ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
I just want to register my annoyance that I'm being argued with on a point that's not germane to the topic I was trying to refute.
Probably a bad idea to start off with a very confident declarative statement that's not even germane to the topic you wanted to discuss, then.
Total model "accuracy" hits unacceptably low numbers, in my opinion, because of how many blurred borderline cases there are, resulting in miscategorizations of various types.
What's the acceptable level of accuracy? Would it change your mind if it turned out "race" is no worse in that regard than most other categories in biology, or would it mean we have to throw the entire science out?
ArjinFerman
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16hr ago
Your first example is one of the few places where MAGA and Trump actually strongly disagree (Epstein stuff)
I thought you said MAGA is supposed to be a personality cult, blindly following everything Trump says.
ArjinFerman
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15hr ago
why, out of all those ongoing conflicts, Russia-Ukraine is the war.
It was much more or a Current Thing than the other ones. You are allowed to not give a hoot about them, but Europe was in a COVID-tier psychosis at the beginning of Russia-Ukraine.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
"Ominous" how? They're just normal people who are trying to get by let everyone else.
Some of us like having a country / nation. When you import a whole new population, with a completely different culture, with absolutely no attachment, no loyalty, and quite possibly not even basic respect, for the culture that's hosting them, and you see that all the young people are from that foreign culture, and all the old people are from yours, it's pretty clear who's in, and who's out. For example, I read somewhere that 80% of people under 20 in Belgium are not Belgian, effectively that means that that nation is over. For a lot of people that's going to be ominous, even if they people replacing them bear them no ill will.
The enemies are the billionaire class selling out the country, not everyday immigrants raising a family.
What about the everyday immigrants who do nothing all day, and get housed in private hotels, paid for by the government? Or the ones setting up grooming gangs that the police and social workers run cover for?
These are people who stock your grocery store shelves, clean your bathrooms at the malls, pick your fruit.
Yeah, we should be doing that ourselves.
That's not something that happens in America.
I'm admittedly more familiar with Europe, but I'm pretty sure there were some weird stories in the US as well. Wasn't there some gang that took over some apartment complex, or something?
Poverty fetish again.
So in the other comment you criticized conservatism for being the ideology of the uneducated. Guilty as charged, I am an uneducated moron. But do you maybe see why ideologies of the educated "elite human capital" aren't compelling to anyone, when you can't seem to be able to string a sentence together in order to describe your opinion and back it?
I think a society should be able to carry out all the tasks necessary for it's own maintenance without relying on foreign workers. It's not a "poverty fetish" any more than wiping your own ass is. If you can't do it, you're not in good health by definition. If you can but won't, and prefer to hire a servant to do it for you, you're a sociopath.
Your entire idea makes even less sense to me, since from what I recall, in the long term you want to automate away these jobs anyway. So, you import millions of people to form an underclass of low-wage workers with no attachment to your nation or it's culture... how do you expect things to play out, once you take away their jobs?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
You sound European?
Correct.
but my Asian and Hispanics friends in southern California are just as American as me
Are you sure they are as loyal to you, as you are to them? Does this statement include the fellows flying Mexican flags during the recent riots?
Right-wingers who went them gone from the country or to feel less American have no place in politics.
Sure they do. Their views are just as legitimate as yours, and have the advantage of not being suicidal.
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
That's two directions...
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
If you’re dating a 28 year old, that 6-12 is spread out over ~12 years, so a new sexual partner every 1-2 years.
That spread can still be a red flag, depending on the distribution. If it's evenly spread out, it sounds like someone with issues forming long-term relationships, who'll sabotage the relationship after 1-2 years. If it's unevenly spread out, it could indicate a slutty period of their life depending on which side of that 6-12 range we're talking about.
ArjinFerman
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18hr ago
Yes? The vast majority of second and third generation Mexican-Americans are never going to fly a Mexican flag in their life. This is a strawman.
Strawman would be a caricature of you position. You're being a bit guarded with it, and so I have to ask some clarifying question about the extent of your beliefs, and such questions cannot be a strawman be definition. So answer please: are the blokes flying the Mexican flag just as American as you?
How the descendants of immigrants are going to integrate is an open question. If they're a tiny minority in an otherwise unified culture, they'll probably integrate. If they're a plurality, and / or the host culture is fragmented, reasons to integrate start disappearing, and there might not even be anything to integrate into, even if they wanted to do it.
Wanting to deport non-white citizens is a suicidal political position because it foments civil war.
I'm not sure citizens can be deported, which is the whole point of doing it now, rather than waiting until the second or third generation. In any case unlimited immigration foments civil war too. Deportations at least have the benefit of not demographically replacing your own nation on top of that.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Far from being stable, this society regularly engaged in revolutions and warfare.
Sure, if you game the metrics you can prove whatever you want. All these wars made less of a dent than what's happening with the birth rates.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Yeah, it could have been Brussels.
Just something I remember I saw while doomscrolling, and my brain might have rounded off the capital for the country. Though your link is for 2020, and I think the info I saw was more recent. Either way, I can't find at the moment, so I'm happy to concede.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Sorry to break the news, but Eyes Wide Shut was a documentary... except toned down.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Knock your girlfriend out, drag her to a campsite outside cell coverage, tell her it's surrounded with bears (and hope she ends up on the right side of the man/bear question), and after she recovers her focus and executive functions, drag her to church?
I don't see it. I don't think this is more of a superstimulus than reading/watching/playing Strawberry 100% in 2002 and imagining you're the generic high school boy they're talking to.
Is there a particular reason why dating sites are more of a superstimuli than speed dating bars? Social media vs. talking to people IRL? Watching porn on VHS vs on your phone? Doomscrolling vs. reading the paper?
