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10hr ago
He was engaged in Reddit communities dedicated to disproving and dunking on incels: IncelsInAction and IncelTears, 39 posts altogether. In the community IncelExit, specifically dedicated to ensuring people do not become incels and instead find “healthy ways to cope”, he had 148 posts. He was a contributor to the Virgin subreddit, but that community actually has nothing to do with incels (obviously not every guy concerned about his virginity is an incel, otherwise literally every boy before his first experience is an incel).
He wrote,
”I’m not clarifying [sic, classifying] myself as an incel but people like similar to me they have had nothing but themselves and they socially had it tough. Like how can you have drive and will power?”
One could even argue that had he a community of people to commiserate with, that the chance of the attack would decrease; the whole reason for social support is to be heard sympathetically and to relate to someone else. Instead he was participating in subreddits that are absolutely merciless to boys to who exhibit anything approximating inceldom, which winds up including what a teenage boy naturally feels when he doesn’t have a girlfriend. (How many tens of millions once felt the pangs of “tfw no gf”?).
https://voxpol.eu/jake-davison-an-incel-case/
As an aside, I find the case especially sad because he posted in AfricansGoneWild. Look at his beard! His love for guns! My guy could have walked into a mosque and left with a Somali and a shahada.
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13hr ago
Indeed, acid attacks have increased 70% over the year prior, and are disproportionately committed by Africans. The UK has had 500,000 knife offenses since 2014, and yet not a single violent crime has been found to be committed for incel motives over the past decade. (We even have a case of murder, thePlymouth shooting, where the perpetrator was knee deep in anti-incel online communities, and the triggering event was when the girl he was talking to online in America posted about him being a creep leading to the mods to delete his account (quite funny))
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14hr ago
This series is not designed to be informative about any issue, though, it really seems designed to introduce terror and humiliation when specific cues are presented. These cues are the white child protagonist and a few buzzwords, but the show doesn’t even focus on the buzzwords, so it’s really only the white child. Just as someone who has spent a little more time than the average person reading about how specific cues can be manipulated to generate emotional reactions, modified through reactivation and reconsolidation, the directorial choices only make sense when you imagine an evil director who wants to inspire bad feelings about specific cues. Because it lines up too accurately.
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the hiding of the boy’s face in the car, so that you don’t relate to him on his isolated journey back
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the emotionless bureaucratic faces of the police that strike down any sympathy to the boy; the bureaucratic language intentionally designed to train the viewer to treat the boy in a dehumanized way
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the white woman chosen for the minimum possible amount of emotional expression on her face, even worse than that Star Wars actress of yore
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the third episode which begins in a way that you could plausibly feel sympathy, and then reconsolidates that into terror and fear at him and some disgust
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the questioning designed to humiliate him, in other words, to demean his status in the eyes of the viewer
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showing a random encounter of a white student bullying a black student (the nephew of the cop or something), and then having a white woman cry over an African girl, for no other reason to instill a sense of a racial villain
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the use of childhood photos to make the viewer think it’s real
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the music (described as “tense and oppressive” in the subtitles)
Here’s what I mean. Imagine you like your friend Joe. I can get you to dislike him a bit more, maybe a lot more, by presenting a series of cues about Joe and then right afterward elaborating upon the ways in which Joe is unlikable. I can show you Joe’s face, and then I can play ominous music and talk about murder — this alone would move the needle if done repeatedly. I can go further, and have a sequence of clips of Joe mentioning why he is likable, and then right after each sequence I can show you someone in a higher status position showing no empathy to him and then talking about him like he is dehumanized. I can show you clips of him dehumanized, for instance him pissing himself, needing his father to put on pants for him, being stripped in front of him, being asked whether he’s gay — intuitively you know, bullies will create rumors like this because bullies are looking for the best way to reduce your status — and if I do this in the right sequence and with right power, everyone will like Joe less, scientifically, it will be measurable. You don’t realize how strong the effect is: there are studies which show it can be used to reduce cravings in alcoholics by reconsolidating the cues of alcohol to cues of disgust. It’s strong.
