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2yr ago
To go back to the very first point of discussion, why do you believe it is correct to say that “slaves built the South”, versus “Slavs built the Ottoman Empire”?
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2yr ago
Caribbean islands also had a much higher mortality rate due to disease, no? https://www.virgin-islands-history.org/en/history/slavery/illness-and-death-among-the-enslaved/
Even in the Caribbean, the idea that it would be more cost efficient to work a slave to death and replace him with a new one is probably erroneous, because there are training costs associated with the work, and a young slave who is trained to perform a particular task will have increased productivity in his 20s when kept alive.
Plantation owners would also be responsible for providing room/board/food in the form of pay. The crucial difference between a slave and a citizen is that a citizen has bargaining power, and a slave does not. A plantation owner can provide the bare minimum. Unless you believe that the conditions of a slave were greater than the conditions that a citizen would expect as adequate compensation for his labor.
Slaves were indeed replaced by immigrants in the economy in the North.
You just seem to be throwing out half-sensed ideas hoping one would stick… but surely you know such things as “slaves did not have bargaining power” and “the West Indies had unique disease”. Remember that the argument is “were slaves some crucial ingredient without which America would not be built”, or a topic similar to this — whether we should say slaves built America, when we clearly do not say the same about Irish slaves in Tunisia or Russian slaves in the Ottoman Empire. I’m arguing that they were used because of their cheapness, because any reasonable employer would choose the cheapest option. What is your argument exactly against this?
If the argument is that they labored, then don’t make a video shouting fervently that they built America. They built America like Slavic people built the Ottoman Empire, the Canaanites built the Temple Mount, and Irish people built modern day Tunisia.
That the slave population grew from a high birth rate does not indicate in any fashion that their labor wasn’t disposable, only that reproduction is cheaper than sailing to Africa. This is not surprising.
The expenses of a slave are not in their upfront cost but in their cost to employ, which was significantly less expensive than those who could compete in the marketplace and demand higher wages. Some were seen as an investment as their children would be slaves as well.
Few of those immigrants migrated to the South because a very interesting thing occurred post-Civil War called industrialization, which changed the American economy considerably. Additionally, the end of slavery did not entail the end of black people laboring in fields for little pay.
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2yr ago
It is not even correct to say it about the South, regardless of the North. Slaves were mostly (but not entirely) disposable labor who were brought over because they were inexpensive to purchase and had a +10 racial stat for heat resistance useful for the hot Southern summers. While it is true that intelligent slaves were often tasked with sophisticated skilled labor, and sometimes rose to great heights and were superior to white competitors, the cohort as a whole were brought over specifically to fulfill the most unskilled labor possible. They definitionally did not build anything, and in the absence of slavery they would have been replaced (and were indeed replaced) with poor European immigrants and Chinese workers.
(Today, globalism has replaced the exploitation of American slaves — by this I mean that we can outsource our exploitation to the poor African cobalt and lithium miners whose quality of life is worse than a mid-19th century slave in America. And we outsource our clothing to factories of questionable living standards and who even knows where China gets some of its materials. We pat ourselves on the back for our moral triumph, while we praise Apple execs for building the iPhone, before tweeting to the ancestors of the downtrodden white middle class that they built nothing and belong nowhere.)
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2yr ago
Let’s see. I’m going to break down what conservative users may agree on first:
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There exists vanity and distraction that captures the time and care of a lot of people in the West, and which has downstream consequences
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There is a way to live morally, which involves attending to what is good, thinking rationally, and sacrificing bad habits
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There are truths agreed upon by both science and major religions: the importance of close social contact, the importance of a healthy family, lowering unnecessary social stress by participating in communal experiences and rituals, living in alignment with the evolutionary grain (“what God intended”)
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While historically, art worked toward a moralizing purpose to promote guideline behaviors for a community in the form of music-dramas (operas, before that “moral plays”, after that television and lyrical albums), art (especially painting and architecture), stories (myths and sermons, then literature, now shitposts on your favorite forum and empowered female authors), today art has been severed from any moralizing purpose. Similarly, communal organizations as a whole have been severed from a moralizing purpose.
