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1yr ago
For sure in the US. But the thought experiment is also interesting from the standpoint of measuring intranational quality of life and proposing higher taxation. If, at the greatest extreme, a person would sacrifice two thirds of his extraneous income (after housing/food) in order to live in this utopian social environment, then we really ought to be comparing social environments instead of economies when considering quality of life between nations and states. And this probably has some moral application to taxing the wealthy more.
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1yr ago
How much of a pay decrement would you take if —
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you never have to worry about school quality, healthcare, crime, or drug abuse among your children
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the area where you work is beautiful and stress-reducing
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you can walk a pleasant street to obtain the necessities of life
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the people who you meet daily are kind and have good etiquette
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1yr ago
I found this stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_certificate
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/aryan-1 (the official holocaust encyclopedia)
Popularly, however, it continued to be used inside and outside of Germany to refer not only to Germans, but also to other European nationalities, such as Italians, Norwegians, and Croatians. Although Poles, Russians, and some other Slavs suffered brutal persecution under Nazi rule, they were considered to be "Aryans." Race scientists and anthropologists too considered Slavs to be composed of the same races, including Nordic, as Germans. They were deemed to be of related blood.
However in Mein Kampf we find:
By handing Russia to Bolshevism, it robbed the Russian nation of that intelligentsia which previously brought about and guaranteed it existence as a state. For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacy of the German element in an inferior race. Numerous mighty empires on earth have been created in this way. Lower nations led by Germanic organizers and overlords have more than once grown to be mighty state formations and have endured as long as the racial nucleus of the creative state race had maintained itself. For centuries Russia drew nourishment from this Germanic nucleus of its upper stata. Today it can be regarded as almost totally exterminated....
I think the questions are, “did Nazis consider Slavs more inferior than was normal to the 20th century,” “did Nazis consider Slavs sufficiently inferior that their conduct in war was motivated on racial superiority”. You probably have to also consider that dehumanization is common to war. Even today, Israeli politicians are calling the Palestinians “seeds of Amalek”, and both Ukrainians and Russians are dehumanizing each other, and Americans pretty much dehumanized the Pashtuns as barbaric savages stuck in the past.
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1yr ago
What has been the academic progress on utilitarians in the past five years? What are the hot button contentions?
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1yr ago
Discussion requires polemics. Almost all political discussion on Twitter is polemic, for instance. The last polemic post in main thread, on Ukraine, is at -3 for some reason.
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1yr ago
Hmm, I don’t follow. CEOs are paid in stock and packages, their future income is predicated on performance, and networking/learning is simply tomorrow’s income for those with delayed gratification. Do you really think that it’s worth it for someone who makes a million a year to care about where they get gas or the price of the pizza they order? I would still say “absolutely not” except for the psychological benefit of making money seem more valuable.
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1yr ago
But the topic is the very rich, and approximately all of them “would've otherwise gotten paid that money for their time”, either through additional hours related to their position proper or through networking and continual learning. Heck, even just exercising or going on a walk in nature saves more money in the long run for the super rich than nickling and diming. But yeah, you and @Walterodim are right regarding not super rich, salaried engineers or whatever.
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1yr ago
I’m thinking specifically about those for whom “where should I get gas” or “what’s the least expensive bag of spinach” is genuinely less productive than spending that same amount of time at work. Even if you make 500k, two minutes of your time is $8. But it’s probably more than that, because decision-based willpower depletion etc
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1yr ago
Those very rich people who are extremely thrifty are not maximizing their money, because their cognition is better spent on their work than on a hundred dollars here or there. But I think what’s going on is psychological: those small moments of spendthriftiness increase the perceived valuation of money, thus increasing their motivation to work harder (even though they already have enough money for multiple lifetimes of satisfying any whim). They go into work after picking the cheapest gas station, then when they see the dollar signs on their monitor it is imbued with salient meaning that is otherwise lost through habit.
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1yr ago
Perhaps it all comes down to a misplaced, illogical application of instinct. Nothing more or less than that?
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The instinct of justice. If someone in your tribe is exploiting another member for wealth, you should shame the exploitative member and pursue a form of reparation. This is a pretty universal rule: a child might apologize and make up for it with a friend; a husband might get a gift for an insulted girlfriend.
