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				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There have been dietary interventions with controls that have shown mood increase from reducing refined carbs. Here’s one: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0222768


https://gut.bmj.com/content/69/7/1218.abstract


Even after just 10 days: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666310006963




people keep a stable level of sugar consumption over long periods of time




I dispute this given the age-related increases in obesity that are higher in sugar-filled diers


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You believe that there are athletes who would not exercise without sugar? And that this loss in health among people who exercise is greater than the loss of health  from people who are addicted to sugar?


We do not need a source for common sense thinking, and it is disingenuous to demand a source for something that obviously cannot have one. There is nothing wrong with reasoning on your own, from evidence that a reasonable person can agree on. We do this all the time.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There is no evidence that unhealthy food increases life satisfaction apart from its craving->satisfaction downward spiral feedback loop. Those who quit sugar often find themselves having no cravings after a couple months. No study suggests that sugar consumption is important for life satisfaction, but many studies suggest that health is important for life satisfaction. On your deathbed you will not wish you ate more cake, unless you are hungry, and then when you have the cake you will surely wish you had less cake, because the dissipation of the craving will allow you to see clearly how worthless it is. Also, there is no positive correlation between sugar intake and life satisfaction either on an individual level or a society level. There is instead a strong negative association between sugar consumption and levels of life satisfaction.


If you want to increase sum total happiness, banning sugar should be as obvious as banning heroin.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It wasn’t quite ignored. There was a lot of uproar about it, but the US blew their load of sanctions a couple years earlier with the Magnitsky Act. The West was probably quite happy with the Russia-backed candidate being couped.


I still remember in 2014 reading that the Broadcasting Board of Governors polling showed majority support for joining Russia in Crimea (after the coup). Some journalists years later got in trouble for bringing this up.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Why would you expect there to be a pre established source for such a comparison? Luckily for us we can reason without sources.


Sugar is not making the difference between an athlete improving their health or not. Sugar is for performance gain among vigorous exercisers. If they did not have sugar, their health would not reduce significantly, although their transient performance might. Sugar has led to obesity, though, which is 100,000 times worse for health averaging out across the population than the performance gains of sugar in exercisers. Eg, if you take out sugar, obesity will decrease, but exercisers won’t take anything approaching a hit that would cancel out the decrease in obesity


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Can you think of >0 ways in which participation in an online forum has more benefit in one’s life than sugar? If not, it would definitely be better to stop participating in them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Poor health costs trillions, not the consumption of sugar. I do not know who believes a sugar tax would solve all of obesity, that seems as unlikely as it solving all literacy issues.


I think a sugar tax would make a dent in the problem by (1) taking the money going to companies that sell harmful foods and using it for the costs associated with the foods, which disincentivizes the sale of healthy items and incentivizes intelligent people to work in a prosocial industry, (2) reducing the number of unhealthy food items purchased by citizens.


Coca Colas profits are 22bil yearly, so they have the funds to give back to society what they take out. If they want to sell things that cost society, they should pay for that cost.


Coca Cola is in the service of GDP. I hate the GDP metric. The difference between sugar and fun activities is that no significant margin of people looking back at their life would ever consider sugar consumption a good lifestyle choice. Fun you can argue is why we live, it is prosocial and even has health benefits and is, well, fun. Sugar transiently satisfies the dumb animal part of humans and in exchange leaves one less likely to experience future fun. So the difference between “fun things” and “bad pleasant things” is stark. We want more fun! Healthy humans with more resources = more fun. Unhealthy humans hooked on superstimuli sugars manufactured by food scientists to hook them is not very fun at all. It is just poison.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The loicense would be for non-taxed simple sugars for athletes


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


We're not seeing infertility due to poor health




We sure are.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1701216318303694


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reproductive-problems-in-both-men-and-women-are-rising-at-an-alarming-rate/?amp=true




And no, we don't see that our health is "ever worsening with no end in sight".




We sure do, see OP post.




And now your "harm tax" is itself causing harm of the same sort it purports to prevent




This is genuinely nonsensical. An endurance athlete not having access to simple sugars might reduce performance, but the magnitude of the harm of sugar is, man, something like 100,000x the benefit it gives to endurance athletes (who are already healthy). You can be perfectly healthy without access to simple sugars, but obviously access to simple sugars is making many people grossly unhealthy.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Wellness Wednesday for October 12, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Just teeth enamel harm afaik, as it is acidic


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It is demonstrated (certainly) that our health is ever-worsening with no end in sight. This, plus the  fertility consequences of poor health,  predicts future annihilation.




A carb drink for an athlete has to contain "fast carbs", simple sugars




It has unique benefits to the athlete, but we do not base the legality of things on what benefits an athlete. Complex carbohydrates are useful for athletes, and athletes can just deal with not having access to simple sugars not in the form of fruit.




X should be legal for Y therefore we can not make it illegal for non-Y




There are many medications and so on that are limited to certain groups of individuals. This is just not a strong criticism.




These are not viable workarounds




Why are they viable in so many contexts today, whether we’re talking about special allergy medications or special ADHD medicine?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Where I live (New Jersey) the autism rate is already 1/32 and rising. I think we may deal with more pollutants than other states.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
An “authoritarian” solution by better than no solution, especially when your absence of a solution is annihilation of the population.