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Society is in desperate need of moral structures, which are not necessarily religious, but which entail many things found in religion (Freemasonry was excellent at inspiring men and yet lacked much of what is identifiable in modern religion)
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The wealthy who waste their money on vanity should be shamed and ostracized so as to incentivize them to spend wisely (fine, maybe this one is just me)…
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Mating games control much of human behavior, and have decreased in their ability to promote prosocial and healthy behaviors in men and women, and thus ought to be revised
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Men largely devote themselves to either what is evolutionarily satisfying or what is socially reinforced. Thus, society should go back to making what is good both evolutionarily enjoyable and socially reinforced.
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The idea of God, as an object that one attends to in mind and body, which represents the highest quality of all of our experiences which are placed as his attributes, who is understood socially and mythically which is most evolutionarily efficient, is vastly underrated. If we are intent on beating a dead god, we need to find a viable alternative lest He resurrect Himself.
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Society is in need of something similar to a priest class, whose interest is in finding the truth about everything from health to political policy to morality, but who (significantly) do not have faulty incentives, and actually are incentivized to tell the truth, and don’t just do because its their job but because of a sincere emotionally-felt obligation
If we have a rough draft of “things we ought to come together to secure and then promote”, then all that is left is doing that, then determining the correct way to promote it (everyone uses propaganda today, even YouTubers). The “individual vision” is simply the media created which narrativizes the ethos to the individual level.
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2yr ago
It’s the phrase of choice for the topic at hand, having been used by the NYT and hospitality organizations since the 90s, and hundreds of other journals.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8UVca16Fao although I came across it on Instagram.
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2yr ago
Don’t know about that, but I think televisions should be much further down on a wall than where people place them. The human gaze naturally looks down and it’s better for your eyes to look down at a tv as less of your eye is exposed to blue light.
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2yr ago
Does anyone know of a good write-up on the “Patel motel cartel”? I saw a Charles Munger clip where he says they don’t pay income tax; are they taking advantage of loopholes or doing light cash business fraud?
These criticisms can apply to virtually every community. Every single community that has both young men and women in it, and which doesn’t cling to the values of young marriage and gender separation, will have these issues. They’re found in every music and art scene, every socialist community, every college house party, Hollywood and so on. Hit pieces like these are just a way for the powerful to selectively come down on whichever community they want to destroy. And if you form a community which actually has structure in the way of preventing these problems, like Mike Pence and his evangelicalism, they’ll write a hit piece about you, too!
The proper response is to start interviewing Time Magazine employees, and cataloguing how many more of them are doing much worse — probably with cocaine rather than psychedelics.
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2yr ago
Fun article on how the Taliban feel about moving into Kabul since the end of the war
There is another thing I dislike and that’s how restricted our lives are now, unlike anything we experienced before. The Taleban used to be free of restrictions, but now we sit in one place, behind a desk and a computer 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Life’s become so wearisome; you do the same things every day. Being away from the family has only doubled the problem.
I’ve made friends with three guys who are from our province but have been living here [in Kabul] for more than 15 years. We sometimes go to Qargha, Bagh-e Wahsh [Kabul Zoo], Sarobi and Tapa-ye Wazir Akbar Khan. To be honest, every time I go with them, they pressure me to play and listen to music in the car. At first, I was resisting, but now I have given in, with the one condition that they turn it off when passing through security checkpoints because many other Taleban don’t like it, and it’s bad for a Taleb to be seen listening to it.
Although my new friends are from good families and are good lads, there are a lot of bad circles of youths in Kabul who smoke, use drugs and do bad things, so it’s hard for us to become friends with them. Our nature and values differ, and therefore most of our friends don’t make many friends in Kabul because we don’t fit in with them. Despite this, some Taleban have now become friends with such youths and are inclined to do many bad things, such as going hookah cafes [qilun khana].
In those first days, when we sometimes came out of the ministry to Macroyan bazaar, there were a lot of women wearing indecent clothes. We anticipated they would wear hijab,[7] but after the initial days when women feared the mujahedin a lot, their attire has actually become less proper.
Now, they’ve become assertive to the extent they’re entirely heedless of us. Many of our friends say that, apart from us coming and replacing the police and officials of the former regime, little has changed from the Republic’s time in Kabul. During the first few days, many of my comrades and I hardly dared to make our way to the bazaar because of them [women]. We hoped the situation would soon get better, but it didn’t. Even worse, one of my classmates in his computer course is also a woman. We sit in the same classroom. Although I despise women that don’t wear proper clothes, nonetheless, I can’t turn my back on the bazaar or my class because of them. If they’re unashamed, let us also be so. This is the only thing I never imagined a Taleb would encounter in his lifetime.
