhetorical trick. The insinuation is that he may have personally solicited minors or traded child pornography. If they had anything concrete, they would have led with it. They didn’t. It's particularly ironic watching right-wingers enthusiastically adopt leftist MeToo language and tactics as a political weapon repurposed for their own gotchas. Over the years, I’ve grown increasingly uncharitable towards people rushing to bat for alleged victims online. I don't think most of them are genuinely motivated by protecting victims, any more than those pred catcher YouTubers earnestly wish to protect children. Predators (or anyone successfully labeled as such) are just perfect socially acceptable punching bags, a shared enemy you can attack with total impunity to boost your own status, knowing virtually no one will dare defend them.
Yeah that was truly one of the most... unique tweets I've bookmarked and I keep coming back to it. I think he did hit on something big on the mental repercussions of male puberty, but there's a level of self-awareness in his nihilism that I find fascinating. His entire tweet history (monologuing about the "low value male" lifepath) reads like someone who stared into the abyss and liked what he saw.
But look at the divorce rates in the developed world, once freed of all constraints of feudal society, and when operating purely on love and personal compatibility, half of all marriages do not last "till death do us part". So many dead bedrooms and married couples with kids falling out of love.
For all the talk about women "hitting the wall", it seems quite evident to me the average male has an even limiting shelf-life, if even that. Online is full of guys who never recovered from their loss of childhood social value. The older I get, the more I've come to believe that humans are only mostly monogamous, or rather "serially monogamous". In the absence of monogamous social constraints, the "low value males" (real or perceived) slip to the wayside and struggle to recover. This movie seems to capture that psychology (mostly) accurately.
The emotional harm of active, forceful penetration is not analogous to values based emotional injury from regretted but consensual sex, even if both can be painful. And that sounds like a strawman of my reasoning. Forcible rape causes harm through both physical violation and emotional trauma. But the physical component (the overpowering and loss of bodily autonomy through force) is not optional or purely values-dependent. Values matter. Emotions matter. But they don't make every negative feeling equivalent to violent assault.
Your personal values and what the law permits don’t necessarily align, and laws naturally shift as social structures change. Feudal societies heavily discouraged sex before (or outside) marriage largely to guarantee paternity and stable households. Post-sexual revolution and a working female population, most of these risks are now ameliorated. That said, the thrust of my point is the specifc kind of rape trauma a female victim would go through doesn't match the facts you described, nor do most cases of female-teacher-fucks-male-student. And at 16, you could've probably easily overpowered her if she tried to force herself on you.
how you’re part of a conspiracy
Maybe I wasn't making my point clear. Yes, many incels do spend too much time inside their heads and spiral into neurosis and paranoia. But the visceral hatred I was describing from other similarly maladjusted groups (like the antinatalists and Ryan Gosling bros) usually kicks in long before that point, precisely when the mirror gets held up without the ideological coping mechanisms. Their "raw honesty" is that they're unhappy and insecure because of their low social/sexual status, not because the sky is falling and fascism is on the rise™, it's an unflattering mirror to the Ryan Goslings' and ANTIFAs' own lived experiences (the Gosling larpers are just reddit approved incels with a glorified martyr complex), that if their own lives looked like a John Hughes' movie, they wouldn't be in those spaces to begin with. They've probably silently felt at lease some of the things the incels speak of online, but don't feel comfortable to confront those feelings and question their socially approved priors.
Side note: I'd recommend checking out /r/DebateIncelz to really understand the incel perspective in a somewhat neutral and sane environment without the usual caricatures coming out of .is. The problem is these guys don't articulate their experiences without chimping out on unmoderated spaces, that doesn't make those experiences not true (from their pov at least).
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Thanks for the rec. Yeah, I suspect a big part of why incels are so viscerally hated by other similarly maladjusted groups (transgenders, ANTIFA, /r/okbuddyliterallyme) is that they serve as an ugly, unfiltered mirror to their own insecurities and resentment over social/sexual rejection, but without dressing it up with pseudo-intellectual scaffolding or progressive moral language. Ironically, even when they larp as world-saving radicals online, they still submit to reddit leftist taboos for updoots (social acceptance). On the other hand, incels just say the quiet part out loud. That raw honesty makes them intolerable.
IMO it's a straightforward projection of female vulnerability, the fear of being overpowered and exploited by a stronger man, onto male children, whom they imagine as equally helpless. Americans would jump out of their seats if they saw this German film where, an adult woman, stark naked, shared a scene with her then 12yo male co-star, even though the on-screen relationship between their respective characters was presented as an inherently unhealthy one.
