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If the IDF offered food and a trip out of Gaza for the family of anyone who accurately reported Hamas hiding spots I bet they would win fast.

I expect just as many Hamasniks would take the offer and report on some random guy too.

Still the point remains that they are ultimately civilians and should this be treated like bystanders and in an ideal world as equal value as humans, like any other human.

Of course. Just like the civilians at Nagasaki.

The core part of my entire set of posts is that we have to stop letting Hamas victimize those civilians. And the main way they are doing do is by continuing to fight a war that's so insanely lopsided and been like that for decades without even a shred of a path towards victory. Continuing to fight a hopeless war is fundamentally immoral. It's one thing to imagine civilians making sacrifices (even of their lives) to fight a war with some tangible victory condition. It's quite another let them make completely pointless sacrifices.

But over focusing on the Israeli hostages is probably a poor framing since most seem to believe giving up the hostages would do nothing to stop the war.

I mean, I agree. What would stop the war is an immediately and total surrender of Hamas and all their forces, just as in Japan.

If it's really 100 hostages to each Hamas, I'd have long expected actually-starving Gazans to bum rush every gunman then immediately declare a total and unconditional surrender.

Then again, that's kind of the core problem. They're hungry, but they're not actually "surrender hostilities and return the hostages"-hungry.

Sure. I just think there is far more incompetence at government contractors than your initial post let on.

Because they are the folks with guns that have a near-monopoly on violence. Or at least were on 10/6.

Who does Israel themselves recognize as the rightful government of the Gaza Strip? At the moment only themselves.

No, they have been casting about for a responsible government for years.