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The instinct of judging by bloodline. Humans all come equipped with the knowledge that child is like parent, whether in humans or husbandry or agriculture.
The problem with (1) is that “the moral standard of freedom to your out-group” is purely an invention of Whites, and “exploiting out-group member for gain” is plausibly universal among non-whites in the same era. So, our “instinct of justice” should make us love Whites for ending extra-group slavery and exploitation, rather than illogically applying an anachronistic standard (which they themselves discovered) to a pre-standard era. We should always rejoice in moral development and probably give the discoverer extra honor, which in this cause would be Europeans, who risked their lives to save many millions of Africans when they placed their ships off the African coast and threatened Africans and Ottomans to force them to stop slavery. But there is something pernicious about those who fail to see this, because they are now committing an evil, by impugning the very people who deserve honor. Re: (2), it makes no sense per the above, but it ironically makes sense for judging the allegedly oppressed class, because of their lack of development. Do the people who judge by bloodline apply the same instinct to the children of criminals? Very likely not, as their instinct has been subverted.
The ghosts are probably the most coherent complain here. Ghosts are bad vibes, and it is hard ignore the vibe of a place which you know was depressing.
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1yr ago
The Marubo are doing an internet culture speedrun. First their embarrassing details are posted to the world by the NYT, then some of it is taken out of context and proliferated by fake news sites, now everyone at their work thinks they are porn addicts (and they all have the same unique last name!). We need to send Tucker Carlson down there to do a new special: “this isolated tribe received StarLink. Now they watch porn while being doxxed and slandered by the news.”
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1yr ago
I'm not voting to support a cause. I'm voting to find the most qualified candidate.
The way our system works in practice is that our votes are only for causes. Biden isn’t Biden, Biden is the team of qualified agents behind the name who promote a particular agenda. The same with Trump (perhaps to a lesser degree because he’s not well-trained in politics). They are not writing policies, agendas, calendars or speeches. They don’t even write their own biographies.
Your view hinges on the idea that a blank ballot is more meaningful than a 0.0000001% influence on the country. But it’s not. No one will care about your blank ballot. It’s healthy to be disillusioned and not give a shit about the election, and that’s why it’s only every so often that you have to vote. It’s worth it given the minuscule amount of time invested. You concede that there is a lesser of two evils and that’s what life is about, you should always pick the lesser of two weevils.
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1yr ago
A decade ago, yes. For the past ~four years it is all bots designed to cause psychological damage to you (unironically). If you have some keyword and want to see the discussions there, just go on 4Plebs and type in your inquiry.
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1yr ago
It is problematic because sex is important to a healthy organism. You should care only insofar as you care about the health of others in different ways (obesity, autism rates, alcoholism, whatever).
Evolutionarily, men have always been the disposable gender
Evolutionarily men would also capture foreign war brides. I’m not sure where evolution factors in unless we are considering rallying up Afghani and Ukrainian women as eligible war brides.
the average male was historically much less likely to produce any offspring than the average female
Do you mean prehistory? In civilizational history, I would be suspicious of this once you account for war, venereal disease from prostitutes, priesthood
the average male is still significantly more likely to reproduce in a first world Western country today than he would have been historically
Not sure if this is true once war and veneral disease is accounted for
why is there such concern over this particular dip in fertility?
If the domestic population of Western nations do not have children they will be replaced by foreigners which, evolutionarily and historically, is a fate worse than individual death. Didn’t like, 20% of Russian men die to prevent German rule on their soil?
certain MENA societies provide a case study in how you can have a resilient social order where the majority of women disappear into the harems of rich men and the majority of men are left sexless
I think this is incorrect. MENA societies are historically a case study in fractiousness. They have calmed down in recent decades because polygamy is on the decline. In addition to polygamy on the decline, MENA has been sending their rebellious men to Iraq / Afghanistan / Libya etc where they fight to the death in some hellish geopolitical colosseum battle. However they also get war brides and that’s pretty cool.