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2yr ago
The kinds of exercise humans evolved to do were long walks or jogs as a group to obtain a reward. The Hunter gatherer tribes still existent would walk to follow herds, and there are some that jog out to tire an animal (humans are the best at endurance jogging, not sprinting). You then have the exercise of chopping wood or obtaining dwelling materials.
Modern strenuous exercise attempts to be cost efficient but humans didn’t quite evolve for “sprinting for no reason” or “repeatedly lifting up extremely heavy thing while laying down”. When you take a fat American and you place him in a European city where he has to walk 30 minutes to obtain the buffalo meat cappuccino, this is generally considered relaxing and is why a lot of people are promoting walkable cities. There are studies on this. Importantly, humans evolved to not exercise when there is no salient appetizing reward.
Human males often evolved to fight, I suppose. I think men would be a lot more relaxed if they got to punch their boss.
But I’m at a loss why you think humans evolved to do difficult intellectual work. That’s the one thing we do that we are least evolved to do, and so it requires tremendous social incentive, decades of training, and the decidedly non-evolutionary skill of reading to accomplish. We did evolve to learn complex physical skills through imitating older members of the community, but that is much different.
Childhood mortality and mortality in childbirth are stressful events, naturally, and every animal species deals with the death of children. That does not turn the entire enterprise into stress. A death during early years is stressful for the mother after it occurs, but this does not mean that all of motherhood and all of its tasks and labor spent are stressful. Women miscarried and their children died young, but this was normal during that period, and it’s not as if they didn’t social bonds to help them through the emotional pain.
The vast increases in housework efficiency by microwaves, refrigerators, vacuums, laundry machines and dishwashers thereby giving you more time for your children
… Are you kidding? The key difference is the 9-5 work week that most women are forced by conditions to deal with; the lack of training in motherhood; insufficient time spent with child and breastfeeding. That was the whole post. Mothers do not spend more time with their children in America today. Especially when you consider that “time” is not “experience salience”; the importance hours are during high alertness, not making them dinner after they’re exhausted from daycare/school.
I don’t see how you can realistically just handwave away six children in a row dying of scarlet fever as less stressful than the present
Sure I can. How about three children in a row being infanticided by their mother? How about women not even trying to have children because they find it too stressful? How about the increase in childhood obesity and autism which are associated with stressed mothers, or BPD increases associated with poor mother-child bond?
You’re right that moderate exercise is something humans evolved to do, which is why it shown to be healthy in a number of ways and protective of stress.
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2yr ago
1: Correct practice. I know that learning something or implementing a lifestyle change should be done roughly one at a time, and that the practice should be separated over days across weeks, with variable inputs. Do I do this, with anything? No.
2: I’m going to say it anyway: vegetables — I have kale in my refrigerator right now, but when I look at it I become unhappy and do not eat it.
3: Proper repentance / development of disgust for sins. I have some personal theories on optimal repentance involving cues and associations and boredom to develop a disgust for sins, but I don’t do them.
4: Sitting down and actually writing something worthwhile. I have the topics, I know better phraseology, I know intellectually that there are much better forms of piece development for maximum clarity and enjoyment. I only did this like once.
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2yr ago
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2yr ago
Medicating your child, giving him formula and an iPad, and sending him off to the BPD factory daycare has never been easier. But that’s not motherhood. That’s the industrial baby factory that the industrialized women of America can sense is their destiny (but hysterically impugn on the traditional mode of life, often in the traditional costume of the handmaid’s tale). The actual act of motherhood and meeting the needs of babies has never been harder. The depletion of oxytocin from insufficient mother-baby bosom contact and the eradication of mother-born bonds in the high alertness circadian rhythm hours are what leads to PPD and PPP (and BPD in the baby) and are exactly why these women commit infanticide, like a baboon in the wild doing the same when facing predation and lack of food or facing “male immigrant” stressor knowing that the new authority will slay their children like Herod (and unable to flee to the older tradition encoded in the flight to Egypt)
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2yr ago
Of course. Women today are stressed because they have to work stressful jobs in addition to being mothers, in addition to being informed citizens. But it’s not busyness per se, it’s disparate tasks, non-mastered tasks, and ennui. The Amish fill up their day with busyness in excess of the girlboss cohort, and yet they have limited stress. This is because many of their tasks fit the Csikzentmihalyi model of optimal flow (among other reasons)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1049386707000369
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2yr ago
It’s easy to be confused about the etiology of stress. Wet nursing is not a stressful occupation. Generally speaking, when humans are doing tasks that they evolved to do, the task isn’t mentally taxing. (There was a study last month about how loggers have high life satisfaction, one of the highest of any profession. This is weird until you realize, “wait, men were designed to cut out trees and be in forests, of course they do.) A young woman who previously had a child nursing a child is possibly the least stressful task a person can do. Wet nursing was a regulated and solid profession for these women. Some of the oldest contracts we have are Babylonian contracts specifying nursing protocol for wet nurses. Remember that some women are born with what we moderns call humongous mommy milkers, and that breastfeeding significantly reduces their risk of breast cancer. Someone like Abigail Shapiro was designed by God to nurse babies, not to be an eh opera singer, and because she didn’t nurse babies she had to cut her boobas off (which is a crime against God). Women are literally designed to be around babies and there are a number of studies showing extensive health benefits for woman-child contact. Of course, when you raise every girl from 6-21 in a sterile classroom and tell them they should be a girlboss, maybe it’s stressful for them.