Someone involved in this movie was specifically interested in psychologically manipulating the viewer, to decrease positive valence associated with white male children and even white males generally, and increase it for minorities and women. Cue by cue, this is really what the movie is about, and the actual incel etc stuff takes up only a small fraction of the screen time, and wasn’t the intended cue manipulation by the director.
To make it worse, the black actor who we are supposed to consider a dignified British person is actually not, and I don’t mean in a physiognomy-enjoyer way, I mean in real life he was jailed for a gun offense and fined for assault, and his own demographic in the UK is disproportionately responsible for stabbings. But consider also that physiognomy reactions are strong: imagine Steve Schirripa playing a math genius, or imagine an aboriginal Australian woman teaching a Chinese guy how to do math — this is the British version of this, someone from a criminal people in a position above a boy who looks like he should be singing Anglican evensongs at King’s College Cambridge. Literally inverting the entire social order of the UK, the best that the UK can produce being put into a humiliation ritual by the worst that the UK still has to deal with.
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22hr ago
The first episode is pro police brutality. The protagonist of the first two episodes is a police officer, and the daughter corrects her parents when they ask about a complaint. The response is considered justifiable by the police and the child’s own counsel didn’t consider police brutality worthy of attention. The audience takeaway is that this action is justified — all the cool protagonists were involved, and it’s only an angry low class Dad who temporarily wants to file a complaint. Episode two is where we learn about incels and the “red pill” from the detective’s son, and that this is what caused the murder. The accomplice is also clearly depicted as being incel adherent, hence his obsession with looks and asking the detective about whether he got girls.
I have never seen a piece of media that is so clearly a psy-op. The series is designed to (1) make children afraid of ever coming across something online about incels or the red pill by introducing a strong terror response, for instance (a) imagining themself as the boy and having your father watch as the police inspect your penis [this is the director’s intent, hence the focus on the father’s face], (b) making the boy utterly humiliated and demeaned, for instance his peeing himself and crying and then being thrown in jail after being humiliated by a woman, (c) making you think you can be an accomplice also thrown in jail, hence the plot line of the body who was beaten by the black girl [the only time the “authority-coded” characters cry and sympathize is for the black girl]; (2) make women afraid of boys who look or behave like the boy protagonist, by associating the boy with all sorts of evils and shock and humiliation; [3] artificially raise the status of minorities, for instance the black police officer and the south Asian teachers, whereas there’s an ugly white police officer who is intentionally depicted as an ugly older incel
It’s really not about “bullying is bad” at all. That’s what episode three was about. Episode three is about raising the possibility that this is the case, and then the director shooting down the notion psychologically via (1) depicting the boy as aggressive and manipulative and violent, (2) making us unsympathetic to the boy and instead sympathetic to the dominant detective, (3) showing the detective denying any sympathy to the boy at the end and then breaking down, signaling to the viewer to sympathize with the woman and not the boy.
What I just can’t wrap my head around is —
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is it a foreign country somehow spending, like, billions of dollars in espionage and subterfuge to get this show made and shown to the youth? Why would anyone show this to their own children?
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is it a domestically made psy-op in order to, like, “subjugate” white people in the UK further? Did the government think they were getting too uppity because of the grooming gangs?
Like there is nothing organic about the directorial decisions at all.
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2d ago
What are Americans most zealous about and willing to fight someone over? Sports? Not counting politics.
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8d ago
When you've…
Well yeah, because enormous things are at stake, and the choices are binary. We don’t have the luxury to care about inconsequential matters when the binary is so consequential. The very nature of the country is at stake: demographics, who becomes the eternal national villain. Any public criticism of Trump makes Republicans less likely to win in the future. And conservatives want Republicans to win. I’m sure if I were a radical transgender, or a black nationalist, I would feel the same way but in the other direction. What you’re asking is essentially —
why don’t conservatives decrease their chance of existential victory in order to punish the administration for something which the media has already punished them for?
— and the answer is simple: they want to win. I’m sure there’s a lot of criticism internally, but why would an influencer countersignal their own army here? Is the middle of a battle the right time to loudly denounce Napoleon?