For me it's pretty clear - the superstimuli lies in having an interactive agent that actively adapts to your prompts, your life circumstances, etc. Something a scripted story cannot do by definition.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
She doesn't get to say "my competent engineering, which I've worked hard to develop, is the value I offer the world," because the people around her have already decided that her key value is either (a) tits or (b) decorative diversity points,
As far as I can say she does, in fact, get to say this. Literally what is standing in her way? Who will contradict her claim?
It was more than that, but not much more (...) and the right's reaction had all the hallmarks of a moral panic
Several European countries passed gender self-ID laws, last year the town hall where I live was draped in "TRANS DAY OF REMEMBRANCE" banners, the whole "Gender Affirming Care" thing is a fiasco based on no evidence, and a failure of scientific institutions to do proper filtering, there's people being harassed by the police or outright arrested for not buying the gender ideology, or for mild jokes... Yes please go on and tell me how these things are indicative of a moral panic. I guess it's completely normal for sweeping reforms in accordance with a specific ideology to take place, when the influence of said ideology is nothing but a moral panic.
And at the national level, this rhetoric was soundly rejected within the Democratic party.
No it hasn't. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, probably not even you, has ever rejected it. What happened is that Democrats noticed that it's losing them the election, so they're trying to turn the volume down, but they did absolutely nothing to reject it.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
That you might not get jack shit in return and you do it anyway, because it's your duty.
"Reciprocation" doesn't mean you, personally, get something out of it, it means the person has duties of their own.
So we're still projecting.
Didn't you just say "The decline should be observable within a few years"? Isn't that projecting to begin with?
And if it AI doesn't become cheap / good enough, how does that affect the question of whether AI GFs / porn being superstimuli? The question seems completely unrelated to me.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Do you expect OnlyFans, Pornhub, VTubers, Twitch, etc to start suffering big time because a more stimulating version of the same thing has emerged? The decline should be observable within a few years.
You're going a bit far with VTubers / Twitch, as they're a bit more generic than pornography, and I don't know about the timeline, but yeah. If AI GFs / AI generated porn becomes good and cheap enough, I fully expect their human-generated variants to crash.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
Is ridiculously selectively applied, e.g. basically any time people use "the establishment" as a foil they're guilty of this, but they don't get modhatted. As it stands, the rule is merely another cudgel to use against people making left-leaning arguments
The difference being that "the establishment" is meant to specify the criticism to the people with actual power, rather than generalize to everyone who might hold a particular view, and expecting them to defend it. For example, even though you call yourself "The Antipopulist" I would not lump you in with the establishment, and I would not demand that you, personally, defend the establishment's more controversial views and actions (unless there's something we don't know about you, and your position in mainstream institutions).
As for the claim that moderation has become asymmetrical in an anti-left direction, I'm trying to keep an open mind, but you're not helping. You listed several examples of "bad posts" the last time this was brought up, and while I can agree there was something bad about them in that they contained heat that could be taken out to leave more light, you went on to defend posts that were much, much worse, and you're continuing to do so here. One of your examples was "outgroup politicians are 'foreign agents'", but the actual post is much closer to "Ilhan Omar is a foreign agent".
Like I said, I don't even mind having Turok around, he's mostly an asset for people like me. The only downside of his presence would actually affect people on the left than people on the right - his tone is contagious. You said you want moderation applied equally to everyone, well if he gets to post the way he post, and the same standard gets applied to the median motteposter, the level of aggression on this forum is going to rise substantially, and the quality of discussion is going to drop, and you'll again be distraught about how much the right-wingers are getting away with.
faceh said that a terrifying new superstimulus has entered the market that will destroy young men
I can agree he's wrong in that XAI is not even the first company that has developed AI GFs, and gooners have been working on it since day 0 of mildly competent LLMs. But you're wrong in calling it ridiculous. Qualitatively current technology is all that is required to have the impact he predicts, the rest is a question of training customized models, giving them access to your personal data, etc.
Do you think you'd be able to predict the exact inflection point for all the other technologies, as they were being developed? There was quite a few years between the first tittie I saw online, and the displacement of other forms of porn, for example.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
I think the "criminals" aspect of this is a red herring, and the real issue is the infidelity and "messaging multiple men" part. If she was a single mother messaging one man in prison, and he wanted to become the father of her kids, there wouldn't be an issue. If she was married and messaging a dozen non-criminal men and promising them to become the father of her kids they would end up in a similar risky situation.
Yeah, no. How do you think the situation would play out if a dozen dudes straight out of prison ran into each as they were serenading her in front of her house, vs. a dozen normal dudes? I'll go out on a limb and say the latter have a significantly higher chance of figuring out what happened, calling her a bitch, and laughing it off at the bar, and the former have a significantly higher chance of turning the neighborhood into a minor war zone.
ArjinFerman
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10d ago
Hold up.
For years, on this very forum (well, fine, you have to come buck to the /r/SSC days), whenever someone pointed out the advances of the SJ movement, the response was something to the effect of "it's just a couple of crazy kids on college campuses / Tumblr", or alternatively there'd be an attempt to "steelman" the movement to make it look more reasonable than it actually is ("defund the police doesn't really mean defund the police"), something later dubbed "sanewashing" by other elements of the left.
His use of neutral language is not covering up any switch, it's taking what progressives who participated in Culture War commentary at face value, i.e. assuming their good faith. We can dispense with that assumption, but I'm not sure you'd be happy with that either.
... in the same breath as bragging about the precision of the bombing of Iran, it might be worth adding...
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