Spinning is a flow state activity. Not only is it not stressful, it is the very antagonist of stress. Cooking and cleaning are not stressful when you were raised to do this at 6 and mastered it at 10. Plug in “cleaning inspo” to YouTube and behold a bountiful gender imbalance. Then check out the gender ratio of whoever watches the great British bake-off.
But yeah, hired help would certainly have stressful lives. They were the bottom rung of society. Today we just feed them GMO slop and over-medicate them and whatever.
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2yr ago
Intrusive thoughts that happen without accompanied desire (and which are feared) are unrelated to acting out the thoughts. There are studies on exposure therapy where a father who had intrusive thoughts about strangling his child was specifically told to let the intrusive thoughts occur while holding child’s neck. The crucial ingredient is intrusive urges which are its own thing.
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2yr ago
Sadly the CIA does not publish what they do, so our best guess is to extrapolate from past actions. The CIA doesn’t even tell congressional oversight members what they do, despite that being illegal. Multiple CIA directors have simply lied to their congressional overseers. The intelligence services are so omnipotent that they have a backdoor in all of our devices and we only learned about this from whistleblowers. This should clue us in to their power and range of activity. It would be foolish to think that, despite knowing their breadth of activity from the 50s to the 80s, and despite knowing they have grown in power and funding since then, that we ought to conclude they are not involved in social movements simply because we lack evidence. Because no, we will never have evidence. Journalists who seek to obtain such evidence are spied on.
So first, the CIA boost of modern art is widely agreed upon. Plug those terms into google scholar and you should be able to find that. You can read articles written by MOMA and Guggenheim talking about this.
But cui bono? I think two things. It completely neuters the left from doing anything but lobbying for diversity. The left can’t even accomplish unionizing anymore. Literally 100 million hours of leftist cognitive labor have been spent on questions related to gender and sex. Second, the diversity acts as a justification for America to become de facto world power. There were intelligence briefings leaked about this: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1429188218424078338
The second reason is important, because the CIA needs to motivate its own recruits to fulfill its mission. Intelligence agency recruits come from Ivys and many of them truly believe in IdPol, so casting America as the globohomo superpower is necessary to capture and retain intelligent employees.
Consider that our involvement in Syria was hardly as criticized as in Afghanistan, because by then “Assad” began coding anti-IdPol. Finally, our involvement in Ukraine is beloved by the Left, because Russia firmly codes anti-IdPol. Russia is anti-gay, anti-democracy, etc.
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2yr ago
Anyone else fascinated by saffron and ginger for purposes of health?
Ginger has wild effects on serotonin. Scientists gave alcoholic mice a ginger extract and it ameliorated the reduction of brain serotonin induced by alcohol. Saffron on the other hand is nature’s Ritalin, has been domesticated for 4000+ years, and at 30mg is as successful as the leading ADHD medication in children while being neuroprotective!