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1yr ago
Right but music is made up of constituent things (pace, texture, melody) and all of these small things are associated with experiences. Your own emotional experiences and those of others. So if you take Mozart’s famous Lacrimosa in d minor, you can isolate each constituent element and then see how they form together a cohesive experience that expresses something: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zvnNh04qoGw
The pace is slow, with slowness of heart rate associated with emotional spaces like contemplation or depression (or in happy moods: peace, relaxation, etc). The beginning notes of the higher violin connotes the human cry or weep, in that it literally sounds like both the “melody” of a cry and the texture of a sad human voice. Whereas the lower violin inherently connotes the human groans of regret. When the actual singing begins, if you try to imagine the voice occurring as if it weren’t following a musical pattern, it would connote a loud sound of anguish and plea. And then comes foreboding.
And, well, that emotional space is exactly the text:
Full of tears will be that day
When from the ashes shall arise
The guilty man to be judged
The reason liturgical music hits hard is that the emotions underlying it hit hard, but are not often expressed today with the same sense of existential significance, reverence, and profundity. “Timeless” negative emotions of guilt, regret, sorrow, profundity in the face of the personified Eternal… it is an intrinsically serious emotional space and so it sounds serious.
anyway this is just my theory but I 100% believe this is what is going on. I remember “Wa habibi” by fairuz came on in the background after a family friend spoke about a near-death experience involving her son, and the friend literally stopped the conversation to say how beautiful the song was and how she needed to know the artist. This was from someone with no interest in choral, Christian, or Syrian music. Well, the song is literally about a death experience of a woman’s son, and the vocals connote that through imitating human regretful anguish — with vocal texture, pace, vocal pattern
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1yr ago
I’m pretty sure all the potency of music is “longterm memory association of sound with emotions and physical states”. As we get older, we experience emotions and physical sensations which have sounds associated to them. The Western music scale is mnemonically optimal because of the “seven plus or minus two rule” of memory (we can only remember about seven things, in short term memory). There is also “natural” proportion in intervals which probably plays a part. IMO it must have to do with longterm associative learning because: (1) children are born with primitive music taste and understanding; (2) not everyone has a good or sophisticated taste in music, and this seems unrelated to general intelligence, so it can’t have to do with mathematical pattern recognition per se; (3) the best songwriters are not the best theorists, meaning there is something different from theory at work (social-emotional awareness likely); (4) listening to more music young seems to enhance taste in music, probably acting as additional training in the recognition of aural-emotional association
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1yr ago
The police should tell us the motivations of terroristic acts against all protected classes. They shouldn’t hold press conferences only when it is anti-asian, or motivated against women, or some minority religion. That winds up biasing political discourse. They would never withhold this information if other protected classes were targeted. A Christian targeting transgender people would absolutely get wall to wall coverage.
she was indeed crazy
No evidence of her being crazy. She was radicalized but in a sane mind. Her writings do not seem far from the median young transgender activist’s writings. “I hate parental views; how my mom sees me as a daughter — and she'd not bear to want to lose that daughter because a son would be the death of Audrey.” This is an intelligent, orderly sentence structure that shows forethought and consideration. This is not something a crazy person would write.
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I don’t buy that Superman was written with secretive philosemitic intent, even if the writers have said as much. His name is Anglo-American, his looks are Anglo-American, his uniform is a shield with an S in the middle (lol), and the name Superman appears Nietzschean more than anything. Just out of curiosity I checked the original first issue of Superman. The first page speaks about a baby sent to earth with titanic strength who must use his powers to save humanity at large by benefitting those most in need, which okay, there’s maybe some Moses and Samson in there but to me that reads Christological. The authors saying it is secretively Jewish sounds more like an excuse drafted by two creative writers upon realizing they invented a very “aryan”, Titan-ish hero.
Anyway to add more to the etiological origin theory of Wokeness, someone here once commented with this article that is filled with figures about the breakdown of 60/70s social scientists and other interesting things. (don’t remember the username)
surveys given to physical anthropologists in the 1970s found that Jewish anthropologists largely disbelieved in race as a biologically valid concept (a distinctly left-wing view) while the opposite was true of gentile anthropologists.