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8d ago
I have a feeling there are many more factors to this, but I don’t really want to go through numerous dry textbooks to find it… maybe there’s a meta study I can find
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9d ago
Anyone have good reading on a hypothetically optimized placebo effect?
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9d ago
Keren Yarhi-Milo, the current dean of Columbia’s School of International and Public Affairs, is a former Israeli intelligence officer. Do you think she is “advancing American interests”?
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10d ago
The actions that Columbia have announced will have an immediate effect on combating anti-Semitism, holding those responsible for the harassment of Jewish students accountable, and reorienting Columbia to its academic mission. Columbia has committed to: Reviewing admissions procedures to ensure an unbiased admissions process and specifically studying the decline in admissions of Jewish students.
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/columbia-comply-anti-semitism-task-force-preconditions-met.html
Everything has and always will be pure tribalism. One must simply long for his tribe and dedicate his life to hardening it.
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11d ago
Would she cry over a wounded bird or a refugee?
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11d ago
Have you ever seen a neurotic bleeding heart black woman? seems exclusively like a white phenomenon, sometimes Hispanic and Asian.
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11d ago
The science of practice is going to have an effect no matter what kind of thing you’re learning. Variable practice, spacing, retrieval, elaboration. For instance, it is always going to be better to do 5 reps of A, 5 of B, 5 of c / d / e, all in one “session”, then just sitting down to do one technique for an hour. Always. And it is better to attempt to retrieve the technique out of your mind than looking back at notes; better to elaborate upon it with thoughts and examples and scenarios of your own; better to draw something you find interesting than otherwise (hence the nudes of art history); better to draw and then check your results like a test. And it’s going to be better to try fit in two or three short practices a day, rather than one long one every three days.
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11d ago
What is the most enjoyable conspiracy / new age belief to hold? I don’t mean convincing or beneficial, but just pure fun. Like, if beliefs were games or desserts, which belief would you buy to enjoy for an overindulgent weekend?
(Inspired by the weird egyptian pyramid theory going around online)
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11d ago
What are some games that focus on exploration and vibes but with zero gamification elements? Something I’ve noticed is that games will try to nudge you into exploring an area by giving you an “exploration point”, or some other sort of positive reinforcer. But whenever this happens, it actually reduces your interest in exploring for its own sake, because the extrinsic reward interferes with the intrinsic reward processing. So when you get that point or that notification telling you that this is a new area, you now want to explore a new area already instead of actually taking in and experiencing the area you ostensibly have just discovered.
Is there any game that doesn’t do this? That encourages the intrinsic exploration element simply by not encouraging anything at all? (An old game which did this, that I recall playing briefly as a child, is The Endless Forest)
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11d ago
Do you find that the rhyming in a poem makes the meaning of the idea more clear or less clear? To me, any rhyming seems to interfere with my immediate ability to grasp the meaning, so it’s worse at conveying meaning that non-rhyming poetry or prose.
What is the most enjoyable conspiracy / new age belief to hold? I don’t mean convincing or beneficial, but just pure fun. Like, if beliefs were games or desserts, which belief would you buy to enjoy for an overindulgent weekend?
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17d ago
One canceled contract was weighing how effectively Oregon schools spent taxpayer dollars that were set aside to improve reading instruction, by emphasizing phonics, vocabulary and other building blocks of early literacy.
Sailer’s entire post hinges on this.
