anti_dan
15hr ago
I think it's one of these midwit meme distribution. Glug thinks cartoons are low-brow childish entertainment, midwit thinks since it's not aimed at kids it's adult and somewhat sophisticated. Genius knows it's mostly endless rehash of tropes comfortable to its audience.
This would be odd given the Black + Asian fanbase of anime.
Anime is aimed at teens and is for teens. Adults who are black appear to love it as well. If the meme is to be fufilled the jedi at the right end of adults should also love it.
anti_dan
2d ago
Even in the types of cases where written orders are rare, judges will typically make an oral record which is also typically available in transcript. This is standard in criminal law, for example. If a judge is just like, "Guilty, 10 years in the department of corrections for you" that would be both incredibly rare, and quickly overturned.
anti_dan
3d ago
Nor is shooting someone fleeing (without your property) in the back considered self-defense anywhere.
It was in most states, legal, in 1980. The American culture of 1776-1980 was not some abomination of people selected for individual violence. It was selected for people who were trustworthy in their judgment as to the amount of violence a situation required.
That such trust did not survive the CRA and the associated movements is noted.
anti_dan
4d ago
Nah, its a good general rule that this would be a good excuse to re-impose. Just like imputing deadly intent to any mob the surrounds a vehicle and giving drivers ramming privileges.
anti_dan
4d ago
There are multiple crimes. Assault, battery, unlawful restraint, criminal damage to property. Importantly, by acting in concert of any single conspirator did one, it is imputed to all.
anti_dan
4d ago
A church is a fairly arbitrary point to draw the line at in the grand scheme of things. However it is where the line is drawn and the civil disobedient crossed it.
How is it fairly arbitrary? Almost every state I know of has increased penalties for committing crimes at certain types of places, and almost all of those states include schools and churches in that list of special places. In fact, Minnesota law includes places of worship as one such place in their burglary statute making these actions very serious felonies.
anti_dan
4d ago
No, it is obviously burglary 2nd degree under black letter Minnesota law. Some states have less prosecutor-friendly burglary statutes, but look at this statute for prosecutors in this case (if they wished to take it) that fairly closely mimics the model penal code:
Subd. 2.Burglary in the second degree.
(a) Whoever enters a building without consent and with intent to commit a crime, or enters a building without consent and commits a crime while in the building, either directly or as an accomplice, commits burglary in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both, if:
(b) Whoever enters a government building, religious establishment, historic property, or school building without consent and with intent to commit a crime under section 609.52 or 609.595, or enters a government building, religious establishment, historic property, or school building without consent and commits a crime under section 609.52 or 609.595 while in the building, either directly or as an accomplice, commits burglary in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both.
Of note, its also burglary 1st degree (up to 20 years) if any of the people breaking in had a deadly weapon on them or burglary tools on them or anyone assaulted anyone in the church according the statute. These people would be seriously cooked if they did the same thing in Minnesota to a public or private school that rioters thought had a teacher teaching gay pride. Even Don Lemon appears to fall under this 2nd degree charge based on the charging documents (obviously everything must be proven in court).
anti_dan
4d ago
In the state I live in, if this happened in a less politically charged case, I would expect the people who invaded the church to be charged with several felonies. The obviously ones would be burglary, unlawful restraint (aggravated if any of them had a weapon), mob action, and criminal trespass and criminal damage charges which would be misdemeanors as well. For first time offenders, they would be lucky to get 2 years probation on a lesser charge with fairly strict probation conditions. For anyone with a criminal history, you are looking at 4-15, extendable to 30.
anti_dan
4d ago
The US is not yet at this level.
Are you sure? https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/fbi-justice-department-twist-federal-law-arrest-charge-pro-life
Peacefully protesting outside an abortion clinic and then defending your 12 year old son from an adult getting in his face meant SWAT teams in 2022.
anti_dan
4d ago
The specific indictment language includes accusasions of things that could be plausibly construed as conspiracy and pre-planning with the event organizers who, ultimately planned a church invasion.
anti_dan
4d ago
IMO the best response to this sort of thing is a re-invigoration of the right of self defense. If someone breaks into your church, they are forfeit. This is not a government courthouse or a Wal Mart. Its a church. Its a lot of people's second home. Just give that pastor and all his flock full immunity to any retribution, including shooting in the back people who flee during the, arguably, proper response of force.
anti_dan
5d ago
Speedy trial considerations. You can't do multiple trials, particularly jury trials at once
anti_dan
5d ago
I am tempted to respond merely with, "go on", but, being in a charitable mood I will explain why I think this reply is very stupid.
The "death penalty" thing is just always stupid in these situations. It logically devolves into anarchy in, actually, very few steps.
Let me assume, for the sake of argument that there is a law wherein the penalty is short of death that you believe in. Maybe something like burglary to a home (which both residents of the home and police could legally shoot fleeing suspects within living memory) or even something more trivial like theft from a retail store.
The penalty for noncompliance is always death. Dont believe me? Go to Target. Steal a bunch of shit. When Loss Prevention tries to stop you, fight them. When they try to transfer you to police custody, fight them. When you are in jail, fight the jail guards. When they try to take you to court, fight more. Eventually, you will either die as a result of the response to your opposition to the law, or you will die in a cell for your infinite transgressions thereof (in a functional criminal justice system, in Minnesota you might get like a $12 million dollar jury award for biting off an officers nose, who knows at this point).
Non-compliance with the law always results in death unless you terminate your noncompliance. Its just a matter of time and place and manner.
anti_dan
5d ago
As someone who has worked a job where you encounter a lot of criminals, your sentiments are not unheard of. Both the part where you dont really care anymore and the part where you feel swamped with idiots who insist on giving them chance number 1200. Because of this, I basically went into, "do your job" mode, wherein I defined doing my job as getting results that were, averaged over all cases, beneficial to the public. Sometimes this meant bad results on individual cases. A sorta bad guy gets a decent offer because a really bad guy has trial scheduled the same day. Sometimes it means driving a hard bargain even on a bad case for a bad guy and risking him getting no sentence at all because the conduct you allege is so egregious.
I think the plan of doing your job mostly works when you are encountering the dregs of society. Any other plan will cause you troubles.
Disagree.
The "trans" father has engaged in maximum levels of grandstanding and rebellion from the world he exists in.
If he wants his children to benefit from the world, he merely must accept normal rules.
All he has to do is be normal and his kid gets normal rules.
Prioritizing your weird rules over normal rules means you are crazy and people should not want your kids as citizens.
Thus, consequences.
Historically, the whole family is lucky to not be exiled.
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