Lerner et al. (1989) who somehow managed to administer political surveys to a random sample of over 1,300 high status members of the military, the media, law firms, the government, etc, and then reported on the difference in opinion between gentile and Jewish elites. What they found is that gentile American elites had a slight right-wing bias but the addition of Jewish American elites pushed the mean opinion in the other direction creating a significant bias in favor of the left.
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1yr ago
You are a Japanese salaryman. You work at a construction company. Your boss wishes to fire you but labor laws prevent him, so he gives you the task of repositioning a spherical object to the top of the construction site (it sits on an inclined hill). After you have spent most of your day delivering the spherical object to the top of the incline, your boss tells you that it wasn’t the right object, and promptly rolls it down to the base of the hill. This continues day after day. How do you cope for maximum happiness, implying you must keep your job?
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1yr ago
A problem with “value” is that biased people will misconstrue agreement for value yet again. Value is too vague. Dunking on someone will be “valuable”. With something like “concision” and “insight”, it’s much harder to fib to yourself that you’re not upvoting it just because you agree with it.
Ultimately defectors with defect. But there must be some way to mechanism design theory our way toward to optimal discourse.
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1yr ago
If what we care about is incentivizing good discourse then it makes sense to separate the singular vote into different metrics:
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insightfulness
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concision (& citation)
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enjoyability
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agreement
I think these are the top four. Perhaps the “singular vote” can be an amalgamation of these, if we even need the singular value. Each of these four has its own use. Agreement serves a polemic function, insight is the actual reason and telos of all discourse, enjoyability is a requirement for all reading due to human nature, and concision is the efficiency metric which benefits total discourse by increasing the amount of reading someone can do. By separating the singular vote into four, someone can see where his posts can be improved. The number can appear like the “cardinal directions” with a value on all four sides, and if we want a singular value it would appear in the middle. The numerals can be color-coded or gradiated by opacity/boldness so it stands out to the eye.
The current “singular vote” is not optimal. It weighs way too heavy toward agreeement and effort. Agreeability serves a function but it too easily becomes mob rule. For certain issues, only the most passionate people are going to vote, so it allows the impassionata way too much influence on the exact topics that should be dispassionately voted on. Effort is nice, but if the post isn’t insightful, concise, and enjoyable, then the effort is misplaced. By having four different metrics we can now sort comments in interesting ways: which are the most enjoyable? Which are the most insightful?
I disagree that “votes” don’t matter, as I have a feeling that all discourse invariability imitates the form of the discourse. Twitter isn’t just a medium, it is itself is a message, because its form incentivizes a particular kind of dumbed-down ”common folk” quip. There’s likely an invisible effect from all voting methods and all medium formats.
I also think a user shouldn’t have unlimited votes. There should be a set number of votes they can apply per week. If they want to vote more than that then their vote should be discounted. I think the kind of person who votes on every comment they read is a unique personality profile which doesn’t represent the total community.
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The paradise I am referring to is the way that children are socialized and trained into adults. I’m not making a sweeping generalization about civilizational flaws — I understand the fall is irrevocable — though there are probably other ways that HG’s hold insight on maximizing happiness. If certain instincts originated in tandem with the HG lifestyle, then the HG lifestyle gives us a picture on how those instincts are best oriented and satisfied. We can then find their approximate civilizational version. For instance, if HG’s do a lot of things with their hands, then we may ask whether humans today are doing enough with their hands, and indeed studies show that enjoying hand-related hobbies is good for the brain and can be very satisfying. Consider how it works with other animals: were you developing the most pleasant enclosure for wild deer, it would probably just mimic their natural environment but without predators. So it is with Man (plausibly).