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2yr ago
I don’t think this woman deserves sympathy, but motherhood today is very stressful. Before feminism, motherhood was considered an important job and girls were raised at a young age to master the skill. Hence, girls were given dolls young so they could model the way their mother raised them at a young age, and so they would learn to multitask activities (mothers would gently reprimand their daughters if the doll was misplaced while eg cooking). Girls would spend time with women and mothers to learn from them and the separate spheres of male/female interest ensured that women didn’t have men’s stressors. Female culture and its emphasis on “nurturing feelings” like making a scarf for a loved one or beautifying a home was simply a way to prepare the mind for the bond required to raise a healthy child. A girl by the age of 14 would probably have mastered all of the domestic tasks she would be using at 24 as a wife. And so the tasks involved with motherhood would be mastered, which means their stress would be minimized. Women by and large did not have stressful work in addition to duties of mother/wife, or if they did, they would have wet nurses and hired help. Once a woman had a child, family would usually come to minimize the stress at the home. Women would also be around their child much more, forming a bond, because exclusive breastfeeding was common for 1-2 years and then intermittently reduced over 4.
We have essentially raised generations of women who are untrained in being a mother. It shouldn’t be surprising that PPP and PPD are high and that women feel overwhelmed. Motherhood is more like a musical instrument than a college course, you simply cannot learn it by studying from a book for a year at 25 or something. When you see a girl raised by a traditional family and especially if she had many younger children (having to act as a mother to them) her entire nature is different, you can literally feel the the nurturing soul.
For that to be the case, groping a woman has to be morally identical to watching AI porn, which is certainly not the case. A man can be compelled from an insult to throw water at someone, and a sufficiently strong insult would compel most men to do this, but that doesn’t mean that most men would stab the insult-giver. In regards to AI porn, viewing it once comprises an iota of the full moral harm which is still less than groping a woman. Our willpower makes some calculation for moral harm especially when the victimhood is salient, but you’re comparing taking five minutes extra on a lunch break to committing embezzlement here. They may belong to the same category of action but not the same category of moral harm.
Atrioc’s sin which would otherwise be negligible (admitting to watching AI porn around a table of male peers would get laughs, not derision) but was amplified because he accidentally made it a frontpage topic and he was friends with the victims. But Atrioc’s error was the accidental publicity. Had he not accidentally shown the tab, the moral harm would be mild because the victims wouldn’t have found out. He would just be one of the 10,000 people who have shared blame in watching the content, but this is mitigated by things like plausible moral deniabilit etc
As for willpower x sexual desire discussions, I actually do think the young male sex drive will lead to groping in cases of inebriated collegiate hookups, but that’s a discussion involving complicated elements. Putting 17-22 year olds together with alcohol and potent music is a horrible idea that will lead men to non-consensual grope, provided the man has a strong enough sex drive and the woman’s interest is ambiguous. That’s why all of history had proscriptions against this.
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2yr ago
For the celebrity women depicted in the AI porn, the fact that they are celebrities amplified their distress. They are used to seeing images and videos of themselves publicized and remembering the context of when they were taken, and then they see a highly accurate AI version of themselves in a sex scene. This can cause psychological harm in a person — humans are not designed to see something like that, I don’t think it computes properly in the brain. An AI scene of being sexually victimized (in essence, arguably) is fundamentally different than making a photoshop with a person’s face due to the sheer realism.
It’s also probable that there is harm when someone faps to the AI video versus to an instagram image, because it’s like a part of the mind would think the AI video really happened. That’s how realistic AI porn may be or can be in the future. So knowing that someone you know, that part of his mind remembers the scene when he thinks about you, is truly disgusting.
With that said, I’m not even sure if Atrioc (the streamer who was caught watching the video) actually did anything immoral here, as opposed to massively unfortunate. We know he paid for an AI porn membership, but not that he specifically paid for the creation of his colleagues’ AI generation in porn. You can imagine that a man on a porn site will see “woman I have crush on in AI porn” and essentially be compelled to click on the topic link. The ease with which men can watch porn and click on links reduces his moral culpability because men are simply not evolved to exercise such willpower. If you put most men in his situation, would they click? When they are in a hyper-aroused hypnotic state, and all day every day they click links by whim, and they know that no one would know he looked at the streamer’s AI video? I pretty much think every young man who is aroused would do the same, so this negates the immorality of his action.
But slaves were not responsible for the organizational knowledge, the knowledge of trade, the knowledge of agriculture, the necessary systems of rule of law and justice, or the literacy and exportation and sailing technology, all of which were necessary for southern plantations to be effective. What are you basing % slave labor on and do you have a citation which factors for these things?
If you hire Bob to build a mansion, and Bob hires Fred to carry the beams to and fro, Bob built your house and Fred participated in some minor way to Bob’s ultimate vision and skill.
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