The lab for which funding was cut spends a lot of resources on addressing “inequitable disciplinary actions” ie wasting money on trying to “address” why blacks are disciplined more, etc. So it’s good that their funding was cut. On WestEd, who was granted money to work on REL West —
Take research consultancy WestEd, which runs REL West and is a supporting partner for several other RELs. With $260 million in revenue and more than 1,400 employees across 13 offices, the consultancy receives substantial public funding. Financial statements show that a third of WestEd’s revenue comes from federal sources, and almost half from state and local sources. The consultancy’s products include a report promoting the replacement of standardized tests with controversial lottery admissions to ensure “equitable” access to competitive magnet high schools, and a teacher’s guide on “culturally responsive” math education. WestEd even trained teachers on “Critical Race English Education.” Participants learned, for instance, how they could lead lessons which examine the role of the “white savior complex” in Atticus Finch’s character development in To Kill a Mockingbird.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/trump-department-of-education-contracts-left-activism
If the media cared about the truth, an iota, they would tell you this. They don’t. They omit and lie. I hope conservatives become the best omitters and liars in the entire world, and then we win. As of now, because it’s such a waste of time to actively determine how the media is lying, I am in a kind of default “the media is always lying” hibernation. Just cut everything at this point, I really don’t care — the Oregonians get what they deserve
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18d ago
I’m not sure what you mean. In a democracy filled with uninformed and incompetent voters, if one side lies all the time, the other side must lie in turn in order to compete, let alone win. This is actually the very basis of newspapers in the American democratic tradition. X is not a newspaper, no, but it has taken on the same role. If the American voter wishes to learn about the facts and only the facts, they have to read papers and bills and data, and not Reddit or X or Bluesky. And yet they continue to use these services, at once proving that they are incompetent judges of the most obvious fact that the media lies. To quote Thomas Jefferson,
It is a melancholy truth, that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it's benefits, than is done by it's abandoned prostitution to falsehood. Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers, live & die in the belief, that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time; whereas the accounts they have read in newspapers are just as true a history of any other period of the world as of the present, except that the real names of the day are affixed to their fables. General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is now at war, that Bonaparte has been a successful warrior, that he has subjected a great portion of Europe to his will, &c., &c.; but no details can be relied on. I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them
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18d ago
The parsimonious explanation is that Musk is using his voice to mold opinion, not to plainly tell the truth. This is “immoral” in the sense that punching someone is immoral, when they have been punching you for years. The news has been doing this forever. Everything else Hanania writes is not a full representation of facts, but a partisan slant to make you dislike Elon (eg, no proof that cutting Department of Ed employees will reduce the longterm collection of debt in any way that it deserves a moment’s thought; no entertaining the notion that he did not cut those specific employees; no entertaining the notion that “build fast and break things” may be the overall utilitarian strategy which simply looks worse when you write a slanted list of all the bad things; etc)
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19d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March_coin
Caesar's assassins issued commemorative coins depicting the murder weapon and the words 'ides of march'.
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23d ago
What is there to expand that you haven’t already read on the forum? The White share in the countries they founded is trending downward rapidly. I don’t want it to, which is justified by personal taste, the science of evolution, and the evidence that countries are better with more of these people in it. Also, I don’t want people of White ancestry discriminated against in institutions or in the origin stories foisted upon them in education. This means that a middle class white person will never have a position taken by a wealthier minority person of similar ability due to diversity, and it means that there is nothing negative taught about White people in school which isn’t counterbalanced by negative stories about minorities. When these primary things are met, which are upstream of most of the things I care about, then I have the luxury to care about the more trivial matters of the economy and geopolitical reach.
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23d ago
Not sure if it’s too early to tell, really — it’s consistently high, provided there’s available farmland. What definitely is too early to tell, however, is whether the Amish or Mennonite who leave agriculture will continue to have a high birth rate. Or maybe there’s already a study on that which I need to read.
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23d ago
My first priority is “White population doesn’t go down + they aren’t discriminated against”. My second priority is that Israel doesn’t exert undue influence on us, and instead we exert it on them. But if Trump continues to be so comically submissive to them I will temporarily flip my priorities around. Also, new information I’ve learned on the Mennonite birth rates in South America make me care a little less about White TFR (eg in this century they will make up most births in Bolivia).
It seems so, and I asked Grok about the last decade and he agreed. Although there have apparently been some referred “channel cases” related to incel stuff, but I’m not familiar with how that works and if convictions are public and I’m too lazy to look. That appears to be a terrorism prevention program, but the UK of course jails people just for material.
It must also be noted, just as a fun thought experiment, that if there are 100 murders a decade related to unrequited love, and if incels occupy 1% of the population, then we should expect 1 murder a decade which involves an incel, and involves unrequited love, and yet which was not actually caused by the ideology. Because men sometimes do kill unrequited crushes, all over the world, and have for all of history — without any accompanying ideological motive.
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