FWIW I wouldn't be thrilled if a grown woman made sexual advances on my 15yo brother or son if I had one. Now I don't think the physical consequences of that relationship would have any pronounced difference if the boy in question was 14 as opposed to 16 (age of consent in my country), if he personally enjoyed it. But age of consent laws exist for a reason, there is still the moral quandary of blurring healthy boundaries at a critical stage of development.
Jumping off topic, I think @FtttG is hitting on something big here:
I don’t think the antinatalists, for the most part, are people who could have children if they wanted to, but are electing not to for moral reasons. I believe they are mostly profoundly mentally disturbed people with whom no one would want to have children, and who have erected a towering edifice of convoluted reasoning wherein this deficiency in fact makes them morally superior to the “breeders” in their vicinity. Their worldview is ultimately the product of sour grapes.
A very astute and widely applicable observation that can extend to any ideology that calls for radical upending of current societal arrangements. Its adherents don't actually want that, not really. They really just want to play the game the way the winners do. So naturally, they gravitate towards an arrangement where they're the winners. No incel would favour overhauling current dating market dynamics if he magically transformed to chad.
I can respect that you have strong personal values around sex and relationships. But you're still describing a values violation and deep regret, not a clear physical assault. Feeling profoundly disgusted or used after a regretted encounter is real and common, but I highly doubt that you would've felt the degree of bodily violation, physical illness, and scathing hot showers to wash off her touch following that encounter, if you went through with it.
As a man, the closest analogue I can imagine to that level of visceral violation by a woman would be something like being pinned down by a morbidly obese landwhale with horrible breath, and having my dick forced to get hard inside her. This is precisely why most cultures throughout history — even highly patriarchal ones — have had no real concept of a female rapist. The evolutionary dynamics and physical consequences are simply not symmetrical.
I don't see the problem in the first comment. If you've been around online discourse long enough (let alone moderating), the writing mechanics of ideologically charged users become apparent to you, pointing that out a meta level pattern recognition is not a personal attack. And it's Darwin, that guy knew how to press your buttons, and just left after that comment. His last comment on his reddit account, as of me posting this was just 6 hours ago, so the man's peachy but still taking his sweet time getting to his queue.
That was a nice, succinct read however this one feels a bit incomplete (or could've been expanded on):
The ‘restoration’ discussed here is actually referring more to Origen’s belief that humans existed somehow outside the body before birth, and would be ‘restored’ to that state afterward. Not how most universalists use ‘restored’, to mean reconciled to God.
I will admit I'm not very familiar with Origen, but a cursory peep into his wikipedia says he explicitly rejected the doctrine of reincarnation. So what happens after a damned soul is restored to this pre-bodily state? Do they remain in that ghostly state forever, away from God's Kingdom and his saved children? If so, how is that better than Eternal Hellfire?
If I did believe in God, I would not be capable of believing in a supposedly benevolent deity who judges that any mortal, no matter how awful they were in one short mortal lifetime, could possibly deserve to be tortured for all of eternity. Especially if that could be a punishment not just for being evil, but simply for choosing the wrong religion.
I'm not particularly well versed on eastern faiths myself (nor am I religious), but how would you feel about a syncretic belief system that adopts a Buddhist/Hinduist style karmic and reincarnation doctrine? Setting aside the inherent fantastical elements, highly specific doctrines and very arbitrary sin criterias, how plausible or attractive would you find a system in which a deity offers an arrangement like this: you rejected the deity (or refused to affirm belief in him) but otherwise lived a morally good life by ordinary standards, so you receive a period in a lesser heaven or favourable intermediate state, after which you are returned to the cycle of rebirth in this world?
PS: I'm aware that both Buddhism and Hinduism encompass a wide array of radically different sects, schools, and interpretations, and I'm not asking you if you're attracted to either, only how you'd feel about the karmic/rebirth arrangement if it was true.
They puport to have found a smoking gun that proves the NYT published a complete fabrication in order to libel the State of Israel
Just like pro-Palestinians purport the (admittedly questionable) Screams Without Words was a complete fabrication in order to libel the Palestinians? It is understandable that neither side is enthusiastic watching their respective ingroup's crimes making the headlines. Here we have an establishment newspaper that seriously ran a lengthy, outlandishly gruesome story, that you could in no way read as anything but sympathetic to the harrowing treatment of Palestinian prisoners and IDF overreach (to say the least), and refused to take it down. If this is Israeli hasbara, then the Jews get an F.
IMO the NYT's reporting is simply too establishment in tone, too willing to report Israeli justifications at all, too willing to doubt sources of Palestinian casualty figures, and not ready to abandon post-1967 norms of state legitimacy for one side only, which infuriates pro-Palestinians because they don't swallow the full activist catechism.
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Important point! And I've seen such cases personally, where the parents had to feel "fortunate" if they outlive their disabled child. I'll never be happy about an abortion, but sometimes you only have bad choices.
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