But back to the point, the children are raised with something we can call “adaptive boredom”. They get bored, which is a displeasing feeling, but that acts as a springboard to get them to playfully train as adults. Their training is stress-free, natural, and probably cognitively efficient. The phone-y superstimuli is introduced and suddenly their minds are focused on things which are more pleasant than anything around them, which replace boredom with novelty, but which do not lead to effortless adaption to adulthood. Those children now cannot enjoy the most pleasant path toward adulthood, because they have consumed the forbidden Apple product, and as such their mind is preoccupied with otherworldly pleasures. For the children to adapt into adulthood you now need to cajole them, punishment them, incentivize them. All of these are less preferable because they reduce intrinsic enjoyment of the activity. Meanwhile, the phoney stimuli is taking up cognitive real estate that really isn’t for the longterm good. That human instinct to pass by a tree and grab a desirable fruit is being abused by technological moneygrubbers, as the children now grab their phone and consume something pleasing the eye. It would be much better if they felt boredom, because the longterm displeasure from technology outweighs the temporary adaptive pleasure of boredom. (And this isn’t even going into studies on “wakeful rest” and the default mode network where boredom is shown to be healthy to the mind…)
Our civilizations did not always have superstimuli available to young people. You know, if you were growing up somewhere in the 19th century, you may be doing something like what the primitive kids were doing re adaptive boredom. Civilization did introduce unpleasant discipline, but there still would have been a pro-adaptive playfulness component, where the kid would “playfully” read an entertaining book which shaped his ability to read, or would “playfully” act out military drills, etc.
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From NYT (archive): Elon Musk’s Starlink has connected an isolated tribe to the outside world — and divided it from within.
As the speeches dragged on, eyes drifted to screens. Teenagers scrolled Instagram. One man texted his girlfriend. And men crowded around a phone streaming a soccer match while the group's first female leader spoke. Just about anywhere, a scene like this would be mundane. But this was happening in a remote Indigenous village in one of the most isolated stretches of the planet.
"When it arrived, everyone was happy," said Tsainama Marubo, 73, sitting on the dirt floor of her village's maloca, a 50-foot-tall hut where the Marubo sleep, cook and eat together. The internet brought clear benefits, like video chats with faraway loved ones and calls for help in emergencies. "But now, things have gotten worse," she said. She was kneading jenipapo berries to make a black body paint and wearing ropes of jewelry made from snail shells. Lately, the youth had become less interested in making such dyes and jewelry, she said. "Young people have gotten lazy because of the internet," she said. "They're learning the ways of the white people."
After only nine months with Starlink, the Marubo are already grappling with the same challenges that have racked American households for years: teenagers glued to phones; group chats full of gossip; addictive social networks; online strangers; violent video games; scams; misinformation; and minors watching pornography.
During the meetings, teenagers swiped through Kwai, a Chinese-owned social network. Young boys watched videos of the Brazilian soccer star Neymar Jr. And two 15-year-old girls said they chatted with strangers on Instagram. One said she now dreamed of traveling the world, while the other wants to be a dentist in São Paulo.
A case study in what happens when you take a “natural” society and introduce the internet. This relates in some interesting ways to an overview of Hunter-Gatherers and Play that I posted a few weeks ago in the FFT:
Given the indulgence that hunter-gatherer adults exhibit toward children, it is no surprise that the children spend most of their time playing. Play, almost by definition, is what children want to do. The adults have no qualms about this, because they believe that it is through play that children learn what they must to become effective adults. In a survey of ten hunter-gatherer researchers, who had lived in 7 different hunter-gatherer cultures, all of the researchers said that children were free to play essentially from dawn to dusk every day (see Gray, 2009). In a published report on how Ju/’hoan children spent their time, Patricia Draper (1976, pp 205-206) concluded: "[Ju/’hoan] children are late in being held responsible for subsistence tasks. Girls are around 14 years old before they begin regular food gathering and water- and wood-collecting. This is in spite of the fact that they may be married before this age. Boys are 16 years old or over before they begin serious hunting. … Children do amazingly little work." In a study of peoples with mixed hunter-gatherer and agricultural subsistence, in Botswana, John Bock and Sarah Johnson (2004) found that the more a family was involved in hunting and gathering, and the less they were involved in agriculture, the more time children had to play.
Hunter-gatherer children are never isolated from adult activities. They observe directly all that occurs in camp––the preparations to move; the building of huts; the making and mending of tools and other artifacts; the food preparation and cooking; the nursing and care of infants; the precautions taken against predators and diseases; the gossip, discussions, arguments, and politics; the songs, dances, festivities, and stories. They sometimes accompany adults on food gathering trips, and by age 10 or so boys sometimes accompany men on hunting trips. In the course of their daily lives, they see, hear, and have the opportunity to explore everything that is relevant to becoming a successful adult in their culture, and they incorporate all of this into their play. They play at the activities that they observe in the adults around them, and as they grow older, their play turns gradually into the real thing. There is no sharp division between playful participation and real participation in the valued activities of the band.