I am sure if we can go to the moon that we can establish a useful “harm tax” which, given the usual complexity of tax law, would never be fully justifiable on a web forum. But I’m not at all persuaded by your criticism.


First, one one carb drink is identical to all carb drinks. Carb drinks do not necessarily have to contain HFCS or simple sugars.


Second, there are a number of viable workarounds that can be implemented such as doctor’s permission or write-offs for healthy people.


Do you have another criticism? A trillion dollar problem can have a 20 billion dollar solution and be well worthwhile.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
How bad can America’s health actually get? And what shall we do?


All kinds of ill health are steadily increasing, from age-adjusted obesity to autism and depression. Anxiety in young adults nearly doubled in the decade pre-pandemic. Type 1 and type 2 diabetes has risen dramatically. Deaths of despair have also risen. There seems to be no actionable plan, ready for implementation, to halt the rising tide of ill health. The numbers are steadily increasing adjusted for age, with some numbers rising faster in the young than in the old.


I find the willpower discussions to be missing the point. Unless there is a plan that we can implement in schools to significantly increase or teach willpower, then it hardly matters whether the will is relevant. The diseased from poor choices and the diseased from poor environment equally hurt the security of the nation, costing trillions from decreased productivity, decreased fertility, and healthcare expenditure. It is curious how much discourse in America is spent quibbling on issues that are so much less important than the health question. Health is something that directly impacts every aspect of the country, not the least of which is the plain happiness and fertility of citizens.


What I would like to see is a harm tax put in place that adds onto every unhealthy item the cost per item of its societal harm: the projected healthcare costs, the loss from intelligent citizens working for corporations that poison us, the projected loss of productivity. Now, this will always be an estimate, but so are many taxes. I think this would largely make sodas prohibitively expensive.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Wellness Wednesday for October 12, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Placing things for accessibility, whether vitamins or a laundry bin or cut veggies or a notebook or etc, has always worked well for me.


I bought straws for my coffee (which I have room temperature) and place them near my mug to minimize future oral complications from daily black coffee.


I always make sure my room is dark and cold before sleeping.


Made a makeshift white noise machine with a box fan and a towel.


A smoothie maker is cheap and useful.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Not sure, but the Gov is big on secret programs of course


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
And because this thread is for dumb questions: did the US government promote fluoride in order to “domesticate” the population, ie reducing the human version of mouse exploration?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
All the mice models on fluoridated water (in amounts comparable to artificially fluoridated drinking water) show negative behavioral results


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0045653518319258


https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C31&q=fluoride+animal+behavior&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1665431458606&u=%23p%3DuJB1SuQhg9cJ


https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C31&q=fluoride+mice&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1665431688159&u=%23p%3DEEsRfJ6wwu4J


In particular the effects seem to increase anxiety and depression, and reduce exploration.


Is this not highly significant when (1) all the fluoride human studies focus on IQ, not behavior, (2) it is absurdly easily to use more than the recommended amount of toothpaste? see


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It is interesting Scruton calls the classics irrelevant information. I would call something like trivia and the accumulation of facts irrelevant, and I’d say the classics are filled with potentially relevant stories and solutions, and the learning of Ancient languages as taught created analytic and organized minds.


Our history today is largely filled with irrelevance, as there is no future applicability for knowing precise dates, names, and figures. The trivialization of learning is bad for brain snd soul and I think Jeopardy is the worst possible pastime. The Ancient  histories contain inaccurate figures (60,000 perished… no, 100,000!), but the importance lies in the human stories and connections and the emphasis on faults and learning from human error. Great Man -styled history is nothing other than maximizing the utility of a history lesson for individual humans. Save the trivia for specialized excel workers, our leaders deserve Great Man theory!


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I think it’s good, although I find cw boring lately just because it seems like a solved problem, ie there are X problems and Y solutions.


The forum would be better with more low effort content, so a high effort and a low effort thread. Annoying to have to write three paragraphs instead of a link with a title to generate discussion.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Will tug of war encourage a puppy’s teething/biting? Fam got a Great Pyrenees and she’s smart, after a week she’s learned sit/stay/come/fetch/shake. But the biting seems difficult to eradicate. Our plan is to stop playing with her when she bites but I wonder if tug of war encourages the behavior?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 3, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
We have studies on the IQ of native Americans, mestizos, indigenous Mexicans, and so on. By all accounts they are lower than the median iq in America. IQ isn’t everything, but successful countries all have high IQs and when countries become inundated with low iq citizens (South Africa) it makes pretty much everything worse off.


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15688574/


https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/9/pdf


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 3, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Does anyone have predictions on how this country will look when half of its citizens have a standard deviation lower IQ on average?


Let me rephrase this. Is there any way this won’t be a catastrophe which, in 500 years, people will look back on as a lesson in how nations fail? There’s no possible way that tens of millions of lower IQ people added to a nation is good for the nation, right?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 3, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There’s an obvious difference between hundreds of years of legal philosophy culminating in the constitution, and the implementation of a tax program by congress


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 3, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
No, because law and custom allows us to freely exclude foreigners, but does not allow us to deport citizens. This has to do the rights of citizens in Anglo tradition. Non-citizens do not have such a right.