The above-mentioned survey of researchers elicited many examples of valued adult activities that were mimicked regularly by children in play. Digging up tubers, fishing, smoking porcupines out of holes, cooking, caring for infants, climbing trees, building vine ladders, building huts, using knives and other tools, making tools, carrying heavy loads, building rafts, making fires, defending against attacks from predators, imitating animals (a means of identifying animals and learning their habits), making music, dancing, storytelling, and arguing were all mentioned by one or more respondents. The specific lists varied from culture to culture, in accordance with differences in the skills that were exemplified by adults in each culture. All of the respondents said that boys in the culture they studied engaged in a great deal of playful hunting. The two respondents who studied the Agta—a culture in which women as well as men regularly hunt—noted that girls as well as boys, in that culture, engaged in much playful hunting.
Apparently, when children are free to do what they want, they spend much of their time playing at the very activities that they see, from direct experience, are most crucial for success in their culture. Their conscious motive is fun, not education. It is exciting for children, everywhere, to pretend that they are powerful, competent adults, doing beautifully and skillfully what they see the adults around them doing. From an evolutionary perspective, it is no coincidence that children are constructed in such a way.
Equally important to learning how to hunt and gather, for hunter-gather children, is learning how to interact with others assertively yet peacefully. In their play, children practice arguing. Turnbull has described how older Mbuti children (age 9 and up) playfully rehash and try to improve upon the arguments that they have heard among adults.
In a “primitive” or natural society, childrens’ play is an effortless rendition of adult activity. Over their crucial years of cognitive development, children slowly become adults through stress-free exploration and imitation. The playfulness guides them toward skill acquisition, not unlike a fun video game. In the absence of superstimuli, there is no better way to “play”, so boredom promotes the learning behavior effortlessly. This has the inherent benefit of acting as “shaping” (in a psychological sense) because the skill that is learned is never beyond one’s capacity, is imitated through one’s father, and with the older children who act as mentors (“the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise”).
Their original arrangement was paradisal. Just from a psychological standpoint. It is the optimal way for a child to learn. When StarLink was introduced, the paradisal order was disrupted — innocent children have consumed Apple in the prelapsarian garden, so to speak. There is no turning back; they will likely look at their loincloths and feel shame at their nakedness. But I do wonder then, what about us developed people? Are we doomed to fall further and further from grace, our children forever destined to the cognitive hazards of superstimuli? Is there no way out, no rope we can grab to lift us back to grace?
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Anecdota on Von Neumann I find interesting, pulled from different sites
Equally, von Neumann had no interest in sport and, barring long walks (always in a business suit), he would avoid any form of vigorous physical exercise for the rest of his life. When his second wife, Klari, tried to persuade him to ski, he offered her a divorce. ‘If being married to a woman, no matter who she was, would mean he had to slide around on two pieces of wood on some slick mountainside,’ she explained, ‘he would definitely prefer to live alone and take his daily exercise, as he put it, “by getting in and out of a pleasantly warm bathtub.”
It is interesting that the smartest man who ever lived did not engage in any physical exercise short of walking.
he claimed he had low sales resistance, and so would have his wife come clothes shopping with him
He was not a skilled poker player
Did his genius come at the expense of social awareness? Maybe. I find the idea of zero sum cognition utterly fascinating.
He famously always wore a grey oxford 3 piece suit, including when playing tennis with Stanislaw Ulam, or when riding a donkey down the Grand Canyon
I felt that he was sometimes somewhat peculiar that he would be impressed by government officials or generals and so on. If a big uniform appeared that made more of an impression than it should have. It was odd.
Parties and nightlife held a special appeal for von Neumann. While teaching in Germany, von Neumann had been a denizen of the Cabaret-era Berlin nightlife circuit.”
I recall a Greek(?) myth about a demigod(?) who lived an idyllic life of hunting all day and then enjoying a meal from his hunt in the evening. Anyone know what it could be?
Also, does anyone have a favorite myth regarding a paradisal or ideal state for humans?
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